Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss

I Don't think that PC gamers care about achievements... Trust me. Useless.

Which is kind of the point at how easy they are to implement. Not many care but I'm sure SOME do and they still have achievements. Nintendo should have achievements in 2017, then again, they also shouldn't have friend codes but they do.
 
It's an industry standard across CONSOLES. Heck, even intelligent programmers have engineered ways to inject them into NES emulation.

So is locking P2P online multiplayer behind a paywall, and I'm disappointed Nintendo followed suit with that.

"Things console makers can get away with" does not equate to "industry standards"
 
Cursory third party support would have been better with an autumn launch, obviously. Third party retail Baseball games don't seem to be a thing anymore, so you get the annual games (sports or otherwise) in the fall now. What Nintendo needs to do is make sure that games that would have been there as launch titles are still there for a system entering it's first Xmas season. It would look strange for Nintendo if Switch has a better first nine months on the market than Wii U, but somehow has fewer games.
 
Launch issues plague every console. In the Switch case, they're easily fixable (I've never used a touchscreen device without a screen protector and I'm not going to start now) or will be added in time. For me, playing Zelda in the car completely dwarfs any issues. Your mileage may vary.

For me, the biggest issue right now is lack of cloud saves. I don't like the idea of my BOTW progress being lost, for example. My guess is the online fee is strongly tied into that.
 
Steam doesn't, Android doesn't, IOS doesn't, Origin doesn't, UPlay doesn't, GOG doesn't, Humble Doesn't, Blizzard.net doesn't.

MS and Sony do. That's literally it. That's not an industry standard.

Uh the issue isn't making achievements mandatory, it's having a platform wide achievement system available to users and developers to take advantage of, which many of the services above do.
 
I find it surprising how much people on here seem to care about achievements. It seems like the very last thing Nintendo should look into. Disconnects, wobbly Joy-Cons, scratches, no Miiverse, no StreetPass, no media apps, no browser etc. I think are important concerns Nintendo needs to address ASAP. But the lack of system-wide achievements just seems like a simple difference in philosophy.
 
I'm so tired reading this kind of things over and over again. Greater value proposition... the value of the PS4 and Xbox One equals zero if you can't play them on the bus or in the park, or if you can't play Zelda or Mario games on them.

What?

So is locking P2P online multiplayer behind a paywall, and I'm disappointed Nintendo followed suit with that.

"Things console makers can get away with" does not equate to "industry standards"

Platform level achievement system and locking multiplayer behind a pay wall are two entirely different beasts. That's a pretty weak comparison.
 
Some people Like It, Some People Don't,
You wish they'd give up, but they just won't.

It has its issues like everything new,
and these are outlined in the OP's point of view.

The kids enjoy switch and ask us to play,
Initially mum told them both "no way"
But after she played a couple of rounds,
all could be heard was joyful sounds.

So regardless of if the system has issues,
people will enjoy it, so heres some tissues.





Thank you, i'm here all week.

I do agree that the issues need to be brought to Nintys attention though.
 
It all depends on the individual and what features are important to them


For example me

I don't care for Bluetooth headsets, I dont use headphones when gaming on TV and when portable I use wired earphones or just use the loudspeaker

I don't care about friends code or using voice chat. I don't have friends who own Nintendo hardware usually and I don't make online friends. I enjoy the odd occasional online session with randoms. Hell even on my PS4 I barely play with my friends list and play with randoms.

Graphics and lack of 3rd party multiplatform games or games that are downgraded in comparison to PS4 games. This is another thing I don't care for, as Switch is going to be my secondary console that compliments my PS4. I will most likely buy majority of big 3rd party games on PS4 anyway. I'm buying a Switch for unique games, Nintendo games, or games that I'd prefer portability with even if it means worse graphics. For example if get Skyrim with worse graphics on Switch over PS4 version just so I can play it on the go.

Accessory prices don't bother me because I most likely won't buy the accessories anyway. And besides the PS4 controller was expensive at launch and that had awful battery life. Switch also offers 2 controllers for multiplayer in some games which I may find useful for games like Mario Kart.

Acheivements i don't care about

Gimmick. Well I love the gimmick. I don't really play multiplayer games alot to invest in a 2nd controller but I do have the occasional multiplayer session for games like Mario Kart. Which is perfect for me. Yeah it's not as comfortable as 2 full controllers but no one cares when they are having a blast. I also like they are detachable from the main unit do if buttons get damaged don't have to replace the whole handheld. Finally I like they got motion I want a Wii Sports successor.




The things that are important to me

VC games being in my library. Well I didn't own a 3DS or Wii U to buy VC games so this doesn't effect me. However this is a issue for me going forward. I'd like to know if my Switch games will be future compatible for Nintendo next system.

YouTube and web browsing, I like to be able to switch between a game and YouTube or Web browsing on the fly on one device. I'm not too bothered this isn't at launch ajd am patient but I'd like Nintendo to be more open when these features are coming.

Lack of games. This is something that is the norm for most console launches and besides Zelda is top tier and kills any other launch besides Mario 64. However with me I need more games to get me into buying a console and I haven't bought many consoles at launch as I need more games. For example I bought PS4 after inFamous Second Son released.

Game prices. Bomberman and Street Fighter 2 prices are insane. But is this Nintendo's fault these are 3rd party games. Then again 12 Switch is also a rip however it's not a game I'd play anyway. This is something that will likely fix itself and price will come crashing down as many people won't bite at these crazy prices for basic games.

Charging for online. This bothers me as not many games I play online on Nintendo but I am the sort of person who likes the option available for the occasional Mario Kart online. Also the VC game for only a month bothers me

Hardware issues is the big one for me. Scratching screens and JoyCon sync is a big turn off for me.




After the above considerations I have decided to not get a Switch at launch but still love the system, the concept and of course them quality Nintendo games. I will definitely pick one up in a year or 2 and hopefully price is cheaper and a few of the above things get ironed out.
 
I'm so tired reading this kind of things over and over again. Greater value proposition... the value of the PS4 and Xbox One equals zero if you can't play them on the bus or in the park, or if you can't play Zelda or Mario games on them.

r u jaden smith
 
Aside from being as barebones as it gets; Miiverse, StreetPass, the Internet Browser and Activity Log are now gone.

I never used these features so I dont care they are gone.

There's no built-in achievement system or party chat which have become industry standards

Don't care. Achievements are implemented so poorly I am amazed more people don't complain. In Mass Effect 1 the achievements were awesome because each achievement unlocked an in game benefit. So if you used a biotic power a lot as an adept you could unlock it (with an achievement) so ANY class can use that power, even a soldier. All games should do this IMO.

I would suggest nintendo add them since so many people do like them and their gamescore.

nor is there apps of any kind such as Netflix, YouTube, and Spotify.

Its not a big deal to me because I have probably a dozen different devices capable of running these apps. But options are good, so I would prefer these apps do come to the Switch.

Nintendo publicly stated friend codes were going to be eliminated but that's not the case, they have made a return with even the most basic of messaging features being nonexistent.

Dont care because I dont play MP games.

Save data can't be transferred in any way, shape, or form.

They need to fix this, it is important.

Accessories
You can debate worth but there's no denying the fact that the accessories are expensive. The feeling is amplified due to competitor items being priced much lower. Everything feels like an additional fee, from Nintendo not including a charging grip or mic with the Switch, needing the HORI Compact Playstand to charge and play your Switch in tabletop mode, to being forced to buy a microSDXC card sooner rather than later due to the paltry 25GB of available storage.

Agree with some things here, no charging grip seems very penny pinching and a bad move.

Dont care about no mic as dont play MP games. Dont care about storage because I will always buy physical media versions, 32GB is easily enough for me.

Pro controllers being $70 seemed outrageous until I realized that you get some tech in there not in most controllers like the NFC, HD rumble and I believe motion controls. Its certainly expensive though so I dont blame people who just consider it too much.

Dock at $90 is ridiculous, way overprice for a piece of plastic basically. And it scratches screens which is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be fixed in a future revision. This is a very big failure on Nintendo's part.


Games
Everything seems to be either overpriced, compromised in the form of graphical fidelity and performance in comparison to competitors, or just simply being a port of an indie game.

I've always thought that the value someone sees in the Switch is directly proportional to how much they value handheld features. As someone who does like handheld features, its a fair compromise (there is no handheld game anywhere near as impressive as zelda for example).

I think at $300 with no games if someone wants it to play games on a TV only, its very bad value and a terrible lineup except for Zelda.

Triple A third-party support is nowhere to be found.

I saw enough value in the games such as the Nintendo ones, and the japanese JRPG type games for me personally but AAA support is going to be very important to widen the audience. As of now support is terrible.

The Virtual Console could have helped fill a void but it hasn't been announced as to when it will be available.

I dont care I dont buy them. I prefer new games.

Connectivity
You must use a smartphone app to play and communicate with friends. Bluetooth audio devices are not supported.

Dont care personally because I dont care about MP. It does seem absurd though, paying for a service that requires you to have a PHONE to enable the voice chat.

The online service now costs money with no real value proposition.

We dont know the final price. Maybe someone will find value since price looks like it will be lower than sony or microsoft if japan pricing migrates. Personally I think its a bad deal to pay ANY money for online functionality as someone who prefers to play on PC where possible.


It's touted that the Switch comes with two controllers out of the box. Now that I and many of you have experienced it firsthand, there's no way it's more than a novelty. It's just not very comfortable nor is it practical for games with deep meaningful experiences and it's even more frustrating that this was the reason Nintendo removed the d-pad.

I personally found them surprisingly comfortable since I thought they looked too small. There is some interesting technology there that COULD be applied well to games like HD rumble, and potentially a GOOD motion control game. I wouldnt be surprised for it to never be used however.

I like the controllers and think pro controller is also great and has a good dpad.

No one will ever be able to comfortably play a title like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, or Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers with a single Joy-Con.

I dont understand why you would play a complex game like zelda with a single joycon. I personally dont care about MP so using a single joycon is irrelevant to me.

HD Rumble will go down as this generations power of the cloud; it's cool but forgettable.

It could be cool in games. Sounds like good technology and inexpensive for a developer to support.


The left Joy-Con is having widespread problems causing it to de-sync at random.

Not personally having any issues.

Nintendo included a dock that scratches your screen after extended use,

VERY VERY BAD. I cannot believe Nintendo could launch a product like this. People were reporting this issue within the first day of use. Terrible.

they also claim if you have a dead pixel on your Switch, it's not a defect.

Like many companies. I have bought 5 nintendo devices with screens with not a single bad pixel

The Wi-Fi has limited range with some being unable to connect to the internet.

Not personally had any issues
 
Most of the flaws mentioned are real, and are worthy of concern / caution. I don't blame anyone who chooses not to jump in until Nintendo has sorted a few of them out with software (or even hardware) updates.

...But. For me personally, it does what it set out to do very well. And it is going to be hard to regret the purchase that let me play Zelda. Looking at the 3DS, Nintendo dramatically expanded its functionality over time (browser, Miiverse, eShop, streetpass games, folders...). I am hopeful that they will do the same here.
 
I'm so tired reading this kind of things over and over again. Greater value proposition... the value of the PS4 and Xbox One equals zero if you can't play them on the bus or in the park, or if you can't play Zelda or Mario games on them.

Thats...not how value proposition works lol.
 
It's way too early to complaint about anything that you're complaining about, imho. Name me ONE console who had a kick ass, over 50 solid hours gameplay game like Zelda BotW at launch.

That's right.
 
I never used these features so I dont care they are gone.



Don't care. Achievements are implemented so poorly I am amazed more people don't complain. In Mass Effect 1 the achievements were awesome because each achievement unlocked an in game benefit. So if you used a biotic power a lot as an adept you could unlock it (with an achievement) so ANY class can use that power, even a soldier. All games should do this IMO.

I would suggest nintendo add them since so many people do like them and their gamescore.



Its not a big deal to me because I have probably a dozen different devices capable of running these apps. But options are good, so I would prefer these apps do come to the Switch.



Dont care because I dont play MP games.



They need to fix this, it is important.



Agree with some things here, no charging grip seems very penny pinching and a bad move.

Dont care about no mic as dont play MP games. Dont care about storage because I will always buy physical media versions, 32GB is easily enough for me.

Pro controllers being $70 seemed outrageous until I realized that you get some tech in there not in most controllers like the NFC, HD rumble and I believe motion controls. Its certainly expensive though so I dont blame people who just consider it too much.

Dock at $90 is ridiculous, way overprice for a piece of plastic basically. And it scratches screens which is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be fixed in a future revision. This is a very big failure on Nintendo's part.


Games


I've always thought that the value someone sees in the Switch is directly proportional to how much they value handheld features. As someone who does like handheld features, its a fair compromise (there is no handheld game anywhere near as impressive as zelda for example).

I think at $300 with no games if someone wants it to play games on a TV only, its very bad value and a terrible lineup except for Zelda.



I saw enough value in the games such as the Nintendo ones, and the japanese JRPG type games for me personally but AAA support is going to be very important to widen the audience. As of now support is terrible.



I dont care I dont buy them. I prefer new games.

Connectivity


Dont care personally because I dont care about MP. It does seem absurd though, paying for a service that requires you to have a PHONE to enable the voice chat.



We dont know the final price. Maybe someone will find value since price looks like it will be lower than sony or microsoft if japan pricing migrates. Personally I think its a bad deal to pay ANY money for online functionality as someone who prefers to play on PC where possible.




I personally found them surprisingly comfortable since I thought they looked too small. There is some interesting technology there that COULD be applied well to games like HD rumble, and potentially a GOOD motion control game. I wouldnt be surprised for it to never be used however.

I like the controllers and think pro controller is also great and has a good dpad.



I dont understand why you would play a complex game like zelda with a single joycon. I personally dont care about MP so using a single joycon is irrelevant to me.



It could be cool in games. Sounds like good technology and inexpensive for a developer to support.




Not personally having any issues.



VERY VERY BAD. I cannot believe Nintendo could launch a product like this. People were reporting this issue within the first day of use. Terrible.



Like many companies. I have bought 5 nintendo devices with screens with not a single bad pixel



Not personally had any issues


r u jaden jones?
 
My main concern with the Switch is the hardware longevity. It's distressing to know that we are already hitting hardware boundaries, specifically that BOTW in docked mode overwhelms the memory bus due to the higher resolution, which is what causes the stuttering we see. I'm concerned 2, 3 years down the road how that is going to hobble the system. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Switch and BOTW is awesome, I've noticed few framerate issues but when they hit it is very noticeable. I think the system will excel with 2D platformers like Shovel Knight but those will only get the system so far, in the age of 4K gaming and beyond. I dunno, I really hope Nintendo addresses some of the issues stated in OP's post, and I think most if not all can be remedied by software updates.

I know when Nintendo releases a new console, it rightfully takes the forefront in software updates and adding features, so perhaps they are already in the works. I just can't help but feel like it was very much so pushed out the door this month in order to boost their Q1 revenue. However, BOTW is so amazing that I can look past that and just enjoy the game, it will keep me busy I'm sure until they start adding more features and better games.

Definitely looking forward to MK8D (never really got into vanilla MK8), Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and of course Mario...but it's so far off! I am also curious if they will be able to achieve 60fps on Mario as their trailer has shown, given the graphical fidelity which looks better than Zelda IMO.
 
It's way too early to complaint about anything that you're complaining about, imho. Name me ONE console who had a kick ass, over 50 solid hours gameplay game like Zelda BotW at launch.

That's right.

Assassins Creed 4 with the PS4 and Xbone.

Plenty of other consoles have launched with great games before. Halo, Soul Caliber, Rogue Squadron 2, Call of Duty 2, Mario 64 etc... Most in fact have several, Zelda is great but its pretty objective to say the switch has one of the worst launch game lineups in the history of consoles.
 
Which is kind of the point at how easy they are to implement. Not many care but I'm sure SOME do and they still have achievements. Nintendo should have achievements in 2017, then again, they also shouldn't have friend codes but they do.

I didnt even know switch used friends codes, jeez.
 
not enough games to keep the defense force on the console.

How exactly am I part of this so-called "defense force"?
Please refrain from responding if all you can do is regurgitate these pathetic one-liners that reek of "console warz" mentality. It's a fucking electronic device.

If you want me to clarify, I'd be happy to do so.

First of all, "failing at a console" is pretty ambiguous as it can mean a multitude of things.
Messaging? Launch lineup? Overall presentation of the system? Sales?

Some of the points made in the OP haven't even had a chance to be tested or reviewed because they simple aren't available yet:
Connectivity
You must use a smartphone app to play and communicate with friends. Bluetooth audio devices are not supported.
Online
The online service now costs money with no real value proposition.


A couple of them are non-issues:
Gimmick:
No one will ever be able to comfortably play a title like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, or Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers with a single Joy-Con.
While I agree with the USF aspect, I don't think you can even play Zelda (or Splatoon, and that hasn't even released yet) with a single joycon, so why is this mentioned? And two-player out-of-the-box is better than any other competing device on the market, even if it's not as good as two whole controllers. The fact that you can also play with the controllers detached is a great option.
being forced to buy a microSDXC card sooner rather than later due to the paltry 25GB of available storage.
You don't need to buy an SD card (at least right now or if you don't intend to play DQH I/II). On the other hand, increasing the internal storage would increase the console's price relatively significantly whilst SD cards are fairly cheap.


And an unfounded prediction:
HD Rumble will go down as this generations power of the cloud; it's cool but forgettable.




On the other hand, I agree with some of the OP's points, even if not completely:
the Internet Browser and Activity Log are now gone.
Yes, this sucks, but it's not a deal-breaker for me, personally.
nor is there apps of any kind such as Netflix, YouTube, and Spotify. Nintendo publicly stated friend codes were going to be eliminated but that's not the case, they have made a return with even the most basic of messaging features being nonexistent.
I have no intention of using my Switch for these services, but including them would definitely help with versatility. These apps are more or less standard in a lot of devices connected to your TV today. Also friend codes can go die.
Accessories
You can debate worth but there's no denying the fact that the accessories are expensive. The feeling is amplified due to competitor items being priced much lower. Everything feels like an additional fee, from Nintendo not including a charging grip or mic with the Switch, needing the HORI Compact Playstand to charge and play your Switch in tabletop mode
You aren't forced to buy a pro-controller, but I do want one, and the price is throwing me off.
they also claim if you have a dead pixel on your Switch, it's not a defect.
A lot of electronics manufacturers deal with this similarly. I still think not calling it a defect is bullshit. It's more reasonable of a stance when you're dealing with high resolution displays (one or two dead pixels on a 4k tv are virtually unnoticeable, but on a 720p display? You betcha.). However, this is not a defect exclusive to the Switch. Nor is it common.


So while there are issues with the system's launch, I wouldn't call the launch a failure (if that's what OP is stating). The messaging has been quite clear in terms of the intention of the system. But its capabilities regarding internet, friends lists, and media is still up in the air after launch.
 
What Kind of discussion are we supposed to realistically have when you have people who end their contribution basically saying go 3rd party already Nintendo?

The System has its faults. Most of them are in the area of the OS. I'm not happy about things like Netflix and YouTube missing at launch but I'm also handling it like an adult and not pretending its apocalyptic.

I mean the Accessory pricing you can certainly feel are on the high side but lets not bullshit on the matter. The MSRP for both the PS4 and XBO Controllers are 59.99. Yes they go on sale so you can get them cheaper but they have also been on the market for several years now.
Achievements have been ignored for 3 Console Generations now. Nintendo lets developers do whatever they want in their game as far as achievements go but Nintendo has decided it is not giving system resources to Achievements. 3 Generations now. Time to move on if Achievements are that big a deal to you.
 
What really struck me today is how terribly designed that fucking stand is and I think it speaks to just how rushed this thing was as it is unfathomable they would design and add such a shitty fucking thing to an otherwise great hardware design. I tried to have the Switch stand on my bed while lying down and the damn thing would not. The surface has to be absolutely flat.

The minute I saw it in pictures I knew there would be an issue as one side would not be supported but my gosh it even worse once you try to use it. Fucking hell Nintendo...how do you fuck up a stand? How could a team of brilliant minds not see how terrible it is?

Look at this shit....


This is how it is if it is not on a totally flat surface....
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It's like they designed it to troll us. There is no other excuse.

Ok .. you do realize this thing is engineered to the extreme right? Because you are pointing out one arguably trivial thing on a machine that I would contest is the most versatile thing to ever come out in the history of this industry. We can focus on the stand, sure, but this thing is an engineering marvel tbh. Implying there isn't insane ingenuity here because of the stand is a bit crazy to me.
 
I love mine and really excited to see what happens with it in the future, but man the lack of Miiverse and the Activity Log sucks.

I'm sure Nintendo looked at the numbers and saw how few actually used Miiverse, but still. It was a great way to bring together the community and loved reading peoples posts and seeing screenshots/art.

I would still like to see Nintendo do achievements. For me,it's not a bragging thing as much as it's to show and remind yourself what games you've completed and when you did. Also, fun to compare with your friends. Again, it's probably a niche thing, but I enjoy looking at my friends achievements/trophies to see what games they had played and what not.

Also, Nintendo needs the Virtual Console on the Switch and it better have a carry over program. The thought of being out and about with a friend ,prop up the kickstand and play some Streets of Rage or Secret of Mana is just awesome.
 
Thats...not how value proposition works lol.

That's exactly how value proposition works, lol. A consumer will only buy a product or a service to which he can attach a subjective value, not a functional one. Since the Switch isn't a true competitor to the other two consoles, there is no value to oppose.
 
I really can't be arsed arguing with people who are determined that achievements are super important and a massive fail for anyone without mandatory achievements, in spite of the actual vast majority of the industry moving away from them and the amounts of research done that they are ultimately detrimental to a players enjoyment of games.

Go make a topic about how achievements are super awesome, and everyone should be forcibly locked into that system because watching bars fill up is the best thing about videogames if you want to, but I feel theres been a bunch of those lately already, and the general consensus is even a lot of people who used to care just don't any more.

They're built into Steam and its O/S.

And entirely optional.
There's no "My achievements" page - if you actually give a shit, you're going through individual game pages looking.

There's not even any guidelines on implementation - there are games on steam that can and do relock achievements that have already been completed, because nobody gives a fuck.

Achievements are compulsory both in being implemented at all, and also in the manner in which they are unlocked as part of console cert on Xbox and Playstation.

Uh the issue isn't making achievements mandatory, it's having a platform wide achievement system available to users and developers to take advantage of, which many of the services above do.

No, the people super into achievements want a mandatory system, because if a system is not mandatory then achievements "aren't worth anything".

Platform level achievement system and locking multiplayer behind a pay wall are two entirely different beasts. That's a pretty weak comparison.

Saying "oh but CONSOLE STANDARDS THO!" is disingenuous.
Proprietary memory cards were "console standards" because god forbid savegames were easily transferable or modifiable.
Until they weren't.
 
I guess you never bought a WiiU or a PS4/Vita?

Wii U was a low resolution mess.

Vita had a lack of appropriate shoulder buttons making remote play a nightmare for many titles. "Press the back of the units touchpad for R2"? No.

Not to mention buffering issues if your wifi connection wasn't perfect.

No. This is definitely something different playing on the TV and the portable and getting the same experience with the same controls.
 
There are some issues for sure. I think hardware wise I'm pretty impressed for the most part, save for the kick stand and the dock. Hd rumble is meh

The two controller thing, I like and it's been great for snipperclips, bomberman and 1-2 switch. It's uncomfortable for sure and not ideal but cool regardless. The fact that with 4 switches we could play 8 player bomberman was pretty sweet

I don't like the os like at all. Extremely barebones, there's a general lack of software, no apps etc.. I think Miiverse should be on the switch. update it a bit more and I could definitely see it thrive. Miiverse was sweet at the launch of wii u and I still like miiverse tbh. Zelda would've been the ultimate Miiverse game and I hope there's a lot of funny stuff coming from the Wii U players. Wii U launch is even better in this respect because there was WAY more functionality during it's launch and in the forthcoming weeks.

The overall package is not well polished. As seen with the numerous threads there are so many issues with this thing. The thing that actually happened to me and actually pisses me off is the dock... Retails for $90 and it's a piece of junk that scratches your console.

The console is VERY EXPENSIVE. Even more expensive than a ps4 pro imo. Because of all the extra shit you pretty much have to buy. The controllers, screen protector, carry case, memory card, games etc... It's crazy and again it's not polished product imo, too many issues. I mean you don't have to buy all this stuff, you could just get Zelda and go, but it's in the back of your mind. You already paid a crapload for the console and want to make sure that everything is gucci.

If you have a wii u definitely don't buy. Again I bought this because I traded in a few games and ended up paying $75 for my half of the system. Otherwise I woulda've returned it.

I'm still impressed by the switch unit itself. The overall design, and how sleek, small, and extremely light it is. Love the console design and it's absolutely jarring when compared to my xbox one s. But perhaps it should be compared to handhelds instead, which is still very high quality. Just too expensive.

I'm also disappointed because they had quite some time to iron shit out; the wii u has been dead for nearly 2 years. There was a lot of hype going in and expectations. In some ways they were met but I expected them to iron out all the crinkles and have a quality product out with little to no faults.
 
Assassins Creed 4 with the PS4 and Xbone.

Plenty of other consoles have launched with great games before. Halo, Soul Caliber, Rogue Squadron 2, Call of Duty 2, Mario 64 etc... Most in fact have several, Zelda is great but its pretty objective to say the switch has one of the worst launch game lineups in the history of consoles.

Halo and Mario 64 I'd put on the same pedestal as BotW as far as launch games go. If the Switch were to hypothetically launch with a game of the same quality and scale as any of those others you've mentioned the backlash would be more severe.
 
It's way too early to complaint about anything that you're complaining about, imho. Name me ONE console who had a kick ass, over 50 solid hours gameplay game like Zelda BotW at launch.

That's right.

Twilight Princess was north of 50. Halo was the killer app to end all killer apps and that's like infinite entertainment value. But to be fair, I get your larger point. One really good game is better than a dozen shitty ones.
 
I just don't understand this crazy need to have Netflix and web browsers on video game consoles. Same with Virtual Console. Why get this system to play old games when there are other systems to play them on? They're old games, folks. It's a crazy negative that I just don't see the value in when so many other devices do the same thing. I thought it was great that Nintendo focused on games first. It's a game system, that's what it does. If you want to use Netflix, then use one of the many other devices to do that. If you want to play games, then do that on the NS.

Those things are just not negatives. That said, all of those things will be coming down the line. If they're THAT important to you, then wait until they're added.

I do think that the OS is too simplified. I get that they wanted to keep it extremely simple, but it lacks any real charm like other Nintendo consoles. Some people like this minimalist approach, but I think that it's a little too simple. Some cool themes or something on launch day would have been nice to have. Where the hell is the eShop music? It's little things like that. I appreciate how snappy it is, but I wish it didn't have to lose some Nintendo charm to get that.
 
I was hyped a fuck when the Switch was first shown and was going to be a day 1 buyer. But the closest we got to release I just kept on hearing more and more deal breakers as outlined in the OP. Now that it's released I'm hearing even more stupid stuff with this system!

None of my major gripes are to do with systems power or price, but it's the shit online (and charging for it down the track), the lack of games, the barebones features, the stripped out features and some of the lies like no friend codes.
 
IOS has gamecentre and Android has Google Play Services.

Literally no platform except Xbox and Playstation have mandatory achievements.

Probably easier to read what someone has actually said before talking about how people should post.

Honestly it doesn't matter if achievements are only mandatory on the Playstation and Xbox.

Their 2 competitors in the console space have mandatory achievements. Every other gaming platform has built in achievements in some capacity. Nintendo needed to have them - and make them mandatory - for the Switch and they didn't.

And this is coming from someone who only plays on PC and Nintendo system and doesn't care about achievements.
 
Nintendo needed to have them - and make them mandatory - for the Switch and they didn't.

If Nintendo were making an x86 black box permanently connected to a TV to ape and compete with the other x86 black boxes permanently connected to a TV maybe.

But they didn't.
 
The OS is the best they've ever done. Super fast, responsive, simple, and not bloated. Yes, it's missing Netflix, but that's hardly an OS issue.
 
I really can't be arsed arguing with people who are determined that achievements are super important and a massive fail for anyone without mandatory achievements, in spite of the actual vast majority of the industry moving away from them and the amounts of research done that they are ultimately detrimental to a players enjoyment of games.

Go make a topic about how achievements are super awesome, and everyone should be forcibly locked into that system because watching bars fill up is the best thing about videogames if you want to, but I feel theres been a bunch of those lately already, and the general consensus is even a lot of people who used to care just don't any more.



And entirely optional.
There's no "My achievements" page - if you actually give a shit, you're going through individual game pages looking.

There's not even any guidelines on implementation - there are games on steam that can and do relock achievements that have already been completed, because nobody gives a fuck.

Achievements are compulsory both in being implemented at all, and also in the manner in which they are unlocked as part of console cert on Xbox and Playstation.



No, the people super into achievements want a mandatory system, because if a system is not mandatory then achievements "aren't worth anything".



Saying "oh but CONSOLE STANDARDS THO!" is disingenuous.
Proprietary memory cards were "console standards" because god forbid savegames were easily transferable or modifiable.
Until they weren't.
There's a section where your rarest achievements are shown on your profile page in steamfor others to see. Honestly how in the fuck do ou talk about shit you have no understanding of and expect people to see your point? "OH BUT POSTING STANDARDS THO!"
 
Can I play all my VC eShop games like super Metroid on switch? That's a feature which might make me want a switch right now instead of later.
 
Hardware failure for those experiencing and some over-pricing are the only real failure in my eyes. Most of the rest of the complaints in the OP are subjective, due to work-in-progress that doesn't really affect the existing crop of games, or an extreme over-reaction to lack of a personal preference (d-pad).
 
I'm also annoyed with the OS. I get a new system and I want to mess around with it and use some features. There is absolutely nothing to do. Like come on.
 
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