FreedomFighter
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No, that makes no sense whatsoever. It's nonsense on stilts, really. Assad is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
He had everything to lose and nothing to gain from this. Not buying this rationale.
CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News
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Depends on the intent of the strike. If we wanted to cripple Assad's air capability it would take many more strikes over a much longer period of time, or it would take enforcing a no-fly zone which is obviously antithetical to Russian interests.
I don't think this was meant to make sure future chemical attacks are impossible, I think it's to make sure Assad knows we can and will strike if lines are crossed.
You know, Obama's "red line". That's why I believe this won't escalate... unless of course Assad gets a wild hair up his ass.
FreedomFighter
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Well, if you exhibit skepticism in any way, shape, or form of what is reigning US geopolitical orthodoxy...
MikeHaggar
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I'm not sure why people keep writing off any kind of collusion between the Trump inner-circle and Russia on this. Based on the U.S. investigations into Trump's ties to Russia there are only three scenarios here:
1. The intelligence is wrong and there was no collusion between Trump and Russia. He just potentially really pissed the Russian's off and we (U.S. citizens) should be worried about how this all plays out.
2. Trump did conspire with the Russians and this is all theater in order to create "conflict" between his admin and the Russians. Nothing will come of this, but we should still be worried as our President is a traitor.
3. Trump did conspire with the Russians but has now "gone rogue" and pissed them off. We should be worried.
Based on what we know, scenario 1 is the most unlikely. Just saying...
1. The intelligence is wrong and there was no collusion between Trump and Russia. He just potentially really pissed the Russian's off and we (U.S. citizens) should be worried about how this all plays out.
2. Trump did conspire with the Russians and this is all theater in order to create "conflict" between his admin and the Russians. Nothing will come of this, but we should still be worried as our President is a traitor.
3. Trump did conspire with the Russians but has now "gone rogue" and pissed them off. We should be worried.
Based on what we know, scenario 1 is the most unlikely. Just saying...
The damage is now Assad knows that his military assets are at risk. Having to account for that is going to decrease their mobility and effectiveness. It takes a lot to maintain an Air Force.
You know "Russian propaganda worked" doesn't mean you're a russian agent at all? it just means they succeeded at making people believe that it's either Alassad or ISIS and Al qaeda as you said. Now that we've this out of the way let's discuss what we actually said.
There's a lot of variables here though. What if Assad retaliates by turning to another method to kill even more civilians than this attack? Do we ramp up our response? It's a pretty sticky situation, even if chemical weapons aren't used.
This is extremely unimaginative thinking to be honest. The level of Trump ands his admin's collusion with Russia has not been determined and so to say anything of him "going rogue" is premature at this time.
This was in response to chemical weapons, not barrel bombs. The line here isn't "you can't kill civilians" but rather "don't use chemical weapons to kill civilians". Lord knows I have no idea what Trump will do if Assad carpet bombs another hospital, but I do think that if there are more chemical attacks then there will be more strikes.
darkstar0155
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Pretty much this. Trump caused pretty much all of this. Pretty much said "hands off Syria/assad" so Assad was like, ok green light, lets see what we can do.
Took it to far, Trump felt he had to respond (rightfully so imo, needed to send a message to Assad and N. Korea).
Why only wish is that they would have went more out on this one single strike. I'm only in favor of one strike, just wish it would have been bigger to actually cause some serious damage.
There are a few problems with your post. Your assertion that Alnusra denounced Al Qaeda is misleading. They're playing a game that few people have fallen for, and they're still an extremist organization. They're not some moderate force we should now work with, if that's what you're insinuating. HTS is a terror organization. Their denouncement of Al Qaeda was a PR stunt.
Al Qaeda/HTS/etc do not represent "a very small number" of the rebel force. I can't tell if you're trying to mislead people or if you sincerely believe that. They're still a sizeable and capable portion. The FSA are the ones that have been diminished.
Nevermind that. The rest of that post is crazier.
Audioboxer
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Pretty much. It's actually "better" if the base was near empty when hit. The purpose of such a strike should never have been to cause casualties but correctly hit an air base that evidence shows was used in a chemical weapons attack. Signalling to Assad using chemical weapons at all, let alone on his own people, isn't going to be tolerated. Not after 2013 as well.
Has there to be a further debriefing on the base and why it was targetted (how the US knew/where intelligence came from)? I thought I read that earlier.
Calamari41
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You think there's less likelihood that there's no collusion than there is that Putin and Trump together orchestrated a gas attack on Syrian civilians in order to give Trump public support for a missile strike on a Russian ally, with Russians present at the site of the strike, in order to provide cover for their secret collusion?
Ahh yes they are and have been since the 90's. You really think we would have a joint space station with a enemy?
No they aren't. They have been at odds with the US since Putin took over. Yeltsin was the only time in recent history where relations were okay.
jakonovski
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Is this really getting bipartisan support? I didn't think it was possible for my opinion of America to get any lower.
darkstar0155
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What I heard is they were able to track the planes leaving that base, bombing the area that the gas was used, and returning.
Vivalaraza
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I mean...that would be bold...even for Trump...
Lonewulfeus
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I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks
Some crazy accuracy there.
Uh wtf? That's oddly accurate...
Lucky guess
Calamari41
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100 year anniversary of America entering WWI. Big conspiracy theory date, that random tweet is nothing special.
Dude Abides
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Assad really miscalculated. Trump would have been happy for him to slaughter as many civilians as he wanted using conventional means, but using chemical weapons made Trump look like a weak patsy and he had to respond. Now that he's had bipartisan and international praise for military action he might well develop a taste for it.
Audioboxer
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I would suspect something like that. However, I am sure I read earlier there has to be proper public debriefing explaining in a bit more detail how they came about sanctioning the hit on this airbase. If one thing there does need to be since "intelligence/evidence" in history, it's as much information released to the public as possible to give credibility to military action.
I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks
Some crazy accuracy there.
The same account said we would use nukes and they're one day off. They're not that accurate.
SymbiantXenos
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S-400 couldn't hit a tomahawk cruise missile
Lonewulfeus
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The odds on that though. If that tweet was a horse even Norm Macdonald wouldn't have bet on it
leatherhat
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Alright, so you believe that the FSA (which is a name that numerous groups have used, most of which were either ISIS linked or sold arms to ISIS) is going to fill the void when Assad is gone? You will get either get a different Russian puppet or... thats it, Russia would never let any other government come to power. Though hypothetically speaking if a free election was held an Islamist group would almost certainly win.
Every time America has messed around in the Middle East it made the situation worse. If this escalates it will be no different from Iraq.
Maybe you're right- I've never heard of that account until just now. Seems like a lot of work to get a prediction right once or twice in a lifetime though.
He did not know Assad was going to launch a chemical attack on his people and that we'd retaliate a couple days later.
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Lonewulfeus
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It was April 7th in Syria
Calamari41
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Again, its the 100 year anniversary of America's entry to WWI. Big conspiracy theory date. Not quite as big as saying something is going to happen on 9/11 of a round anniversary year, but in the same ballpark.
Right. I didn't consider time zones. According to the profile, they're in London.
Their number is estimated to be 12500 on average. That's not the bigger portion of the rebels by any means as the russian propaganda is trying to make people believe and single factions within the rebels have more men that that. FSA as a faction has been weakening not because their men are abandoning the fight but because they're joining other factions within the rebels. And yes Al nusra should be fought and as I said they can be easily separated if the US wanted to start a war to takeout Alassad.
Could be. They also called this so who knows:
Then Bannon can go back to being the ruler of Hell then.
Wheee time for a good old fashioned cold war proxy war. Lovely.
Sadly this might have been one of the least bad options - doesn't escalate things all that much while giving the Russians some motivation to tell Assad to knock it off and go back to killing civvies the accepted way. Political theater with deaths on top.
Sadly this might have been one of the least bad options - doesn't escalate things all that much while giving the Russians some motivation to tell Assad to knock it off and go back to killing civvies the accepted way. Political theater with deaths on top.
Speaking of white supremacists, they're pissed at Trump for bombing Syria.. Isolationists?
It was his own citizens, to begin with.
Could someone link to some (as credible as possible) source of why we think Assad & Co were behind the attack and not some other parties (rebels, ISIS etc.). Not trying to claim they aren't or would never do something like that, just want to be informed and see sources myself before I partake in discussions.
Assad doesn't care he is in the fight of his life. Assad going to kill as many people as he can until he is dead. Russia and Iran have soldier s on the ground Iranian and Russian blood has been spilled they are tied to Assad and Syria now for better or worst. America has only one option now boots on the ground American blood split.
Hari Seldon
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No one actually believes that shit, not even the KGB agents pushing the propaganda.
I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks
Some crazy accuracy there.
Who is this and why does it matter? And why is his previous tweet saying the terrorist attack in russia was a false flag attack planted by bannon?
Lonewulfeus
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Well, I'm sure if that's true it'll coincide with tillersons visit. Seems incredibly farfetched though. I could see a scenario where we go to war with Russia while both leaders are very friendly behind the scenes and are profiting wildly from said war.
I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks
Some crazy accuracy there.
Are we sure this isn't one of those instances where they save a tweet or make Hella tweets with dates and delete the inaccurate ones?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?
https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks
Some crazy accuracy there.
Reading over this twitter. This person is also claiming that:
1. Trump raped him (i think its a he)
2. Trump tried to have his lawyers wife assassinated
3. Trump has been diagnosed with liver failure
4. Several military bases (including pearl harbor and area 51) have gone rogue
5. He (as in the author of the twitter account) attempted suicide
And this is all in the last month
Hillary Clinton said she would do the same, so don't let your revulsion of Trump influence your views of the strike.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html
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