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soul creator said:
that's already been done (at least, strictly on the mp3 player aspect)

I own and love both my iPhone 4 and Zune 120GB :P
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The Zune is a lovely MP3 player, with great software. However it doesn't have apps, it doesn't have games. Both of these are pretty crucial to the success of the Touch. With the launch of the new Touch, the Zune HD is pretty feature bare.

Also the Zune HD isn't available outside of the U.S. and the software is Windows only. Microsoft is clearly in no position to compete with the Touch.
 
AvidNobody said:
Wait... It's actually greyed out for me, not letting me click the button.

Sorry, I literally am using 7 for the first time:D
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Navigate to the original directory of iTunes - c/program files/itunes (?). go to the program and create a shortcut on your desktop. you should be able to change that, then pin that to the taskbar.
 
So ive searched on the net, but i cant seem to find a good answer on this, As the search string i put bring up very generic Iphone/Ipad sites.

So, lets say i bought an Iphone4 off of ebay but i want to use a data plan. would it be possible to somehow use the Ipad Micro sim card to get a data plan on the iphone4.
I know that there are adapters, and ways of cutting the sim so as to make it fit into either or. Im just curious as to whether it'd be possible to get the data plan to actually work.

Anyone here know if thats possible, or come across any sites/forums where they talk about this.

Basically, Im trying to use the Iphone4 as a small Ipad.
 
Big Ass Ramp said:
10th-14th.If you're going to spend the coin on a Touch, you might as well get sometthing that will definitely last you for the long haul. Go for the 64gb, don't risk it with the 32gb.
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That's what I'm thinking, I'll be using this for 3-4 years. Maybe I should just drop an extra $100 so I won't regret it in the future and I can be stress free about room.

Good thing is I have a $225 gift card for BestBuy, so the iPod will only cost me $175 :)
 
whitehawk said:
That's what I'm thinking, I'll be using this for 3-4 years. Maybe I should just drop an extra $100 so I won't regret it in the future and I can be stress free about room.

Good thing is I have a $225 gift card for BestBuy, so the iPod will only cost me $175 :)
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That's always the advice I give when someone asks what size to buy. Better to regret the $100 than not having enough room.
 
Yup, I ended up going with the 64GB version after initially ordering the 32GB version once Amazon dropped the price to $383.99. I know I'm going to take a lot of HD video and want to put several episodes of Office, Modern Family, Seinfeld and Community on the little thing.

Also, you punks. I never would paid attention to this freaking iTunes icon on my computer, but now with all of you buggers complaining about it I can't help but look at it with contempt. :lol
 
Xun said:
Where did you get this?

I would make one myself, but I'm just lazy. :lol

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Zunes do not work on Macs, so it's pointless mentioning them in an Apple thread.

They do look sweet though.
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http://iconfactory.com/freeware

It's right there on the main screen. I like it way better. I may try out that one posted a few back and see how that goes it looks nice.
 
I'm surprised that my comments about breaking up iTunes got so many negative responses. I not used to advising Apple fans (it's usually the other way around) that not using an app that does many things poorly is the guide to computing happiness. Hmm...
Sean said:
I agree that iTunes is kinda bloated, but splitting it up into three separate apps like that would just be ridiculous and not user-friendly at all. Sales from the iTunes Store would plummet if it was broken up into a separate app for example.

I don't think Apple needs to necessarily strip out a ton of iTunes features, it just needs a rewrite and "rethinking" of how things are done. This app started out as purely a music player and they tacked on a ton of extra things over the years - podcasts, movies/TV shows, ringtones, books, apps, etc. It just needs to be redesigned with all that stuff in mind IMO.
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Possible plummeting sales of the iTunes store is not my problem (I doubt that would happen).

The problem with suggesting just a redesign is that software created for many different uses is usually complex and not noob friendly. Such a redesign also doesn't tackle the problem of feature creep and merely puts a band-aid on it instead. It's hard to develop an app with so many disparate features without committing some cardinal sins of UI design. One pitfall that iTunes falls into is the required use of different modes for the different types of media (e.g. pressing the space bar can result in different actions depending on mode changes). The buttons are designed for a music player and some of them are grayed out when browsing the books, apps or even the radio section. A redesign can't change the fact that books, apps, music etc are used differently and each requires easily accessible interaction tools that very different.

LCfiner said:
I think you should think about what you just said for a second and what this means for a first time iPhone owner who has a windows PC at home. (let’s assume Mac users get these apps built-in from the store)

they get their brand new iPhone and they want to start using it. So they need to go to Apple.com and…


download and install iMusic store
download and install iBookstore
download and install iMoviestore
download and install App store
download and install iSync
download and install media player

Great, I want to get some music. I need to use the iMusicstore shortcut from the desktop. click. new window opens. I buy some music. now I want to listen to it.

Do I then have to open another Apple app to listen to this music? click on new shortcut and open another app for playing music.

Oh, I also want to rent Kick-ass and sync that. I need to click on the iMoviestore link. then rent the movie. if I want to start watching it?

I need to switch to the media player app.

OH WAIT. you suggest ANOTHER player for movies. shit, I forgot to download that. back to Apple.com (ok, I’m exaggerating here but it’s still kinda nuts that a media player needs to be split up into music and video. what about music videos? brain... melting...)

Time to get this shit onto the iPhone! Heck yeah

then I need to open up iSync separately from this and hook up the iPhone and select the movie I just downloaded onto the iPhone. Oh, and I want apps of course, so I need to click on the App store shortcut.

so you got, let’s see, 6 (!) windows on your screen, 6 icons in the start bar and, the kicker here, the iSync app still needs to read a master database (or a collection of databases - yikes) to get all this disparate media onto the single iPhone. the underlying logic as to how iTunes works is still there!



You’re a smart poster but in this case, I really think you’re looking at it the wrong way, thinking that somehow breaking up the components will make them all faster and make the experience easier.

I think it will make the experience MORE complex and it’s doubtful that each component will even be faster. In fact, all the window switching and cognitive load to know which app to use will waste more time than the current 2-3 second delay to open up the iTunes store from within iTunes.
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Apple can easily make sure that the users have all the required apps by offering them as a bundle (in a similar way to how iLife is presented). Or they could sneakily downloading it for them with an iTunes update ;)

I expect iPhone users to be the most comfortable with the concept of breaking up iTunes. On iOS the functionality of MacOSX iTunes have already been spread across separate apps: AppStore, iTunes, iBooks and iPod (subdivided into 'Music' and 'Videos' on the iPad and iPod Touch). Isn't the iPad supposed to be simpler and more easier that a MacBook? An new iPhone user would only have to glance at the icons on the iOS device and find the corresponding icons on the desktop to get the apps do. There is better app integration on the desktops so links from the Music app to Videos app to the iTunes app can easily be embedded each other.

I'm ambivalent on whether there should be one separate iStore app or if each store should be embedded in the relevant media app (itunes in ipod, bookstore in ibooks, appstore in isync...)

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Almost forgot what I came here for:
Is the TomTom car kit worth it for iPod Touch users (does the new iPod Touch fit in it)? Is there a better accessory out there to provide GPS on the road?
 
Charred Greyface said:
I'm surprised that my comments about breaking up iTunes got so many negative responses. I not used to advising Apple fans (it's usually the other way around) that not using an app that does many things poorly is the guide to computing happiness. Hmm...
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Damn dude, that's the most Marty Chinn comment I've ever seen you make.

Splitting iTunes isn't any more necessary than it would be to split different websites out of Safari because they're all different. I think you're getting hung up on the iTunes name as well as how everything has just been taped onto the end of iTunes's ass over the years, which is a real problem but isn't the end of the world nor worth so much debate.

For all the splitting iOS does, it also does iTunes-style compartmentalizing, such as video and photos from the camera being in the Photos app.
 
Charred Greyface said:
The problem with suggesting just a redesign is that software created for many different uses is usually complex and not noob friendly. Such a redesign also doesn't tackle the problem of feature creep and merely puts a band-aid on it instead. It's hard to develop an app with so many disparate features without committing some cardinal sins of UI design.
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OH MY GOD, FEATURES. WHEN WILL DEVELOPERS LEARN AND STOP INCLUDING THEM?

One of the primary functions of iTunes is iPod/iPhone support. Everything it does beyond music and movies is to that end.
 
Charred Greyface said:
I expect iPhone users to be the most comfortable with the concept of breaking up iTunes. On iOS the functionality of MacOSX iTunes have already been spread across separate apps: AppStore, iTunes, iBooks and iPod (subdivided into 'Music' and 'Videos' on the iPad and iPod Touch). Isn't the iPad supposed to be simpler and more easier that a MacBook? An new iPhone user would only have to glance at the icons on the iOS device and find the corresponding icons on the desktop to get the apps do. There is better app integration on the desktops so links from the Music app to Videos app to the iTunes app can easily be embedded each other.
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So many iPod/iPhone/iPad users just treat their computer/iTunes as their charging station at the end of the night, and the fact that simply plugging it in to your computer with iTunes syncs everything (and backs up everything) is a big part of the user-friendliness of these devices. I don't like the idea of opening up 4 applications to get everything synced across (and do I have to open Calendar, iPhoto, Mail, and Address Book to sync my calendar, photos, mail, and contacts?).

I think iTunes needs to be improved, I don't think it should be broken up.
 
Are people still whining about the new iTunes icon? :lol It's just an icon, get over it and over your embarrassing nerd rage. Disliking default icons isn't anything new. That's why CandyBar exists and why people make custom icons.
 
numble said:
So many iPod/iPhone/iPad users just treat their computer/iTunes as their charging station at the end of the night, and the fact that simply plugging it in to your computer with iTunes syncs everything (and backs up everything) is a big part of the user-friendliness of these devices. I don't like the idea of opening up 4 applications to get everything synced across (and do I have to open Calendar, iPhoto, Mail, and Address Book to sync my calendar, photos, mail, and contacts?).

I think iTunes needs to be improved, I don't think it should be broken up.
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Not to sync them, but to edit your Calendar and address book you do. But if they are already updated, simply plugging in your iDevice will let it sync and update using only iTunes.
 
I had no idea Apple was adding more Bluetooth features in 4.1 :D

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Enhanced Bluetooth audio playback:

As we reported back in mid-July, iOS 4.1 brings full AVRCP bluetooth playback. This enhanced bluetooth protocol allows for more audio controls via bluetooth such as skipping forward, back, and volume. Before iOS 4.1 only volume controls were supported by bluetooth car stereo systems and such.
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I've been waiting on Jaybird to bring out the Bluebuds but now I'll start looking for another model with a microphone... Apple really should make a new headset.


Hitokage said:
OH MY GOD, FEATURES. WHEN WILL DEVELOPERS LEARN AND STOP INCLUDING THEM?

One of the primary functions of iTunes is iPod/iPhone support. Everything it does beyond music and movies is to that end.
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The features will still be there except spread across separate, more focused apps. I'm not one of those hardcore mac developers who insist on cutting out features to 'improve' the experience...

PhoncipleBone said:
numble said:
So many iPod/iPhone/iPad users just treat their computer/iTunes as their charging station at the end of the night, and the fact that simply plugging it in to your computer with iTunes syncs everything (and backs up everything) is a big part of the user-friendliness of these devices. I don't like the idea of opening up 4 applications to get everything synced across (and do I have to open Calendar, iPhoto, Mail, and Address Book to sync my calendar, photos, mail, and contacts?).

I think iTunes needs to be improved, I don't think it should be broken up.
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Not to sync them, but to edit your Calendar and address book you do. But if they are already updated, simply plugging in your iDevice will let it sync and update using only iTunesAppstore/iSync.
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Exactly. The syncing app (or redesigned iTunes) will be able to pull data from the other apps.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Exactly. The syncing app (or redesigned iTunes) will be able to pull data from the other apps.
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Um, it already does. I was saying that before, but to EDIT the calendar data and contacts you need to open those programs. iTunes already pulls their info to put on your iDevices if you check the lil box on the sync window.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Um, it already does. I was saying that before, but to EDIT the calendar data and contacts you need to open those programs. iTunes already pulls their info to put on your iDevices if you check the lil box on the sync window.
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I'm agreeing with you and adding that if the Syncing functionality was moved from iTunes to separate app (iSync) it should still work the same way.
 
Charred Greyface said:
I'm agreeing with you and adding that if the Syncing functionality was moved from iTunes to separate app (iSync) it should still work the same way.
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it still makes no sense. I am sorry, but it is easier just having the all in one app like we have now than to open so many different things.
 
To clarify my position, Charred, it can't be done because of Windows. Apple can split the functionality up on iPhone because it controls the platform entirely, and it works in a single screen app environment.

They can't break up the desktop iTunes because it would cause massive problems on the Windows side. The end users would be confused and Apple would lose it's competitive advantage. A bundle is not the answer, look at how irritated Windows users get by Bonjour and QuickTime tagging along with iTunes as it is. If you bundle it in pieces, you'd have people installing it in pieces, no matter how you distribute it.

And like I said, there is no gain. Nothing you've described gives any benefit at all to the normal user. This is what I imagine Liu Kang meant comparing you to Marty. What does this massive market breaking overhaul get us?
 
PhoncipleBone said:
it still makes no sense. I am sorry, but it is easier just having the all in one app like we have now than to open so many different things.
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Well, I'm so dissatisfied with iTunes that I've already switched to opening "so many different things" instead. I sometimes use ecoute to play music files but more often Vox gets the job done (especially since the flac plugin for iTunes no longer works). Multiplex is the preferred interface for my video collection. I used to play video podcasts, downloaded through iTunes, with Quicktime/VLC but iTunes 10 uses the QuicktimeX style window so that's no longer necessary. Podcasts are downloaded on my smartphone anyway (and previously NetNewsWire on the laptop) while iTunes is for the episodes I decide to keep. Internet radio can be streamed with Snowtape (but, again, any decent smartphone can suffice). I use Calibre to manage my ebooks. I sync third party apps on my iPhone and iPad with DiskAid. I grab pictures off my iPhone with Image Capture. All I use iTunes for now is for backing up the iDevices (a fucking chore) and storing some music, podcasts and apps.

Tobor said:
To clarify my position, Charred, it can't be done because of Windows. Apple can split the functionality up on iPhone because it controls the platform entirely, and it works in a single screen app environment.

They can't break up the desktop iTunes because it would cause massive problems on the Windows side. The end users would be confused and Apple would lose it's competitive advantage. A bundle is not the answer, look at how irritated Windows users get by Bonjour and QuickTime tagging along with iTunes as it is. If you bundle it in pieces, you'd have people installing it in pieces, no matter how you distribute it.

And like I said, there is no gain. Nothing you've described gives any benefit at all to the normal user. This is what I imagine Liu Kang meant comparing you to Marty. What does this massive market breaking overhaul get us?
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Well iTunes is a pos on Windows and normal users are already complaining about it. Besides Bonjour and Quicktime, Apple also puts in Safari and Software Update along with iTunes and 'normal users don't' care (which is sad). They won't get confused because they've been trained by their iPod Touch and iPhone to recognize the different apps. They'll learn quickly and get over it anyway; they'll be confused for a day and be better off for years.

What the break up will get us is lightweight, more tightly focused apps. Faster updates too (hopefully). More polished interfaces geared towards each particular function. *shrug*
 
Charred Greyface said:
What the break up will get us is lightweight, more tightly focused apps. Faster updates too (hopefully). More polished interfaces geared towards each particular function. *shrug*
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Faster updates won't happen if they break up iTunes. Apple shifts around their people to work on things that are higher on the priority list. Trying to update 6 different apps that tie to the same devices is a logistical nightmare.

The way Apple does things with their teams works for a majority of their projects, especially when compared to a company like Microsoft, who has dedicated teams to projects.
 
Do people really have these serious performance issues with iTunes? I was running it on a Core Duo (1.83 GHZ) iMac with 2 GB of RAM and the performance was fine.
 
Maybe someone over here can answer this little question:

What is the screen resolution of the new awesome iPod nano model?

I suppose the resolution of the new iPod touch is equal to iPhone 4.
 
KeiichiInafune said:
Anyone else have their4th gen iPod Touch ship out today? :D . I'm so excited its been pure hell on my iPod Touch 2nd gen with iOS4, so much so I had to jailbreak it to get SBSettings so I could free up memory without rebooting the device every 30 mins.
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Cool, thanks for the heads up, I just checked my status and it says it shipped today too via FedEx. A little confused, I'd spent the extra $ for next day shipping, yet something shipped today isn't set to arrive until the 9th?? KeiichiInafune, did you do the same?
 
shantyman said:
Do people really have these serious performance issues with iTunes? I was running it on a Core Duo (1.83 GHZ) iMac with 2 GB of RAM and the performance was fine.
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Fine on Macs. Would run terribly on Windows with those specs.

Splitting up iTunes is a terrible terrible idea and I am anything but an apple fan.
 
I just got a brand new Asus laptop that only has 1.3 GHz (dual processor) and it runs my iTunes really great. I have like 60+ GB of music and it loads in a matter of seconds.
 
Firestorm said:
Fine on Macs. Would run terribly on Windows with those specs.

Splitting up iTunes is a terrible terrible idea and I am anything but an apple fan.
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I'm on Vista. iTunes was never "speedy" before, never anything to complain about though. However, 10 seems to be run a little faster. Don't lynch me, I like the new icon :lol
 
Glass Joe said:
Cool, thanks for the heads up, I just checked my status and it says it shipped today too via FedEx. A little confused, I'd spent the extra $ for next day shipping, yet something shipped today isn't set to arrive until the 9th?? KeiichiInafune, did you do the same?
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I did 2 day and mine has an estimated arrival of Sept 9th too. I think it's because it's shipping from Kunshan, China and not anywhere in the US.
 
shantyman said:
Do people really have these serious performance issues with iTunes? I was running it on a Core Duo (1.83 GHZ) iMac with 2 GB of RAM and the performance was fine.
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It runs fine on macs.
Try running it on a non dual core in Windows. It is an absolutely bloated mess of a program.
 
KeiichiInafune said:
I did 2 day and mine has an estimated arrival of Sept 9th too. I think it's because it's shipping from Kunshan, China and not anywhere in the US.
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Oh, okay. Either way it's a day sooner than I expected so that's cool. Ha I saw it was shipping from CN and assumed that meant Canada.
 
Anyone else ordered an Apple TV? I've not owned any of the earlier models, but I figured for $99 it would be a good choice for media streaming integration into my home theater. I've upgraded my home network to Wireless N in preparation for all the streaming goodness so now I'm just waiting for the units to ship. The wait is killing me!
 
Gouken said:
i still don't understand, why doesn't the iPhone bluetooth support file transfer??? :(
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Apple only got around to enabling file transfers between iOS applications on 4.0. It's difficult designing a system to transfer files without exposing users to the filesystem as Apple has decided to do. That's assuming Apple even has Bluetooth filesharing on their agenda... For what it's worth, you can jailbreak and setup filesharing via Bluetooth (even back on iOS 3.x)
 
BdoUK said:
Anyone else ordered an Apple TV? I've not owned any of the earlier models, but I figured for $99 it would be a good choice for media streaming integration into my home theater. I've upgraded my home network to Wireless N in preparation for all the streaming goodness so now I'm just waiting for the units to ship. The wait is killing me!
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Yeah, I have it on order. I've been ripping DVDs that I plan to keep boxed up in preparation.
 
Anyone order a touch off of Amazon yet? I want to know if it says when you should get it. I'd end up saving like 30 bucks buying it off Amazon with tax and all that but I'm impatient and would rather drive to the Apple store. I imagine they are getting them in very soon.
 
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