CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News

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pigeon said:
Moral of the story is don't ever work as a janitor for an intelligence agency.
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IIRC, it was because we hit a bunch of nearby buildings too, so don't live by secret headquarters of intelligence agencies.

It's kinda like that whole "maybe you should have had better parents" pro-tip that gets around due process.
 
benjipwns said:
The U.S. regularly informs of impending strikes or waits for buildings to be empty.

Back when Saddam tried to have H. W. Bush assassinated, the U.S. responded by firing twenty some cruise missiles into the Iraqi Intelligence Service's Baghdad headquarters at 1AM so there wouldn't be anyone injured.

Nine civilians died anyway.
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Similarly during the 2006 Surge in Iraq, leaflets were dropped over towns in the days and weeks leading up to an offensive. Sure, this would allow militants to flee if they wanted to, but by and large, civilians would flee and militants would hunker down.
 
shawnbuddy said:
Honestly, this was the least Trump could get away with. He warns the Russians. They warn the Syrians. All the critical equipment gets moved and we spend $70 million tearing up a mostly abandoned airfield and a few fortified bunkers. Trump could still cause it to spiral into WWWIII through incompetence but the intent seems to be to have a show of force against the chemical weapons then let everything else go back to the status quo and let Trump go back to the golf course.
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If it was a bunch of nothing, how could it spiral into WW3?
 
R10Neymarfan said:
This is what he wants. All of you praising him for this. It was low hanging fruit and you'll eating it up from the palm of his hand. Of course he had a great opportunity to serve everyone in this and now he will get praised for a week
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He'll get lots and lots of praise for this until the next big Russia related news comes out days after.
 
There's nothing to celebrate here, that's my stance. These strikes were the least anyone was willing to do, refugees are still languishing, and this admin has already carried out a numbers of atrocities in the middle east in the short period they've been "up and running".

It's all a load of bullshit.
 
Look guys, Trump didn't think of that list, those 7 countries for the Musli--.. err, travel ban were picked under the Obama administration

2.0
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
There's nothing to celebrate here, that's my stance. These strikes were the least anyone was willing to do, refugees are still languishing, and this admin has already carried out a numbers of atrocities in the middle east in the short period they've been "up and running".

It's all a load of bullshit.
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Don't be surprised if the administration starts drumming up support for further action in Syria as Russia slowly pulls out.
 
I foresee a lot of Trump supporters conveniently getting over this betrayal based solely on the fact that it's being well received. If it gets his approval numbers up, they'll swallow it as a bittersweet​ victory, because it increases his political capital for more domestic fuckery in the future.

People on both sides of the aisle are already falling over themselves to heap praise on Trump. They'll come around.
 
Sounds like we told Russia, but didn't tell several of our allies, the state department, or the national security council.

And, of course, Trump talked to the press while en route to mar-a-lago.
 
The Albatross said:
I don't think that this was 'just doing something' ... Seems pretty targeted and specific: a targeted strike at the military base that launched chemical weapons attacks against civilians, and a message 'dont launch chemical weapons attacks.'
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In your opinion, were the strikes performed after Assad's previous gassings not targeted enough for him to get the message? Or, did getting heads-up from their Russian pals about the most recent strike really bring home the message?

Unbox this one for me, please
 
R10Neymarfan said:
This is what he wants. All of you praising him for this. It was low hanging fruit and you'll eating it up from the palm of his hand. Of course he had a great opportunity to serve everyone in this and now he will get praised for a week
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Dude sometimes youve gotta let go of conspiracies and just judge a situation for what it is, instead of thinking one way because "this is what someone WANTS you to think."

Sometimes politicians that you don't like get praised when they do something that might be the right thing to do. Bad people can still make the right decision sometimes.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
There's nothing to celebrate here, that's my stance. These strikes were the least anyone was willing to do, refugees are still languishing, and this admin has already carried out a numbers of atrocities in the middle east in the short period they've been "up and running".

It's all a load of bullshit.
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I mean from the looks of it Trump didn't fuck up and cause more death and he's back to golfing. I think we should be grateful about that.
 
Netherscourge said:
I'm hearing on the news that the US gave them enough warning to evacuate the base so they could destroy the planes, fuel, ammo & hangars with minimal loss of life to anyone.

The goal was to destroy Syria's air-strike capability, not kill Syrian or Russian soldiers. The US wanted the base empty of people.

In fact, they said they were not even targeting suspected chemical weapon depots.
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I genuinely hope no one innocent was hurt but this reeks. This reeks really bad. This does nothing to Assad. If you want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, he at best spent millions on a warning shot. But Assad already knew he wasn't supposed to use chemical weapons! So what does this change for him? He's out an airfield. He has other airfields. If the chest thumping ends here, he basically just got away with use of chemical weapons to slaughter his people.

There's always the possibility that it did take out some of his planes, which would actually hurt Assad somewhat since he has limited air power. But if they have ample warning, do you think they'd just leave the planes?

I'm prepared to hear some tin foil hat stuff too, like this was all coordinated with between Trump, Putin, and Assad. I'd say it's impossible but the Russia shit already sounds like a movie plot.
 
Slime said:
I foresee a lot of Trump supporters conveniently getting over this betrayal based solely on the fact that it's being well received. If it gets his approval numbers up, they'll swallow it as a bittersweet​ victory, because it increases his political capital for more domestic fuckery in the future.

People on both sides of the aisle are already falling over themselves to heap praise on Trump. They'll come around.
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How many days did this take? You won the betting pool! Let the "Rally 'round the flag" bump in popularity begin.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Sounds like we told Russia, but didn't tell several of our allies, the state department, or the national security council.

And, of course, Trump talked to the press while en route to mar-a-lago.
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So he telegraphed his attack? The opposite of what he campaigned on?

Shakes head.
 
Calm waterfall said:
Good, Obama should have done the same after Assad used chemical weapons on his people a couple of years ago. Assad is a war criminal.
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My issue with all of this is that the US is not and shouldn't aspire to be the World Police. We should never take unilateral action like this when our citizens are not the target.
 
Vestal said:
My issue with all of this is that the US is not and shouldn't aspire to be the World Police. We should never take unilateral action like this when our citizens are not the target.
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It's kind of a catch 22 though, because while we shouldn't take unilateral action, nobody else is willing to do anything in Syria except make desperate grabs for bits of power. Not saying that's not what we're doing, but it's been more than half a decade since this began and everyone's watched as it got worse and worse.
 
So since Syria "anticipated" this, I guess it's safe to assume someone in the administration let Russia know ahead of time? Trump looks strong and decisive, the media is distracted, and essentially nothing actually happened.
 
Calm waterfall said:
Good, Obama should have done the same after Assad used chemical weapons on his people a couple of years ago. Assad is a war criminal.
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GOP should have let Obama. The didn't.

Now they are cheering for Trump acting without asking.

Don't fool yourself- this wasn't out of the kindness of Trump's or the GOP heart.
 
Carpe Carnim said:
In your opinion, were the strikes performed after Assad's previous gassings not targeted enough for him to get the message? Or, did getting heads-up from their Russian pals about the most recent strike really bring home the message?

Unbox this one for me, please
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Before posting, remind yourself that the person you're talking to is not your enemy. It'll help prevent talking like an argumentative dick for no reason.

1) actions against Assad performed in 2013 or 2014 were in a different world than actions today. I'd imagine Assad thought that he could act with impunity given Trump's cozy relationship with Russia, Trump's fecklessness, and the incorrect perception from the West that the Syrian military surrendered their chemical weapons.

2) I don't think it's wrong to try to minimize human casualties, especially when they're human casualties from a county other than the one you're primarily targeting. Notifying the Russians that the base was going to be attacked is not only the right thing to do, but it's probably also a requirement for the rules of engagement in Syria which the US, NATO, and Russia are supposed to be following.

Will it bring home a message? I don't know, and neither do you. I think it probably brings home a clearer message than doing nothing, and it's a more measured strike than a random strike somewhere else in Syria.

But #3, you don't have to be a dick.
 
marrec said:
Trump: Fuck fuck how do we attack a country

Mattis: Well, the way we used to do it is fire missiles from a boat (sarcastically)

Trump: OBAMA WAS A GENIUS
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TRUMP: missiles from a boat? they're called torpedos (points at Mattis while giving that smirk to the rest of the room)
 
Vestal said:
My issue with all of this is that the US is not and shouldn't aspire to be the World Police. We should never take unilateral action like this when our citizens are not the target.
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There's a difference between playing world police and preventing a (worse) humanitarian crisis, as far as I'm concerned.

I want to know how many people would pull the "world police" card if lived in WWII times and it came to stopping the Holocaust.
 
Peotical Injection said:
Fuck Trump. But seriously, this is the only good shit he has done. Those pictures of those poor children fucking haunted me.
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What did he do? It is sounding more and more like he struck an empty base WHILE STICKING TO HIS DECISION TO KEEP THOSE "POOR CHILDREN" OUT OF THE US.

You could have stopped with the first two words of your post.
 
toddhunter said:
America does not have brutal dictatorship. Religious extremism comes from a lot more sources.
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I wanted to use the term "jihadism" but i don't like this term.

In the Middle-East, religious fundamentalism is a reaction to secular authoritarian regime. If the regime is brutal, religious sentiment is radicalized. We saw that in Iran, Algeria, Iran, Egypt...
 
Peotical Injection said:
Fuck Trump. But seriously, this is the only good shit he has done. Those pictures of those poor children fucking haunted me.
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I found the pictures of the kids to be propaganda. Normally western media shield pictures of war dead. But in this case, they were plastered all over media.

For the record, I think we in America need to see more of the casualties of war.
 
So, Syria conveniently launches chemical attack. Russia says no to dissuade Trump/Putin links. Trump fires missiles. Russia says chemical weapons goes too far, joins America in taking Assad out of power (maybe putting their own puppet into place using their participation in the region to strongarm the position). Russia and the US 'team up', to fight terrorism without other countries participation. Trump does away with sanctions so Russia can more effectively join the fight on terror. Putin wins.

I've got my tinfoil hat on.
 
So Trump says he was moved by the footage of children in pain, and yet he's against taking in refugees.
And now here he is bombing their country

What a piece of shit
 
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