Dee Dah Dave
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Problem with native 4K vs checkerboard is that it will effectively close the gap between Scorpio and Pro. Leaving not much room for better graphics, which would be a far easier sell.
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SneakersSO
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GTAV on Sony's stage in 2013 wasn't a remaster - it hadn't launched yet. The remaster was in 2014. And the PS3 bundle for GTAV, announced at E32013, wound up being so popular it created one of the handful of months the PS3 actually outsold the 360 in the US.
so it doesn't count?
LukasTaves
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Why didn't they chose Monday? Thursday is so far away
MosquitoSmasher
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Yup that's the one. We probably shouldn't expect to see Scorpio footage anytime soon. But you never know.
It's likely probably just going to be an interview Thursday right?
Since they're still going hard with the native 4K thing, I suspect all software shown at the reveal to be runny at native 4K on Scorpio. That should be a given at this point, right?
True which is why I believe that checkerboard 4K on Scorpio will also be the way to go for freeing up resources for more bells & whistles. It would be the smarter choice, development wise no?
Not if they expand that to real 4k assets. Resolution is only half of it 4K textures with the extra ram will be much more noticeable than native vs checkerboard.
MeisterLeder
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So? They announced a bundle... wow....
The trailer released on the Rockstar site during E3.
Why are some of you you so obsessed that RDR2 will appear on the Sony stage?
Not everyone believes that.
Back 2 topic i would say.
Jimmyfenix
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specs tech talk and maybe forza according to jez
SneakersSO
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Eh, not necessarily - devs are still going to choose to create assets, and most importantly, carve out design resources against the LCD, which is the PS4 & X1. Take a game like HZD running at 1080p: outside of HDR (which is the bigger visual leap this generation imo, not 4K) the game looks pretty similar to one another when comparing the two side by side, and that is a 1st party game designed to make use of the hardware. There are some things that help make these experiences look better on Pro, and you'll see some of those same things on X1 games on Scorpio, but the biggest thing you can do to make the Scorpio/Pro upgrade worthwhile is to get a HDR10/4K TV purchase, cause that is what these machines are built for primarily.
Devs & pubs are going to make the overwhelming majority of their returns on PS4/X1 for the foreseeable future, so there is no incentive for them to design towards the higher spec machines, especially if their adoption rate is going to be niche compared to the base platform they are respectively leap frogging.
Dee Dah Dave
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Yeah I think they will do that once things get going. In launch period where timings are tight and they want to make a statement, native 4K is an easy option. If the big multiplats this holiday are all true 4K on Xbox but not on PSPro then that's quite impactful I suppose.
But some form of checkerboard / dynamic is probably the best compromise overall to get the most out of the system.
Enjoy your 30GB Gears 4 patch
SneakersSO
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Cause Sony has literally come out & said they have a deal in place for RDR 2 that is wholly extensive literally with the announcement of the game itself? That isn't a move a platform holder normally does, and the last few times Sony has done a similar extensive marketing deal for a game like this, they have showcased the game at their stage at E3.
Actually your the only one. But all signs point that the game will be on Sony stage. Trailer and so on.
Colbert
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It depends on the game and native 4K is the less complex render option. I expect multiplats that are releasing on PC too will all be native 4K on the Scorpio as it is a 1:1 port of the render solution. Saves time and budget as the dev has also to optimize for the lower tier platforms as PS4 Pro, PS4, Xbox One S and Xbox One (in order of descending tiers).
Edit:
Sorry I forgot to mention Nintendo Switch.
Darklor01
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Well, maybe, maybe not. I remember a statement being made about one of the MS Guys playing their first full Scorpio game and that it looked/ran great, so, maybe they will show footage, maybe they'll say things, but I'd expect them to hold off pricing and other information until their pre-E3 conference assuming they have one.
I'd say they have nothing to lose by announcing pricing now, but that might just open the door to Sony changing up pricing to make the Pro more attractive.
SneakersSO
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Like I said in an earlier post, RDR2, along with CoD WW2, Destiny 2, & SWBF2 will all be mentioned during MS' E3 conference as titles that will be native 4K this fall, only on Scorpio. MS is allowed to mention/sell features that they get that isn't available on another platform. For example, the EA Early Access on X1, mentioned by MS for Star Wars Battlefront despite the marketing deal Sony had for it.
Backfoggen
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Better textures at 4k are gonna be a big thing I bet. Very high res textures look stunning at 4k. The additional RAM allows for that.
Jimmyfenix
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This would happen anyway since MS always goes first at E3
Jaguar Victory
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It's worth it.
will people be okay with 40GB patches though?
Colbert
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This is how exactly it will happen.
wesleyshark
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I've got the space. I'm good with it.
Dee Dah Dave
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Yes we need the final specs and to see it in action to really determine how much of a 'monster' it is. The extra speedy RAM should go a long way though.
Backfoggen
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Probably not. If Microsoft is smart they make it so you have to opt-in to those.
wesleyshark
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Lol you asked a question, and I was answering it?
rokkerkory
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If that was the case, we wouldn't see much difference between 900p and 1080p. Most consumers can't see this difference but this machine is for the hardcore so they would definitely be able to tell.
On every Scorpio game? Because unless they decide to start doing multi-disc releases then the 4K Texture Pack downloads will be huge. MS can't use UHD blu rays for games
hanspampel
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handcrafted for digital goods sounds just ridiculous
code is code. if done by a human, programm, or ape does not change anything
you could argue about graphic assets that needs to be drawn etc, and all that handmade stuff, but it still sounds weird
and if you state it as handcrafted to take full advantage of hardware, it sounds even more ridiculous and negates my previous point. the hardware has nothing to do with the handcrafted work that needs to be done for video games.
"developed on Ps4 as lead platform to take full advantage of it's hardware capabilities" would be a perfectly fine statement. but this one they used is just one to laugh about
I don't necessarily mean to harp on you. Of course there will be people that are fine with it but just one person chiming in and saying "I'm good" doesn't really make a great discussion and doesn't really speak to the bigger issue
Backfoggen
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I bet it's going to be DLC downloads that you gotta manually download at first. Like the Quantum Break billion GB video pack.
Darklor01
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Yeah, I guess either way.. be it this week, or around E3, there would be a ton of time for Sony to play with pricing after MS announces their new system's pricing.
yeah that would be a good idea
Jimmyfenix
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Nothing new
wesleyshark
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Nothing new yet
LukasTaves
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Dee Dah Dave
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Someone in another thread reckons someone at MS told him it's not Jaguar, that's about it. Take that for what you will.
No other 'news'.
No other 'news'.
Yeah I still have the 500 GB HDD and it's already a pain in the ass, I often need to cancel games to make space for the new ones. They definitely need a solution.
MosquitoSmasher
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That's great because if turns out we'd just be getting Halo 5 graphics in 4K in Halo 6, for example, that would be a huge disappointment. We need better graphical bells and whistles on top of 4K or options to go either checkerboard 4K and have much richer visuals. But I wonder if we can only expect that from third parties or also from MS' own studios.
Samurai G0SU
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can BEAM stream 4k(UHD)[2160p) ????
Youtube just released that capability to stream live content in 4k right? Does twitch?
Youtube just released that capability to stream live content in 4k right? Does twitch?
MosquitoSmasher
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Reliable person or just someone claiming stuff?
SenjutsuSage
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I really am not the biggest proponent of 4K anything, as I think you'd get far more from targeting 1080p or just above, and simply pouring on the graphics and ensuring superior performance, maybe even going 60fps.
That said, with the scorpio specs as we currently know them, it's obvious this system, as a console, could definitely do 4K while also improving visuals. That shouldn't be in question. A 6 teraflop GPU isn't the only aspect of this system that matters.
That said, with the scorpio specs as we currently know them, it's obvious this system, as a console, could definitely do 4K while also improving visuals. That shouldn't be in question. A 6 teraflop GPU isn't the only aspect of this system that matters.
Samurai G0SU
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EvB = the xbox BC title insider i believe.
wesleyshark
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EvB is pretty accurate with his scoop track record. I'm still going to be surprised if it's not Jaguar, though.
Gotta keep expectations tempered!
Jaguar Victory
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What do you think happens in the PC space where it's basically all digital in most markets? You hear them crying?
Hockeymac18
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To me, the biggest advantages with the scorpio will come in its future-proofing for the inevitable next xbox (i.e. when it will become the lcd). That is because I see them going down the iterative road for a while.