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I think it's a bummer that FOX will find someway to "undo" this ending to the X-Men story, since it kinda removes the tension from any future film efforts. I mean, why should I care about X-Men versus Mr Sinister if I already know that mutants die out and Professor Xavier gets buried in a shallow grave by a lake?

This seems like an ideal time to do a hard reboot of the entire franchise.....especially considering that Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, Jackman, and Stewart probably aren't coming back. It's going to be rough trying to recast Magento, Xavier, and Wolverine all at once though.
 
Just got back. Wow, gotta agree I feel like I just got back from the funeral of one of my childhood heroes. On the ride back I said out loud well he still lives in the comics... It would be hard to watch this again. I like how dark the movie was allowed to be...but man this sucks : (

Also, yeah everyone laughed at the big kid running. It seemed to me that it was shot in a way that was reaching for cheap comic relief. "Hey look at this fat kid haulin ass."

Quick Edit: Oh yeah at the end of the movie there were no claps or cheers. Everyone was just kinda stunned. Even walking out there wasn't much talking.
 
I think it's a bummer that FOX will find someway to "undo" this ending to the X-Men story, since it kinda removes the tension from any future film efforts. I mean, why should I care about X-Men versus Mr Sinister if I already know that mutants die out and Professor Xavier gets buried in a shallow grave by a lake?

This seems like an ideal time to do a hard reboot of the entire franchise.....especially considering that Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, Jackman, and Stewart probably aren't coming back. It's going to be rough trying to recast Magento, Xavier, and Wolverine all at once though.

Personally I think it's a great place to stop. With a movie that transcends the entire series, and is a great motion picture all on its own. End on the highest possible note.

But it won't, of course.
 
Personally I think it's a great place to stop. With a movie that transcends the entire series, and is a great motion picture all on its own. End on the highest possible note.

But it won't, of course.

Ideally, they should take 3-5 years and just work on side projects like Deadpool, New Mutants, X-Force, Gambit, or whatever. Then reboot the whole thing, retaining whatever works from those side projects.
 
I gotta say I really like the bleak/not bleak future they created. The autonomous trucks and giant harvesters. It's a really cool not too distant future that still feels dirty and trashy, but not in any dystopian or apocalyptic way.
 
Easily my favorite Xmen movie, and possibly even the best super hero movie for me.

They changed some stuff up from the comics, but for the better.

I like the idea of Xavier getting old enough that age related illness made him dangerous. Have they ever done that in comics? That was really well thought out, it explained how the world pulled a 180 it shit-ville so fast. Also liked the Adamantium poisoning call back, easily the best reason for nerfing Wolverine.
 
Easily my favorite Xmen movie, and possibly even the best super hero movie for me.

They changed some stuff up from the comics, but for the better.

I like the idea of Xavier getting old enough that age related illness made him dangerous. Have they ever done that in comics? That was really well thought out, it explained how the world pulled a 180 it shit-ville so fast. Also liked the Adamantium poisoning call back, easily the best reason for nerfing Wolverine.
I want to say that they have done it before, but I can't think of any examples off the top of my head.
 
Easily my favorite Xmen movie, and possibly even the best super hero movie for me.

They changed some stuff up from the comics, but for the better.

I like the idea of Xavier getting old enough that age related illness made him dangerous. Have they ever done that in comics? That was really well thought out, it explained how the world pulled a 180 it shit-ville so fast. Also liked the Adamantium poisoning call back, easily the best reason for nerfing Wolverine.

That was something I didn't quite catch - what was causing wolverine to get sick?
 
Someone can clarify some things for me?

1) I feel crazy having to ask this but... what happened to all the mutants? Did Canada like... participate in a worldwide extermination program but now they're kind of sad about it and ok to grant the kids asylum and also why would the baddies have any qualms about just crossing the border, wouldn't harboring fugitive mutants (which the whole world was ok with exterminating) be a fair justification for invading them?

2) What the heck happened in Westchester? And did it only happen one year before this movie?

3) I actually don't follow the timeline at all. When did active extermination start in relation to mutants not being born anymore?

4) ... when did the X-24 program start in relation to X-23 and how is he a grown-ass man.

That was something I didn't quite catch - what was causing wolverine to get sick?

I think the idea was that the adamantium in his body was toxic? When he was young his body just healed away the adverse effects but now he can't keep up with it?
 
That was something I didn't quite catch - what was causing wolverine to get sick?

His healing powers were wearing off, which were the one thing keeping the adamantium from poisoning his system.

Someone can clarify some things for me?


2) What the heck happened in Westchester? And did it only happen one year before this movie?

Charles had a seizure, and it was the first time so no one knew how to respond. This means it lasted way too long and wiped out everyone at the Xavier school. Except Wolverine, who has healing powers that can basically bring him back from the dead?

At least that's how I understood it.
 
The thing I loved about Charles' death was it made sense that Logan would kill him for remembering, was probably his intent in the first place. Like he just wants him to be at peace

Then you realize what's really going on

Man as soon as they went to that family's house I just had this horrible wrenching feeling in my gut that just got worse as it went on. Never expected it to go as bad as it did though
 
Someone can clarify some things for me?

1) I feel crazy having to ask this but... what happened to all the mutants? Did Canada like...
participate in a worldwide extermination program but now they're kind of sad about it and ok to grant the kids asylum and also why would the baddies have any qualms about just crossing the border, wouldn't harboring fugitive mutants (which the whole world was ok with exterminating) be a fair justification for invading them?

2) What the heck happened in Westchester? And did it only happen one year before this movie?

3) I actually don't follow the timeline at all. When did active extermination start in relation to mutants not being born anymore?

4) ... when did the X-24 program start in relation to X-23 and how is he a grown-ass man.



I think the idea was that the adamantium in his body was toxic? When he was young his body just healed away the adverse effects but now he can't keep up with it?

His healing powers were wearing off, which were the one thing keeping the adamantium from poisoning his system.



Charles had a seizure, and it was the first time so no one knew how to respond. This means it lasted way too long and wiped out everyone at the Xavier school. Except Wolverine, who has healing powers that can basically bring him back from the dead?

At least that's how I understood it.

Ah thanks. yeah that's pretty cool.
 
Going to see it again tomorrow, in IMAX and with family this time.

My review, cross-posting from MYSR thread:

This is what life looks like...You should take a moment. Feel it, Logan. You still have time.
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Logan
For such a stacked sub-genre that is superhero films, Logan still doesn't have many equals. Superhero films that are more character studies and thematically focused are either not particularly well liked (Ang Lee's Hulk), don't follow through (Hancock, Iron Man films) or rare but flawed (Nolan's Batman films). Here, the focus is squarely on fatherhood and importance of family in trying times. It's like a sci-fi Lone Wolf and Cub. It's 2029, and mutants are nearly extinct. A company called Transigen is about making new mutants as their own weapons. Logan (Hugh Jackman) has to take care of Charles (an unhinged Patrick Stewart) in a tipped over water tower, who's essentially his father, albeit one with a neurodegenerative disease whose seizures can cause people in the surrounding area to freeze (there's an inventive setpiece in a casino hotel during one of them). He also has to start acting as a father of a new mutant kid, Laura (Dafne Keen), who sports a similar rebellious personality. In a mostly post-mutant world, the few mutants are on the run which turns the film into a very effective and beautifully shot (DP John Mathieson) neo-western. This is not surprising coming from the director James Mangold who previously did 3:10 To Yuma. In fact, there's a key western film (Shane) in the background that ties to the two main characters, Logan and Laura, who have killed but whether it was for "right or wrong, it's a brand, a brand that sticks". The destination is North Dakota, so it's time for a perilous road trip.

Due partially to the R rating, the film can go into showing the true emotions of characters, especially their frustrations. Logan is at the end of his rope, drinking and suicidal ideation hand in hand. Logan's character arc is believable even if saddening, to go from shunning everyone to avoid getting them hurt to eventually trusting in others but there being a big risk. Charles is not afraid of swearing, but these moments can show these characters to be at their most raw and real. Laura (X23-23) is mostly mute, but her playful nature shines through in moments like riding a mechanical horse and getting angry when the ride is out of coins, wearing sunglasses, or riding Charles' wheelchair. Elsewhere the more adult rating shines is in the action being visceral through dismemberment, decapitations, and impaling. While the opening bout with groggy Logan outside of his Chrysler is not the most interestingly shot, it gets better in the later setpieces and especially near the end when tag-teaming is a strategy. Laura's action is as good as Wolverine at his very best. The action choreography with even the cars is memorable, like when Logan reverses his car with a barbed wire stuck to the bumper and uses that to knock out other enemies. There is a glorious one-shot of Logan in the forest just chewing through a gallery of enemies. The villains are formidable even if predictable, with one who can be on equal proving grounds with Logan, making for quite the SNIKT SNIKT battles.

However, when the action dies down, it's when the quietest and most intimate moments happen that give the film real weight (like a family dinner), incomparable to most other superhero films. When Laura finally talks and delivers some powerful lines: ("You are dying. You want to die. Charles told me", to which Logan responds with, "What else did he tell you?" and Laura closes, "To not let you"), it lands like a hammer. The film isn't self-serious all the time and has rare but appreciable comedic scenes such as Logan's beard being cut by kids to give his trademark mutton chops. All of these moments are when you realise you're watching humans interact and bond with each other, and not costumed heroes set to save the world.

Early days, but one of the best superhero films ever with one of the most emotional and poignant final shots.
 
That was something I didn't quite catch - what was causing wolverine to get sick?

The Adamantium fused to his bones. He had all the same symptoms as heavy metal poisoning. They're also covered the issue in the comics before. Having indestructible metal on his skeleton slows his healing factor, the movie just took it to the logical conclusion.
 
The Adamantium fused to his bones. He had all the same symptoms as heavy metal poisoning. They're also covered the issue in the comics before. Having indestructible metal on his skeleton slows his healing factor, the movie just took it to the logical conclusion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Logan was infused with that adamantium during adulthood, no? Does that mean that Laura would get that poisoning even worse?
 
This was fantastic. Haven't watched any X-Men movie since X2, yet still packed an emotional punch. Awesome to see Hugh Jackman go out in such a high note.
 
The Adamantium fused to his bones. He had all the same symptoms as heavy metal poisoning. They're also covered the issue in the comics before. Having indestructible metal on his skeleton slows his healing factor, the movie just took it to the logical conclusion.

Yeah, makes sense. I don't read the comics, but I do recall something like his healing factor was even better without the adamantium, like the adamantium kept it busy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Logan was infused with that adamantium during adulthood, no? Does that mean that Laura would get that poisoning even worse?


Probably.

Taking that a step further, wouldn't it also completely stunt her growth?

Also probably. I mean if strips are fused to the bone, those bones are gonna be painful growing.
 
Just saw this, phenomenal film, it's a road to redemption to one of the most iconic film characters of the 21st century. Visceral, intimate and holy hell super emotional.

This is what the original shitty Old Man Logan comic should've been. Truly outstanding.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Logan was infused with that adamantium during adulthood, no? Does that mean that Laura would get that poisoning even worse?

Probably. I'm not sure if she had a full skeletal fusion though, incasing her skull or other parts of her at such a young age would lead to them crushing her organs as she grew. They may have added just the claws at first for training. Admantium is supposed to be exceedingly rare, and dense/heavy too, so they may have been waiting.
 
Easily my favorite Xmen movie, and possibly even the best super hero movie for me.

They changed some stuff up from the comics, but for the better.

I like the idea of Xavier getting old enough that age related illness made him dangerous. Have they ever done that in comics? That was really well thought out, it explained how the world pulled a 180 it shit-ville so fast. Also liked the Adamantium poisoning call back, easily the best reason for nerfing Wolverine.

I agree all the nerfs were great and made sense, adding a great end to these characters. Really well thought out.

I just sort of wish Logan and Xavier could had been on that boat out in sea though. :/
 
Ah, I must have missed if it was only claws

Have to rewatch it again. But no scene implied she had an adamantium skeleton. Which could still happen in feature movies.

I'm still letting the feeling sink in though. This was a perfect send-off for Stewart and Jackman. But ... fuck, I hope he is atleast gonna do some cameo's here and there. Not counting on it though.

"So ... this is how it feels like ..."

The "blank" stare he had afterwards.. fuck.

The part with Charles talking to "X-24" .. felt strange at first. But got me thinking. If X-24 is a succesful clone of Logan, Charles wouldn't notice the difference. He'd be the exact same person.
I was in shock when it happened. I was prepared for Logan to die ... but not Charles.
 
Not seen it yet but does this take place in the same time line as Days Of Future Past? I.e after Logan wakes up at Xavier's school and talks to Charles about what he remembers.

All these different story arcs and time lines really do my head in TBH and I'd like to know that everything I've seen so far in these X-Men movies actually relates to what's happening in Logan.
 
Not seen it yet but does this take place in the same time line as Days Of Future Past? I.e after Logan wakes up at Xavier's school and talks to Charles about what he remembers.

All these different story arcs and time lines really do my head in TBH and I'd like to know that everything I've seen so far in these X-Men movies actually relates to what's happening in Logan.

It ... kinda feels that way, but this is a standalone movie.
I'd love to connect it to Days of Future Past (to give it that Judgement Day is innevitable feeling) ... but I think Mangold said its not connected.
 
So having given some more thought about the X-24 thing for me it works.

In the movies, weapon X has always been about creating the perfect weapon and Wolverine was the perfect weapon but got away while others like Sabretooth, Lady Deathstrike, Deadpool etc were flawed in some ways.

So it makes sense for the X program to come full circle and create the perfect weapon which would be a wolverine clone who they can finally control.

That’s what I got out of X-24 anyway.

Fantastic movie
 
So having given some more thought about the X-24 thing for me it works.

In the movies, weapon X has always been about creating the perfect weapon and Wolverine was the perfect weapon but got away while others like Sabretooth, Lady Deathstrike, Deadpool etc were flawed in some ways.

So it makes sense for the X program to come full circle and create the perfect weapon which would be a wolverine clone who they can finally control.

That’s what I got out of X-24 anyway.

Fantastic movie

X-24 is how Wolverine should've been. The perfect weapon. Indestructible, controllable ... Was good seeing Logan battle against a younger version of himself. Kinda came full circle. He had to look himself in the eyes...
 
X-24 is how Wolverine should've been. The perfect weapon. Indestructible, controllable ... Was good seeing Logan battle against a younger version of himself. Kinda came full circle. He had to look himself in the eyes...

And then killed by his primal self, impaled on a tree like a wounded animal.

So good.
 
I'm not sure what timeline this is a part of, but it doesn't rule out cameos, this takes place around 2040(Edit: 2029, I must of misheard). Both actors have stated they want to retire the characters, but I don't see the harm in a cameo.

I agree all the nerfs were great and made sense, adding a great end to these characters. Really well thought out.

I just sort of wish Logan and Xavier could had been on that boat out in sea though. :/

Its implied that they were going out to sea so that Logan could shoot himself in the head with the adamantium bullet, and Xavier could have a seizure and die without killing everyone around him.
 
It's a damn shame that this was the best Wolverine movie and will be the last with Jackman.

I really enjoyed the film tonight. Really good send off for the x men franchise. A serious reboot needs to happen in the next 3 - 5 years. Hopefully by then, disney will some how buy the rights to x men from fox again.
 
Still processing the movie and I've only got good things to say about Logan. Everything was done right in my eyes. The characters, the action, the ups and downs, the everything. Just right. And that ending was perfect. Still really sad to see Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart retiring from their roles but damn they delivered their best with this one.
 
Not seen it yet but does this take place in the same time line as Days Of Future Past? I.e after Logan wakes up at Xavier's school and talks to Charles about what he remembers.

All these different story arcs and time lines really do my head in TBH and I'd like to know that everything I've seen so far in these X-Men movies actually relates to what's happening in Logan.
The only movies that we can confirm it may connect to are:

-Wolverine ( the samurai sword in his room alludes to this).

-X-men 1.
 
The only movies that we can confirm it may connect to are:

-Wolverine ( the samurai sword in his room alludes to this).

-X-men 1.

At the end of The Wolverine we see Magneto and Xavier asking Logan for help. They inform him of the Sentinel Project and the danger it presents to mutants. After DOFP, that future was avoided. So it's ... weird (?) to see where Logan takes place in.
 
At the end of The Wolverine we see Magneto and Xavier asking Logan for help. They inform him of the Sentinel Project and the danger it presents to mutants. After DOFP, that future was avoided. So it's ... weird (?) to see where Logan takes place in.

In which case, Logan would remember having had that adventure before he went back in time. So he just swung by the knife store at the mall and picked up a sword that looked kinda similar for sentimentality.
 
In which case, Logan would remember having had that adventure before he went back in time. So he just swung by the knife store at the mall and picked up a sword that looked kinda similar for sentimentality.

True. Could be a visual-nod to the Wolverine though. But, if it is indeed the sword from The Wolverine ... it means that, even after the averted future ... it still goes to shit. That, or the events of DOFP-future never changed.
 
Loved it. Don't know why but the moment X23 made an X out of the cross was very powerful.

Some little nitpicks here and there but overall a really liked it. Music Score was rather forgettable.
 
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