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[Audioboxer]

Why do you have a picture of your son as your avatar? Either that or armchair generals are getting younger and younger. Do carry on.

Opinions, how do they work?

Of course, if you think differently quote and give me your thoughts on why you think a War might be incoming (in regards to the beliefs around WW3/America vs Russia fullscale war). Isn't that a better idea than somehow implying only "old people" can have thoughts on this?

Out of interest, how do you know the age of any other GAFers you debate with? Unless they state, I hate to be the one to tell you, you've spoken to people on here younger than me. I'm pretty decent at CIV for what it's worth!

 

[RedSonja]

honestly I was just thinking this is manufactured to distract from trump-russia

is that too conspiracy-hat-ish though?



why you gotta be rude though

Curious poster is curious, not rude.

 

[Giganteus]

I hope this is just bluster. Because this is NOT good!

It's not and this isn't the only action they are taking in response. I won't state what those further actions are, because I'm lazy and don't feel like linking sources. Either way, this could quite possibly hamper the US, in terms of current influence and airpower in Syria, which comes at a critical point with the battle of Raqqa coming up.

Ignore the chest thumping on display by some here and everywhere else. This complicates things and wasn't a wise move.

 

[captainnapalm]

It remains to be seen if this was just a dickwaving contest by Trump and an isolated incident, or really part of a concerted effort to go against Russia and Iran and truly push to overthrow Syria.

If it's the latter, that is a ridiculously dangerous turn of events for the world. Having Trump in the White House is already such an unpredictable, combustible occurrence. We should all be trying to keep his administration out of any international conflict as much as possible. Seriously, Americans need to make their voices heard. You don't want this moron leading the western world into war.

 

[SomTervo]

The whole idea that Russia is mad about these strikes is manufactured. The Russians have anti-missile systems that can take down Tomahawks. None were shot down and the Russians were absent from the base. This was done with the consent of the Russians. They only care about Syria as far as their access to it's naval and air bases. The fake disapproval of the Russians is just designed to make people question their installation of Trump as fPOTUS.

Checks out WRT the Russian remit to make democracy seem like a total joke.

Like, it's working.

The way they chat about shit like this is mad.

It reeks of 'government as business'.

Wanton driving forward with 'brand' ideas like "leadership week", all about controlling your own image and posturing and seeing everyone else as arm-length rivals.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Executive branch unilateral action.
Media war drums beating.
People even in this thread championing use of force.

We're fucked.

 

[SomTervo]

 

[water_wendi]

Executive branch unilateral action.
Media war drums beating.
People even in this thread championing use of force.

We're fucked.

Yeah. After what happened with the previous gas attack i had hoped we would investigate a little more before going crazy but too much to hope for with Trump at the helm.

 

[Anarion07]

Why do you have a picture of your son as your avatar? Either that or armchair generals are getting younger and younger. Do carry on.

Since when does age matter in a discussion like that?
You don't have any insights into this persons life or anything.
Also, the guy in the picture doesn't even look that young.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

honestly I was just thinking this is manufactured to distract from trump-russia

is that too conspiracy-hat-ish though?



why you gotta be rude though

I mean we had an election stolen by our greatest enemy and a manchild puppet installed as president, so no it isn't conspiracy-hat-ish at all.

 

[shawnbuddy]

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who recently met with Assad, as called the attack reckless, short-sighted and possibly a prelude to WWI III. She also pretends it's open to debate whether Assad was behind the chemical attacks.

https://twitter.com/HawaiiNewsNow/status/850186497953210369

 

[moggio]

On a slightly tangential note, the new episode of Radiolab might be of interest to some people here:

http://www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/

President Richard Nixon once boasted that at any moment he could pick up a telephone and - in 20 minutes - kill 60 million people. Such is the power of the US President over the nation’s nuclear arsenal. But what if you were the military officer on the receiving end of that phone call? Could you refuse the order?

This episode, we profile one Air Force Major who asked that question back in the 1970s and learn how the very act of asking it was so dangerous it derailed his career. We also pick up the question ourselves and pose it to veterans both high and low on the nuclear chain of command. Their responses reveal once and for all whether there are any legal checks and balances between us and a phone call for Armageddon.

 

[Engell]

The whole idea that Russia is mad about these strikes is manufactured. The Russians have anti-missile systems that can take down Tomahawks. None were shot down and the Russians were absent from the base. This was done with the consent of the Russians. They only care about Syria as far as their access to it's naval and air bases. The fake disapproval of the Russians is just designed to make people question their installation of Trump as fPOTUS.

This.. It was all planned, not saying that the air defence would stop all the missiles, but it would have stopped some of them. (aka someone turned it off)
Also wouldn't the first move be to but a missile into Assad's residence if you actually wanted him gone.

 

[SomTervo]

This episode, we profile one Air Force Major who asked that question back in the 1970s and learn how the very act of asking it was so dangerous it derailed his career. We also pick up the question ourselves and pose it to veterans both high and low on the nuclear chain of command. Their responses reveal once and for all whether there are any legal checks and balances between us and a phone call for Armageddon.

Thanks for sharing.

Not surprised re the bolded at all. Done a bit of documentary-viewing about military hierarchies and yeah, if you show one modicum of critical thought about orders from above (anywhere in the chain) you are likely to be chucked.

 

[RedSonja]

Opinions, how do they work?

By me saying to you exactly the same thing.

Of course, if you think differently quote and give me your thoughts on why you think a War might be incoming. Isn't that a better idea than somehow implying only "old people" can have thoughts on this?

What? Ask your dad. Gather you're doing GCSE History right now? I predict you a C.

Out of interest, how do you know the age of any other GAFers you debate with? Unless they state, I hate to be the one to tell you, you've spoken to people on here younger than me. I'm pretty decent at CIV for what it's worth!

Okay, thanks.

Honestly, you ask a question, expect a simple answer and then this.

 

[Kolx]

This news is really blowing out of proportion now. If US wanted to start something they wouldn't have warned Russia before hand to clear the base. As much as people here want to believe Trump is stupid enough to go to war to Russia, he is not.

 

[RedSonja]

Since when does age matter in a discussion like that?
You don't have any insights into this persons life or anything.
Also, the guy in the picture doesn't even look that young.

Calm it, Kermit.

 

[Audioboxer]

Okay, thanks.

Honestly, you ask a question, expect a simple answer and then this.

What?

Why did you edit

What? Ask your dad. Gather you're doing GCSE History right now? I predict you a C.

into my post?

I hate to tell you but you're making a big judgement based on a small picture. I'm in my 20's and at University right now. Again, what does it matter, challenge the opinion/thoughts with your own, not the posters age (and seemingly get it wrong given your comment above). Anyway, I think you've made it clear you don't agree. If you want to formulate some actual thoughts and get back to me I'll reply, otherwise, maybe don't blindly assume peoples ages!

 

[slit]

This news is really blowing out of proportion now. If US wanted to start something they wouldn't have warned Russia before hand to clear the base. As much as people here want to believe Trump is stupid enough to go to war to Russia, he is not.

That's only part of the problem. Forget Russia, nobody wants to us to get bogged down in another Middle East civil war with armies on the ground. Trump is probably stupid enough to do that.

 

[D4Danger]

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who recently met with Assad, as called the attack reckless, short-sighted and possibly a prelude to WWI III. She also pretends it's open to debate whether Assad was behind the chemical attacks.

https://twitter.com/HawaiiNewsNow/status/850186497953210369

ain't gonna be no world war over this shit and what does she expect the UN police to roll up and slap the cuffs on? get real.

 

[alexthekid]

Yeah. After what happened with the previous gas attack i had hoped we would investigate a little more before going crazy but too much to hope for with Trump at the helm.

What happened? Serious question

 

[Kolx]

That's only part of the problem. Forget Russia, nobody wants to us to get bogged down in another Middle East civil war with armies on the ground. Trump is probably stupid enough to do that.

US can easily fight Alassad without armies on the ground. Basically copy the same approach with the Kurds. Small number of special forces on the ground to coordinate and train with concentrated strikes on Alassad forces.

 

[slit]

US can easily fight Alassad without armies on the ground. Basically copy the same approach with the Kurds. Small number of special forces on the ground to coordinate and train with concentrated strikes on Alassad forces.

I see and then I guess ISIS just goes away quietly into the night. Alassad being gone doesn't fix the situation in and of itself and now someone else has the chemical weapons.

 

[hey_monkey]

I'm just sitting here listening to CNN and they're saying over and over "this is such a good thing! I mean, it could be. It depends. It could send a message. Guess we'll have to see. Could dilute the fight against ISIS. Won't stop the killing of civilians. But it's a good thing!"

 

[Skatterd]

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who recently met with Assad, as called the attack reckless, short-sighted and possibly a prelude to WWI III. She also pretends it's open to debate whether Assad was behind the chemical attacks.

https://twitter.com/HawaiiNewsNow/status/850186497953210369

Hmm. I don't know how to feel anymore about Tulsi recently.

 

[Last_colossi]

I just watched The New York Times video on youtube about the chemical attack..... I've been typing this for 20min and I can't think of anything vile enough to call the scum responsible for this.

I don't think Trumps attack did a damn thing either, I'm sure the Russians warned the Syrians well and truly before the missiles hit.

All I can see when I look at this is a majorly fucked up situation and an incompetent president trying to gain the respect of his own country.

 

[D4Danger]

Justin Trudeau

"Canada fully supports the United States' limited and focused action to degrade the Assad regime's ability to launch chemical weapons attacks against innocent civilians, including many children. President Assad's use of chemical weapons and the crimes the Syrian regime has committed against its own people cannot be ignored."

 

[Militant17]

Why do you have a picture of your son as your avatar? Either that or armchair generals are getting younger and younger. Do carry on.

It's funny how it's always the people without anything intelligent or relevant to post who just end up posting these ad hominem attacks. It just makes you look uneducated, if you weren't you would challenge his opinion and not his age.

 

[RedSonja]

What?

Why did you edit



into my post?

I hate to tell you but you're making a big judgement based on a small picture. I'm in my 20's and at University right now. Again, what does it matter, challenge the opinion/thoughts with your own, not the posters age (and seemingly get it wrong given your comment above).

The topic of this thread is far more important than the specifics of your life. Don't be so self-centred and keep to the subject matter.

 

[Kolx]

I see and then I guess ISIS just goes away quietly into the night. Alassad being gone doesn't fix the situation in and of itself and now someone else has the chemical weapons.

Who said the fight against ISIS needs to stop? chemical can be destroyed with the help of the FSA. Syria doesn't just consist of ISIS and Alassad.

 

[CrocMother]

I just watched The New York Times video on youtube about the chemical attack..... I've been typing this for 20min and I can't think of anything vile enough to call the scum responsible for this.

I don't think Trumps attack did a damn thing either, I'm sure the Russians warned the Syrians well and truly before the missiles hit.

All I can see when I look at this is a majorly fucked up situation and an incompetent president trying to gain the respect of his own country.

Fucking up their airfields is a plan that's been on the books way before Trump

 

[Heavy Iron Industries]

Fake news, my ass.

 

[Soran]

The topic of this thread is far more important than the specifics of your life. Don't be so self-centred and keep to the subject matter.

He was on topic until you attacked him.

 

[slit]

Who said the fight against ISIS needs to stop?

Trump. He said he wants to end it quickly with ISIS.

Spoiler

Yeah, right. That'll happen

 

[Kolx]

Fucking up their airfields is a plan that's been on the books way before Trump

Which should have been done long ago to stop Alassad from bombing civilians every day.

 

[BlackGhost]

Press briefing should be interesting today

 

[marrec]

I see and then I guess ISIS just goes away quietly into the night. Alassad being gone doesn't fix the situation in and of itself and now someone else has the chemical weapons.

Assad being there sure isn't doing anything to quell Isis either.

 

[Last_colossi]

Fucking up their airfields is a plan that's been on the books way before Trump

So? does that change anything now?

 

[gregor7777]

The topic of this thread is far more important than the specifics of your life. Don't be so self-centred and keep to the subject matter.

WTF is wrong with you. You asked him. You made a snarky and unnecessary comment, got called out for it, now you're backpeddaling and blame shifting like mad.

Get over it.

 

[Leona Lewis]

The topic of this thread is far more important than the specifics of your life. Don't be so self-centred and keep to the subject matter.

You're not long for this board.

 

[cackhyena]

The topic of this thread is far more important than the specifics of your life. Don't be so self-centred and keep to the subject matter.

lol what's with this guy.

 

[Kolx]

So? does that change anything now?

If there was an actual plan to bomb more than one base yes it'd change a lot.

 

[The Technomancer]

I don't fucking know what to do

 

[Audioboxer]

Justin Trudeau

While the UK has backed it, Jeremy Corbyn has been a bit more pragmatic

"The US missile attack on a Syrian government air base risks escalating the war in Syria still further.

"Tuesday's horrific chemical attack was a war crime which requires urgent independent UN investigation and those responsible must be held to account.

"But unilateral military action without legal authorisation or independent verification risks intensifying a multi-sided conflict that has already killed hundreds of thousands of people.

"What is needed instead is to urgently reconvene the Geneva peace talks and unrelenting international pressure for a negotiated settlement of the conflict.

"The terrible suffering of the Syrian people must be brought to an end as soon as possible and every intervention must be judged on what contribution it makes to that outcome.

However, as always this ends up at odds with others in his party

"These US strikes appear to be a direct and proportionate response to a clear violation of international law by the Syrian regime.

"It's clear from the nerve gas attack in Khan Sheikhoun earlier this week that President (Bashar) Assad had retained a chemical weapons capability, contrary to what was agreed in 2013.

"Indiscriminate chemical weapons attacks on civilians can never be tolerated and must have consequences.

"It's vital that the United States is now clear about its intentions and that the whole international community works towards a political settlement in Syria."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...can-missile-strike-syria-jeremy-corbyn-comes/

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

While the UK has backed it, Jeremy Corbyn has been a bit more pragmatic



However, as always this ends up at odds with others in his party

Corbyn is a tosser. STWC have been funded by Russia for ages. Several paragraphs, a condemnation of Trump and not a bad word against Assad, a man who has committed actual war crimes.

 

[marrec]

I don't fucking know what to do

Maintain perspective and moral ideals. Call out bullshit when you see it, be critical, and come to a reasonable conclusion. Assad is a monstrous war criminal and limited strikes against military infrastructure with minimal casualties is the best would could have hoped for out of this situation.

 

[patapuf]

I don't fucking know what to do

I think that's been the Wests reaction to the syrian crysis as a whole.

we wised up enough to know that direct intervention is very likely to backfire. But sitting around watching innocents getting killed (nevermind the negative effects for stability in the region and all the refugees) feels really bad and it may end up being even worse than if the West had intervened.

 

[Last_colossi]

If there was an actual plan to bomb more than one base yes it'd change a lot.

So you think they might bomb another one?

 

[marrec]

I think that's been the Wests reaction to the syrian crysis as a whole.

we wised up enough to know that direct intervention is very likely to backfire. But sitting around watching innocents getting killed (nevermind the negative effects for stability in the region and all the refugees) feels really bad.

And we also know that going to the UN is pointless. We've been litigating the Syria crisis in the UN for 6 years now and all that's gotten us is expanded Russian military power.

 

[slit]

Assad being there sure isn't doing anything to quell Isis either.

Nobody is going to quell ISIS with cruise missiles is the point. Trump doesn't know what he is doing and when you have him making decisions and that spells trouble.