Good to know this is an issue, but it's not going to stop me from getting a NS or playing with a split controller setup. I hope Nintendo gets this fixed, but it's not a deal breaker. These kinds of problems happen with hardware these days. If people found the resolve to deal with the crazy Xbox 360 RRoD, then this is nothing. Bring on the NS, Nintendo.
Gamexplain Explains the Joy-Con Desyncing Problem
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Dark Cloud
Member
Yeah how do you explain ARMS? People were playing it with the joycons and pretty much covering the whole joycons up.
SinCityAssassin
Member
One of the bigger possible reasons is obstruction from line of sight of the switch console itself. Unless your switch is to the side, I don't expect that utilization to have any effect.
Don't you hold the joycons with the rail pointing down? If so the antenna is probably not being covered. I am guessing they just lowered the Bluetooth power usage and some controllers have worse Bluetooth chips then others. Everyone can reproduce GameXplain but on some units you have to be 10ft away and others are having it happen very close.
darkazcura
Member
Well that sucks.
Like some others have guessed, I'm assuming this is because the controllers aren't leaving low power mode when pulled from the controllers are detached from the system. Has anyone tried restarting the system outside the dock with the joycons detached? Wondering if that would change anything potentially.
Like some others have guessed, I'm assuming this is because the controllers aren't leaving low power mode when pulled from the controllers are detached from the system. Has anyone tried restarting the system outside the dock with the joycons detached? Wondering if that would change anything potentially.
Fess
Member
Would you notice the connection issue in that game though? Maybe it's just the sticks that are affected? Or maybe you don't need to have total control 100% of the time in ARMS?
Anyhow, it's really bad, I won't cancel my preorder but I'm preparing myself to eventually buy two joycon+.
nikos
Member
That's good to hear. I won't be farther than 5-6 feet from the Switch at any time.
There's no reason why the sticks would be affected but other functions wouldn't be.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
his hand isn't covering the front of it in your pic as he does in the video. i just can't think of any situation where you would go out of your way to block it as he did in the video
What a silly conclusion to jump to
How would they know if it had the issue? It doesn't completely disconnect or anything, just makes it intermittent. Nobody knew how to judge if the game was correctly reflecting their milking motions correctly. (Not saying the issue happened but it would be very hard to detect vs link running weird or not being able to turn in Mario Kart, I mean you aren't even looking at the screen in 1-2 switch)
Fess
Member
Maybe it can't be fixed with a software update and maybe they'll use the don't-hold-it-that-way defense or say that we should sit closer to the TV/console?
I'm pretty sure Nintendo is going to fix this. No one should worry about that. Whether it's hardware or software, they'll get it taken care of. They (and us) might just say "don't hold it like that" in the meantime...or use another controller. Unfortunately, my be something that can't be corrected with a software update, which means they'll have to send out hardware and that will take time. Shouldn't stop someone from playing the games in the meantime.
People have been playing the switch for weeks now in public and this issue just came to light today. I willing to bet it's not as serious as it's being described.
It does occur to me, the Switch has been in public settings, developer hands, and QA testing for weeks if not months, as well as the Treehouse and various NOA testers/employees. It's unfeasible to me this hasn't been noticed by someone.
So it leads me to believe it's one of two things:
1. A bug in the pre-release OS. Something to do with the BT mode of the joycons, as mentioned by other posters.
2. A completely defective batch of joy cons, a defect that wasn't in previous batches.
It strikes me as a little odd that the defect seems to be in every single press unit. So is it just that batch of press units that have an issue, or is it in every unit set for release next week.
I'm hoping, and inclined to believe, it could be some kind of software bug. It would have pretty disastrous results for Nintendo if every launch joy con had to be recalled or fixed. It's just completely dampens the excitement for launch hardware knowing a part of it is literally defective. It would be bad PR too. I, for one, would be upset because I own a bunch of stock in Nintendo and know they need a smooth and successful launch.
I hope they say something about it tomorrow.
The joycons arent pointed at the switch, maybe it wont work...
If this is due to a controller or console firmware issue or bug, this wouldn't have come to light until the retail units released.
The best we can hope for is that this is a known issue and is fixable with a software update.
Marty Chinn
Member
If it is a firmware issue, it could already be fixed since it's likely the units on display are more up to date than the ones shipped to retail due to manufacturing time.
You might be right. Whatever the case, if I cannot realize this dream, I will be quite sad.
It absolutely will work. It's like 2 feet of distance, the hysteria about this is really getting ridiculous.
Some launch xb1 units chewed up disks and had to be replaced - was quite widespread I think?
My experience with Arms was that the game was sorta button-mashy and if you told me my inputs cut out for a second or two, I would totally believe it. You make these big, long punches and you're sorta committed to them, so if something cut out in that game you might just think your timing was off. It's not like Zelda, where you would clearly see Link stop walking or something.
C.Olimar788
Member
What the heck? That seems utterly inexcusable. Why on Earth are these controllers somehow worse at connecting than the Wiimotes? I can see this being an issue for a lot of people, and I really would have thought it would have been caught in QA. Jeesh.
SinCityAssassin
Member
The dream is dead.
That's actually very close to the switch console itself and closer than any preview event ever had anyone. So that's actually entirely doable despite these problems popping up.
UberTag
Member
My sympathies go out to anyone working retail next month. Parents aren't going to have the patience that hardcore gamers will when their kids are complaining that their new $300 game console isn't reading controller signals properly. They're also not likely to have Pro controllers on hand to mitigate it.
Japan will barely notice as they'll be predominantly using their Switches in handheld mode regardless.
Oh I am sure I will be able to. And I agree, this hysteria is ridiculous.
Edit: Everything is getting magnified and exaggerated more and more as we get closer, but I really do think Nintendo has this.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Posted this on another thread about this issue, based on a video I saw that applies more science to this issue:
Vampirolol
Member
Jeez people, just stop drinking water! The mental gymnastics some people do to hate on Nintendo is unreal...
Fahzgoolin
Banned
this is scary tbh
Boosting the output power through a firmware update could likely require re-certification unless they already certified it with a higher output power. It seems strange that they would lock the chip into a low power mode though, as most modern chipsets offer dynamic power control even for Class 2 devices where it is technically not required. This means that lowering the output power actually doesn't save you much power (though people often assume it does) because the device will only increase the power when needed. I will say though, that there is absolutely no reason why a Bluetooth device should require line-of-sight when you are indoors and within a few meters of the other unit.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I can't believe this... This is so amateurish. How was this overlooked? NoA needs to comment it on this tomorrow.
M_A_C
Member
https://youtu.be/WAT0B1OyoXA?t=4m38s
Yeah he even mentions that he was farthest away from the console.
This problem is very worrying.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Correct.
This is a joke, right? One of the main selling points of the Switch is faulty. You'd need mental gymnastics to downplay this.
Infinite_Daremo
Member
I remember the iPhone 4s antenna issue sounding familiar to this. If you held the phone a certain way your hands blocked the phones signal. They later rectified this with free cases for every user. People hoping for a software fix for this are delusional. The only way I can think it could be fixed is if the Bluetooth signal is outputting a weak signal to favour battery life and that could somehow be addressed.
You're right, I posted this xact video in the other thread a while ago and no one batted an eye.
Dark Cloud
Member
Thanks
I wonder if this "replication" of the issue is actually the same thing as the issue at hand. The reason I wonder is that, in order to replicate it, he has to completely cover the controller (probably around where the bluetooth chip is specifically). Nobody would be naturally doing that in the way he had to for the issue to show up. People are just playing games and it's happening. Why? I don't feel like this answered that.
I think the 'stop drinking water' is a giveaway lol
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Not good to hear and it should work well for everyone regardless of a small or larger play area.