CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News

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I don't think Trump's numbers would go up on this. People in the US are sick of those wars, and care very little in general about conflicts in the ME other than that the US should leave.
I also don't see it happening. It may not have a negative impact that pushes him into the 20s, but he's not going to see a big surge either.
 
I don't think Trump's numbers would go up on this. People in the US are sick of those wars, and care very little in general about conflicts in the ME other than that the US should leave.
I might have thought this until I read this thread. But nope, we're at "the us can't stand by and watch these atrocities happen" stage again, and the citizens are lapping it up, again.
 
TBH, I'm torn about this. Assad needs to go, but on the other hand.....Trump is Trump and I'm confident he can't handle this properly.
 
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Fucking hell.
 
He's the master of projection. You know how Newton's third law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I present the third law of Trump for every statement there is an equal and opposite tweet.
 
Please tell me what in the hell has Donald fuckin' Trump done to earn the benefit of doubt in this situation?

Nothing. People trying to look pragmatic and objective, but forgetting that Trump is completely incompetent.

This confrontation was inevitable. Just like how one with North Korea seems inevitable as well. Whether it was Hillary or Trump, this was going to happen. The fact is we needed a President with a cool head on their shoulders and the temperament to make the right decisions.

That isn't Trump, and things will get worse before they get better for the Syrian people.
 
Another question, how does the russian/syrian relationship works? one will think that if they were allies they will help them in this situation, not staying silent knowing that an attack will be held there

The Russians definitely immediately phoned Assad after hearing from the US. But the US is the world superpower. As strong as Russia and China are, they know they cannot stop the US if it came down to it. So they just accepted this strike on the air base. But it doesn't end here. The Russians are right now discussing a response. Is it to covertly continue Assad support with more arms, step up their own attacks again, pull back and hope for an Assad step down but one that keeps someone of his choosing in power etc. They would never accept a Syrian rebel faction taking control.

As much as some people want to pretend this is a great thing. It wasn't. You are 3 years too late on Assad regime change. There is no rebel force stable enough to replace him. And this will only increase Assad anger at his own people. If chemical weapons are out which he won't risk using again, be prepared for killings and bombings again.
 
TBH, I'm torn about this. Assad needs to go, but on the other hand.....Trump is Trump and I'm confident he can't handle this properly.

There's nothing to be torn about. Trump is a moron. That's what the facts are. This isn't going to be handled in a way that promotes a better quality of life for Syria. And we still won't let refugees in.
 
  • Limited military action will no have impact on Assad's rule, much less Syria's murky future.
  • More expansive military action without a diplomatic consensus amongst the opposition in Syria will embolden warring factions and sink the nation further into conflict
  • It will leave the US in yet another quagmire, and after eventually withdrawing, will damage US foreign policy further as an Iraq 2.0

It's interesting that Trump's statement following the attacks focused solely on chemical weapons, the same restricted objective that Sec Kerry envisioned a few years ago. By limiting the objective to something specific, and setting military action around it, you can act without committing to the conflict as a whole. It wasn't even an airfield, much less all of their airfields, but rather the same one these planes allegedly landed on. And even then, the Pentagon had to try avoid Russian military.
 
I'm guessing Trump just wanted to have some military/war calls under his belt before the inevitable impeachment.
 
I might have thought this until I read this thread. But nope, we're at "the us can't stand by and watch these atrocities happen" stage again, and the citizens are lapping it up, again.

Nobody cared about Libya or Syria in the US, not even when Assad gassed people the previous time. People really don't like seeing the US getting involved in this stuff since Iraq. The very reason Obama couldn't carry out strikes is because people didn't follow the whole "we are outraged" media spin. Even Michelle Obama told him not to get involved, not to arm the rebels.
 
One man said he lived in Greenwich, Connecticut, where Mr Trump has a home, and there were plans to relocate Syrian refugee families there.
He asked Mr Trump if he could "look children aged five, eight, ten, in the face and tell them they can't go to school here".

Mr Trump did not hesitate and said he could, which brought applause from the crowd.
He said: "I can look in their faces and say 'You can't come'. I'll look them in the face.

But this is the man that has compassion for the Syrian people right?
 
Another question, how does the russian/syrian relationship works? one will think that if they were allies they will help them in this situation, not staying silent knowing that an attack will be held there

They are allies, strong allies spanning decades when Assad's daddy was cosy with Brezhnev. Russia also maintains its only overseas naval base at Tartus in Syria. Putin had seen the erosion of Russian influence around the world and was determined not to lose any more allies, particularly after his pal Yanukovych in Ukraine was ousted in a popular uprising.

As for the maintaining of silent no one wants to be seen to be defending or excusing a chemical weapons attack on civilians. Even the Russians realised their piss poor attempt to provide alternative facts and blame the rebels for the chemical release was a PR disaster and utterly insane. The Kremlin will remain quiet on this, let Trump get his five minutes of dick-waving out of the way and then resume the slaughter of Syrian civilians.

But the relationship between Trump and Putin may very well be irrevocably altered at this stage. Moscow probably wishes Clinton had won, at least they'd have known what to expect from her, unlike the unpredictable Trump.
 
Damn, a cruise missile is pretty big. How would that not crater a runway?

Hardened runway and ground is surprisingly hard to damage. And unnecessary too, possibly, if everything else is wiped out in the air field like it seems to be.

EDIT IIRC, Tomahawks have 450kg warhead, which is average as warheads go, i think. Not sure.
 
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