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[Lothars]

So both Sony and Microsoft launch with $60 controllers.

Nintendo brings out a controller that not only includes more advanced motion tech, but also has HD Rumble, and NFC, in addition to a battery that absolutely spanks the shit out of the DualShock and is 10 hours longer than the XBO controller, but it's an unjustifiable extreme price to have it launch at $10 more than they did?

Ok.

Hey you can hype up all these features and say they make the controller worth it? I don't see it. Like I said when it's 15-30 dollars more the DS4 and Xbox One at regular price not talking about sales than nothing about it screams it's worth the price.

Yeah, but we're definitely no strangers to insane prices for electronic goods for no justifiable reason.

That's true doesn't excuse any of the companies doing it.

 

[MoonFrog]

Nintendo has always made better controllers than Sony though?


Don't get me started on the PS4 controller.

My L2 button stopped working shortly after I bought it this past holiday. It would sometimes come back and then stop working again; I got really confused because I swore I could remember hitting the breaks when Ignis was driving once, but could never seem to do it again . Then I played Bloodborne and I couldn't shoot. Thing lasted maybe 2 weeks, although maybe not even that. Don't think TLG or DQB used the L2 button much.

Now I'm having similar concerns about the right analog stick on the replacement controller . Not sure if I'm only allowed to do first person in Yakuza 0 in very certain cricumstances or if I'm supposed to always be able to do it...

But yeah, Nintendo definitely gets knocked in the price department for brand name and reputation alone a lot.

Hey you can hype up all these features and say they make the controller worth it? I don't see it. Like I said when it's 15-30 dollars more the DS4 and Xbox One at regular price not talking about sales than nothing about it screams it's worth the price.

I don't know why you would be comparing sales of a product currently on the market to the MSRP of newly launched device when the conversation is about being overpriced for what is in the controller.

 

[Night Angel]

By saying that importance is subjective the person I was quoting is implying that one thing is not more important than the other at a base level.

No, they were saying people have different priorities, which is absolutely a fact.

To some, the lack of those features may be equally important.

As long as that person isn't trying to shut down discussion of other issues, I don't see a problem.

 

[VanWinkle]

A web browser isnt more important to a video game system compared to the controller not working.

Anyone who thinks they're of equal importance shouldn't even be listened to.

I 100% didn't say what's MORE important is subjective. I said the concept of a "real issue" is subjective. Quit reading into things that aren't being said.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

So I was watching through the NintendoLife UI video. At one point Alex (I think that's his name?) is going through the settings and there is an option to disable auto-sleep while playing media content.

Surely this means media apps are coming post launch? Apologies if this has already been discussed.

It has been discussed.

 

[BlastProcessing]

This is the timestamp where I show my weird L Joy-Con issues. It's not desynced per-se, but sometimes (rarely) I do experience input lag or sometimes no recognition of movement at all

https://youtu.be/O6w536jv1g8?t=1005

It reminds me of what would happen with my PS3 Sixaxis which was by far the most annoying thing about that system for me. This seems even more frequent, though. Not good.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

Eeeeeh
Xbox One launch was completely botched since their E3 announcements, far worse than most console launch I remember. Even them recognized that : http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...re-Avoidable-Former-Xbox-Boss-Says-83947.html
PS4 had that famous Blue Light issue, which bricked a lot of consoles. It wasn't a widespread issue but still a present and troublesome one :
http://blog.lnsresearch.com/blog/bi...esson-to-Learn-from-Sony-s-PS4-Launch-Mishaps

Not to say that it's an excuse for the Switch to not launch with features, but people should expect that buying a console at launch means not having everything fine since the start.

Not to mention both consoles had a lot of missing features that their previous hardware had. It took forever for the PS4 to get friend notifications and the xbox one had a slew of issues once they rolled back their 24 hour license check in.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

But during manufacturing would all units with the same serial code be produced in the same "batch?"

I'm not sure what you mean?

 

[Little Mons†er]

Good impressions overall!

Bring on 3rd March

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

And the thing that's preventing Amazon or another retailer from taking 15% off the price of a Pro Controller in the future is...

nothing obviously, so I'll wait. By that time Mario and other titles should be out also

 

[Night Angel]

Not to mention both consoles had a lot of missing features that their previous hardware had. It took forever for the PS4 to get friend notifications and the xbox one had a slew of issues once they rolled back their 24 hour license check in.

Those consoles being called out for lacking those "minor" features should really highlight the lack of features of this launch.

 

[Fess]

This is exactly my experience, except with changing rooms. Link will either keep running, or just wont respond at all, or respond like 5 seconds after the input is put in.

Do you mean that the problem appears if you walk away with the console into another room? Or are you walking away from the console with the joycons detached into another room?
If it's the later it sounds like the Bluetooth connection cuts when you're too far away from the console. I have that problem with my Bluetooth headphones.

 

[BRocknRolla]

So I was watching through the NintendoLife UI video. At one point Alex (I think that's his name?) is going through the settings and there is an option to disable auto-sleep while playing media content.

Surely this means media apps are coming post launch? Apologies if this has already been discussed.

I think that's a forgone conclusion. Netflix puts their stuff on just about everything, so I don't see why the Switch would be any different. Whether they got dev kits, or whether they considered it a priority is unclear. I'd be extremely surprised if Netflix ignored it. Timetables are another matter. Other streaming apps, who knows? Time will tell.

 

[Velkyn]

Hey you can hype up all these features and say they make the controller worth it? I don't see it. Like I said when it's 15-30 dollars more the DS4 and Xbox One at regular price not talking about sales than nothing about it screams it's worth the price.

That's true doesn't excuse any of the companies doing it.

The problem is we can't really put pressure on them with a boycott because that would literally mean not buying anything. Virtually everything sold in Canada and the US does this.

 

[Rezbit]

Previews sound decent so far, what I expected. Seems like solid quality hardware with a speedy yet extremely basic UI. I do hope they add some more functionality, but I'm happy enough to be an early adopter and go along for the ride.

My most pressing want is a strong VC launch, with multiple games from multiple old Nintendo consoles.

Also hope the joycon thing is just an isolated issue that is easily fixed.

 

[spekkeh]

OK, here's the plan.

Pick up my preorder. If the issue does not appear, fine. If it appears and they solve it with a firmware update, fine. If it appears and it's a hardware issue and I have to get a free replacement unit, I'll do just that. I'll be fine either way.

What no lol that's not how it works.

You should cancel you preorder™, talk lots of shit in every thread, and then profess to the world at large how you are preordering Scorpio instead.

 

[Falchion]

Sync issues don't sounds good. Hopefully that's an isolated issue or something that can be addressed with an update.

 

[Distresssss]

What no lol that's not how it works.

You should cancel you preorder™, talk lots of shit in every thread, and then profess to the world at large how you are preordering Scorpio instead.

Most of the people talking shit most likely do not have pre orders and had no intention of getting one.



I myself will be having a blast with Zelda in a week and twelve and a half hours.

 

[Velkyn]

What no lol that's not how it works.

You should cancel you preorder™, talk lots of shit in every thread, and then profess to the world at large how you are preordering Scorpio instead.

"He has a reasonable, balanced opinion, let's beat him up!"

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

3DS OS slow is true, but crashes?
I'm still rocking a OG 3DS, no problems. Maybe you had a fault unit. It happens.

Had. Operative word. At launch the OS had widespread issues. They eventually ironed them out after a few updates.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

With XBMC, er, KODI being "mainstream" now for some time and even available on Play Store, it would be nice if it appeared for free in the eShop.

 

[StoOgE]

3 hours on zelda aint bad.

Is there any thoughts to what external charger I should buy? Got a couple of pretty long flights coming up soon. How many amps do we need to charge during play, or at least not deplete the built in batter further?

 

[ChrisInCali]

The truth is all systems at launch are somewhat of a beta-test for early adopters. It just happens that in this instance the hardware/software/launch is particularly bad. To the point where I personally find it offense and feel like Nintendo is really stiffing their own fan-base.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Right now the most important things are very solid and any issues seem patchable or updateable.

 

[TheFlow]

Most of the people talking shit most likely do not have pre orders and had no intention of getting one.



I myself will be having a blast with Zelda in a week and twelve and a half hours.

A preorder is not necessary to take not of flaws in the Switch launch.

The truth is all systems at launch are somewhat of a beta-test for early adopters. It just happens that in this instance the hardware/software/launch is particularly bad. To the point where I personally find it offense and feel like Nintendo is really stiffing their own fan-base.

their fanbase don't care mane. long as they got zelda playah

 

[The Futurist]

Most of the people talking shit most likely do not have pre orders and had no intention of getting one.



I myself will be having a blast with Zelda in a week and twelve and a half hours.

Uh no.

I have two pre-orders.

And I will shit talk as much as I damn well please. I won't cancel my pre-orders because it's a new toy and I want to play Zelda, but I'm not a blind child that will give his life to defend a product that has obvious shortcomings launching in 2017.

 

[Cuningas de Häme]

we don't know a lot of stuff.

were the joycons fully charged?
did they try re-syncing?
did they turn it on and off again?

Yup. I'd wait a day or two and if they keep getting problems then it's time to worry.

Now there's too much info missing.


I don't think that the Pro controller is overpriced/features, but it's too much for me anyway. Going with the Grip &Con...

 

[VistraNorrez]

being a nintendo fanboy or zelda fanboy would do that.

You could literally say that for every console launch. It's always going to be the software that makes a system desirable.

I never purchased a Wii U, though. And I might never have had a 3DS if it wasn't a gift.

I do love Zelda though.

 

[Listonosh]

That's a bummer, sorry it's being a pain. On the bright side, interference seems even more likely hearing this, and I know that is a firmware update solution.

That's actually really really great news. The thing is, it doesn't happen often, rarely even, but the fact that it happens at all was annoying enough for multiple places, myself included, to talk about it. If a firmware update can indeed fix this, then that's awesome, just sucks that Nintendo didn't catch this before previews were going out.

 

[Diprosalic]

"Soft launch" is already a strong frontrunner for dumbest buzzword of the year.

It's not even used correctly.

 

[Okami Haundo]

With XBMC, er, KODI being "mainstream" now for some time and even available on Play Store, it would be nice if it appeared for free in the eShop.

I'm gonna file that one under "never" when we're talking about Nintendo and using "open source" apps.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

What did they say?

Some good news from Endgadget regarding Zelda:

"it also performed a lot better than it did at preview events, where I noticed stuttering and occasional slowdown while it was connected to the dock. I wasn't expecting much from the Switch's graphical capabilities, but there are plenty of moments where Breath of the Wild is just strikingly beautiful."

.

 

[casey_contra]

I'm not sure what you mean?

Just read that it's happening in Gray Joy-Con too, so ignore my point...

But what I'm saying is that all of the blue left Joy-Con were probably on the same assembly line or whatever. So if there was an issue during that process it would have affected just the units on the line or batch.

But, moot point now.

 

[WordAssassin]

I mean people are allowed criticise and complain about pricing. What's wrong with that?

Oh I don't like it either. But the thing is not only packed to the gills with tech, but also new tech, and a battery that shames the competition. It's not an unjustified price, it's just expensive and that sucks.

Hey you can hype up all these features and say they make the controller worth it? I don't see it. Like I said when it's 15-30 dollars more the DS4 and Xbox One at regular price not talking about sales than nothing about it screams it's worth the price.

That's true doesn't excuse any of the companies doing it.

It remains to be seen weather the new tech they included in the controllers will, in the end, be worth the price. I personally cannot see the point of the IR Camera in the JoyCons. But that does not mean the price is unjustified. The technology in the controller IS the justification. The price can be too expensive for your taste, as it is to mine, but that doesn't mean, given what is in there making it that price, that it's unjustified. Unless you think Nintendo should sell the controllers at a loss?

 

[maxcriden]

That was version 12S, we don't know yet if that's the case with the final version too or if Nintendo fixed those problems when docked.

I see, thanks. Weird.

One of the newer previews said the docked performance was totally fixed now, we'll probably hear more about that tomorrow.

Gotcha, thanks for the info.

I'm assuming pg is pc for player character.

sorry about that, protagonist. Don't know how he was playing, he was showing it to a colleague.

edit: actually I thought it was a fairly standard abbreviation but it seems like it isnt, lol.

NP, thanks for the clarification.

One of the previews mentioned the person did not notice any slowdown or shuttering issues while docked. Basically he said he saw some instances of this during the preview events, but Nintendo has fixed them for launch.

Gotcha, thank you!

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Most of the people talking shit most likely do not have pre orders and had no intention of getting one.



I myself will be having a blast with Zelda in a week and twelve and a half hours.

This is bollocks. One can buy a switch, or any piece of hardware, and criticise it.

 

[Fess]

Right now the most important things are very solid and any issues seem patchable or updateable.

We don't know if they're patchable yet. I hope they are though!

 

[MisterR]

The people complaining about the pro controller prices in this thread blow my mind. $60ish dollars has been the MSRP for new console controllers since the PS3. Wasn't the Wii U pro controller like $50?

My pricing may be off since I'm Canadian and we pay through the nose on everything anyway.

I can go on Amazon right now and get a DS4 for 45 bucks.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

This is the timestamp where I show my weird L Joy-Con issues. It's not desynced per-se, but sometimes (rarely) I do experience input lag or sometimes no recognition of movement at all

https://youtu.be/O6w536jv1g8?t=1005

That looks like some kind of wireless interference or range issues. I'm not saying it's your place, could be an issue between joycons and device. It looks exactly like when I had my ps4 partially blocked. Had to move the ps4.

 

[Distresssss]

I'm gonna file that one under "never" when we're talking about Nintendo and using "open source" apps.

Pretty much. Unreasonable expectations and all that. There has been a lot of it going around.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Most of the people talking shit most likely do not have pre orders and had no intention of getting one.



I myself will be having a blast with Zelda in a week and twelve and a half hours.

You can buy something and still criticize the problems

 

[Velkyn]

3 hours on zelda aint bad.

Is there any thoughts to what external charger I should buy? Got a couple of pretty long flights coming up soon. How many amps do we need to charge during play, or at least not deplete the built in batter further?

Happy with 3 hours, that's about double the length of my commute to and from work. Most longer trips end up with you needing portable charging solutions anyway. Can't wait to see all the aftermarket solutions for charge on longer trips, though.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I can go on Amazon right now and get a DS4 for 45 bucks.

That's not how it works...like give me a break. It's a new damn system. It's not going to cost the same price as a system that came out over 3 years ago.

 

[iswasdoes]

On the netflix thing - is noone considering this could be down to the fact that this is a new, not-off-the-shelf OS? XBO and PS4 are basically PCs, and android devices are all the same also.

Perhaps it takes a bit of time to develop an app for a new device when you cant copy/paste code?

 

[WiiRevolution1]

No Activity Log is the worst decision Nntendo's ever made. If Zelda doesn't have a ingame timer I'll have to use a fucking timer and manually add up the time just to know my play time. Fuckng ridiculous. Fuck off whoever at Nintendo made this horrible decision.

*Cries* on the joycon issues will it disconnect while in handheld mode? Thats all I'll play in. I hope I don't have D/Cs while in handheld mode.

 

[StoOgE]

Happy with 3 hours, that's about double the length of my commute to and from work. Most longer trips end up with you needing portable charging solutions anyway. Can't wait to see all the aftermarket solutions for charge on longer trips, though.

Yeah, honestly 3 hours of Zelda (which has to be as big a battery eater as there will be) will get me through 90% of flights. So, I'm really happy.

Smaller games like Bomberman have to be able to push 5+ hours. So, this will be great.

 

[Mr Swine]

3 hours on zelda aint bad.

Is there any thoughts to what external charger I should buy? Got a couple of pretty long flights coming up soon. How many amps do we need to charge during play, or at least not deplete the built in batter further?

3 hours for a open world game is good to say at least. It could have been worse, 2 hours or maybe less

 

[TheFlow]

You could literally say that for every console launch. It's always going to be the software that makes a system desirable.

I never purchased a Wii U, though. And I might never have had a 3DS if it wasn't a gift.

I do love Zelda though.

then why don't you have a PS4 with some great games that would cost you the same if less than the switch? Based on your own words, buying a Switch makes no sense.

or is your zelda love that strong.

 

[family_guy]

and has HD Rumble and full gyro controls

DS4 has gyro controls, touchpad, and a speaker.

 

[Rodin]

I see, thanks. Weird.

The engadget preview said specifically this

I can't say much about Breath of the Wild yet, but I can confirm that it is very much a Zelda game, though it doesn't look like anything you've seen before. Notably, it also performed a lot better than it did at preview events, where I noticed stuttering and occasional slowdown while it was connected to the dock. I wasn't expecting much from the Switch's graphical capabilities, but there are plenty of moments where Breath of the Wild is just strikingly beautiful.

The game worked equally well in TV and portable modes, and I never had any issues switching between them.

It's not that odd that early versions of games don't perform as well as their final builds. The drops also seemed pretty random for the most part, suggesting something was going on with the streaming. It's likely fixed in the final version, will be interesting to see if the game doesn't drop anymore when a huge amount of DoF appears on screen.