"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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neurosisxeno said:
Funny thing, you only hear about these problems in states that declined the Medicaid expansion. Want to guess why?
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I'm not going to act like I know absolutely everything, but what I do know is that the last provider for the ACA in my state is Humana and they are now withdrawing due to, "loss." My state isn't the only state with this problem and there is no denying that premiums are sky rocketing. If this keeps up, eventually, the ACA will be repealed and not replaced.
 
smokeymicpot said:
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From Costas interview.
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http://www.politico.com/video/2017/03/trumps-campaign-promises-to-swiftly-repeal-obamacare-062582
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Repealing Obamacare was the thing he ran on the hardest, maybe 2nd only to the Wall. This is a massive loss for Trump and it's eating at him. He's a loser.
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eeeh I doubt he cared much either way. he is there for the tax cuts and regulations, the former of which, admittedly, would have been helped by repealing obamacare, but still
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
"We're not in power. Trump has both presidency and Congress." I'm not sure Dems need to say that they're not in power, but I guess that would be easy enough.
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Trump just deflected this to Democrats. It surely will be regurgitate by spicer, beritbat, and Fox news. And just might get to town halls.

It needs to be highlighted that this is the fault of the Republican party.
 
There are over 30 more Republicans in the house than Democrats. Nobody believes Trump, relax. Democrats weren't elected to repeal the ACA, Republicans were

I'm more curious about what Paul Ryan promised him to get him to back off Republicans and pull the vote
 
This is how you get Trump and his goons. They need to fail on their campaign promises and those failures used against them when they run for re-election. Trump's mind is already on his second term. Keep fucking with his future. It's the only thing he cares about.
 
I don't know what you're all so excited about. The Obamacare repeal passed without a single vote opposing it. The media are just reporting fake votes.
 
commedieu said:
Trump just deflected this to Democrats. It surely will be regurgitate by spicer, beritbat, and Fox news. And just might get to town halls.

It needs to be highlighted that this is the fault of the Republican party.
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Spicer, Brietbart, and Fox News aren't interested in facts. They'll say whatever they want no matter what.

People affected by ACA in town halls will pick up on Trump implying "let it crumble," though. Town Halls have been heated in the GOP already. Very heated. They're not getting a free pass even now.
 
How do Trump's supporters rationalize his ability to simply ignore their suffering just so he can say that the ACA... I'm sorry, OBUMMERCARE, failed on it's own while he sits by and does nothing? Is this leadership to them?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
He absolutely cares about what people think about him and how he is viewed.
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Yeah, I don't really see how you can spin this. He campaigned hard for this before the general and stuck his neck on the line for this in the past couple of weeks. I mean, I'm sure they'll try to pin this on Ryan, and it might even work a bit. But honestly, there were plenty of stories of him making the hard sell on this personally trying to get it passed. This absolutely should be a big blow to him.
 
commedieu said:
Trump just deflected this to Democrats. It surely will be regurgitate by spicer, beritbat, and Fox news. And just might get to town halls.

It needs to be highlighted that this is the fault of the Republican party.
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I don't think having democrats come out and say "it didn't fail because of us" gets the right point across. That almost makes it sound like they supported it and did everything in their power to support it.
 
Saint Gregory said:
How do Trump's supporters rationalize his ability to simply ignore their suffering just so he can say that the ACA... I'm sorry, OBUMMERCARE, failed on it's own while he sits by and does nothing? Is this leadership to them?
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It hasn't happened yet. Trump is betting that when it does, people will blame Obama and not him. History shows otherwise
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
Spicer, Brietbart, and Fox News aren't interested in facts. They'll say whatever they want no matter what.

People affected by ACA in town halls will pick up on Trump implying "let it crumble," though. Town Halls have been heated in the GOP already. Very heated. They're not getting a free pass even now.
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This is what I hope you're right on. I hope to God these people will start putting pressure on Republicans and don't let them pass the buck or swallow lies.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Yeah, I don't really see how you can spin this. He campaigned hard for this before the general and stuck his neck on the line for this in the past couple of weeks. I mean, I'm sure they'll try to pin this on Ryan, and it might even work a bit. But honestly, there were plenty of stories of him making the hard sell on this personally trying to get it passed. This absolutely should be a big blow to him.
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It's a tough blow, but so what? Is it going to lead to an impeachment? It will hurt the GOP in 2018 for sure. But him losing constantly isn't going to get him out of office early. Even if his support went to 0, he'd still have exec power for the remainder of his term. Unless it means an impeachment due to a 2018 congress shift.
 
ferr said:
I don't think having democrats come out and say "it didn't fail because of us" gets the right point across. That almost makes it sound like they supported it and did everything in their power to support it.
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Yeah. I mean I get that a lot of people are low-information. But for anybody that follows politics even a little, this dog doesn't hunt. How can you blame your bill that attempted to replace the opposition's old law on lack of opposition support? Democrats were never on the record as in favor of getting rid of the ACA. The roadmap to getting this passed assumed no democratic support.
 
ferr said:
It's a tough blow, but so what? Is it going to lead to an impeachment? It will hurt the GOP in 2018 for sure. But him losing constantly isn't going to get him out of office early. Even if his support went to 0, he'd still have exec power for the remainder of his term.
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So what?

More people keep health care they tried to remove the 10 basic medical benifits. Still didn't work.

Steve Youngblood said:
Yeah. I mean I get that a lot of people are low-information. But for anybody that follows politics even a little, this dog doesn't hunt. How can you blame your bill that attempted to replace the opposition's old law on lack of opposition support? Democrats were never on the record as in favor of getting rid of the ACA. The roadmap to getting this passed assumed no democratic support.
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This is deja vu, because I remember thinking Hillary Clinton was going to win because people had sense.

It won't hurt to highlight this.
 
Socivol said:
Most of those are Red States so if ACA explodes it's going to effect those conservative states even more.
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That's intentional. They think if they hamstring the ACA as much as possible and force it to be a failure people will think it's fundamentally flawed. The reason Red States get screwed more is because they didn't expand Medicaid, so thousands of people who should be on Medicaid are signing up through the exchanges. This results in a lot of poor sick people who the Federal Government should be on the hook for being forced into the pool with everyone else and driving up the cost of Premiums, since they are unreliable when it comes to payment and are often sick more frequently than higher earners.

All of this also ignores a poison pill that (R-FL) Marco Rubio put in place that has been doing a ton of damage.
The risk corridors were intended to help some insurance companies if they ended up with too many new sick people on their rolls and too little cash from premiums to cover their medical bills in the first three years under the health law. But because of Mr. Rubio's efforts, the administration says it will pay only 13 percent of what insurance companies were expecting to receive this year. The payments were supposed to help insurers cope with the risks they assumed when they decided to participate in the law's new insurance marketplaces.

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Then the numbers rolled in from the insurance exchanges' first year of operation: Losses were so steep that insurance-company requests for risk corridor payments were $2.9 billion, compared with only $362 million paid into the program by profitable plans.

Mr. Rubio says he "saved taxpayers $2.5 billion" — the difference between those two amounts — because his measure prevented the government from using other sources of money for the risk corridor payments.
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ferr said:
It's a tough blow, but so what? Is it going to lead to an impeachment? It will hurt the GOP in 2018 for sure. But him losing constantly isn't going to get him out of office early. Even if his support went to 0, he'd still have exec power for the remainder of his term.
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That's... kind of the point. I don't even really understand your post. While an impeachment or resignation would certainly be welcome, that's not really necessary at this point. Just seeing him fail is about as much as you can hope for. Taking your point one step further, I could ask you the same question. "OK, they've proven that Donald Trump was colluding with the Russians and he's getting impeached. So what? You're just getting Mike Pence in charge."
 
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