CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News

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Bluenoser

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Reading over this twitter. This person is also claiming that:

1. Trump raped him (i think its a he)
2. Trump tried to have his lawyers wife assassinated
3. Trump has been diagnosed with liver failure
4. Several military bases (including pearl harbor and area 51) have gone rogue
5. He (as in the author of the twitter account) attempted suicide

And this is all in the last month

Yeah I didn't vet the account, I simply posted a coincidental tweet. Maybe the user took extreme measures to make the tweet accurate- no way for me to know that.
 

BajiBoxer

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So, I saw some stories about Trump warning Russia before the strike, and Russia warning Syria, so Syria moved their equipment out? Did we fire 50 missles at an empty building? It will be interesting to check the news at the end of the day.
 

Audioboxer

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Could someone link to some (as credible as possible) source of why we think Assad & Co were behind the attack and not some other parties (rebels, ISIS etc.). Not trying to claim they aren't or would never do something like that, just want to be informed and see sources myself before I partake in discussions.

Guardian has some pretty decent catchup articles

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cal-weapons-attack-what-we-know-khan-sheikhun

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/syria-chemical-attack-idlib-province

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oked-inside-syrian-town-after-chemical-attack

The Times but it requires a sub

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ons-from-un-inspectors-experts-fear-hnn7ht6fz

Or the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-39513193

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39531045 (just posted this in its own post below)

I mean you probably are just best to Google and read multiple sources. A lot of this comes from visual feedback/evidence as well. People, including children, were dying from chemical weapons, that's not disputable. It was civilian towns as well.
 

Kyzer

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Yeah I didn't vet the account, I simply posted a coincidental tweet. Maybe the user took extreme measures to make the tweet accurate- no way for me to know that.
Assume everyone on twitter is just a random person with no credibility or sources for anything, and work from there. Because thats actually what twitter is. You might as well have posted a screenshot of a 4chan post saying ww3 would start today and said "uh oh guys..."
 

Chococat

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Since it is believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election and Russia is friends with Syria, is it possible that gas attack was order by Trump/Putin to distract from the news?
 
Assad really miscalculated. Trump would have been happy for him to slaughter as many civilians as he wanted using conventional means, but using chemical weapons made Trump look like a weak patsy and he had to respond. Now that he's had bipartisan and international praise for military action he might well develop a taste for it.

This is why it doesn't make sense he ordered it
 

spineduke

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I thought the Ghouta attack made no sense and I think it's more likely that the "moderate rebels" did it. But Assad had more of a reason to use them in that situation because he was losing and desperate. I just wasn't buying that Assad would wait until UN observers were on the ground to use the weapons right in their vicinity. I just couldn't get past that and more inclined to believe that Hersh's account is correct.

This latest attack is even MORE senseless. Use chemical weapons to provoke the wrath of the West while you're mopping up Wahabi/Salafi headchoppers in Hama and Idlib the day before peace talks resume in Geneva AND the West had come off of the regime change goal just days prior?

It just doesn't make sense...

Right, about Ghouta,

http://www.refworld.org/docid/53182eed4.html

And to highlight the use of chemical weapons (its not the first time)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Reported_chemical_weapons_attacks

For this attack, the thing is that the payload size and scale cannot be executed by anyone but Assad's airforce. You need airborne deployment for those kind of casualty numbers.
 
Hillary Clinton said she would do the same, so don't let your revulsion of Trump influence your views of the strike.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html
Nope, I'll let my disgust of Trump influence me, thank you very much

Why is it so hard for people to grasp that some people trust certain people more than others to make the same decision?

I think Hillary would have did this after careful deliberation, in good faith, and inform all the proper channels and follow through with the correct approach.

I don't have that same faith in Trump, who seems to have only done this as a cheap attempt to boost his failing approval ratings, and I don't trust him at all to make the right decisions going forward to not escalate this matter for political gain or just because he wants a war.
 

Audioboxer

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Pentagon spokesman Capt Jeff Davis said Shayrat airbase was used to store chemical weapons, and that US intelligence assessed that aircraft from there had dropped bombs filled with a nerve agent on Khan Sheikhoun, killing more than 80 people.

The airbase was used to store chemical weapons until 2013, when Mr Assad agreed to the destruction of the country's declared chemical arsenal after his forces were accused of firing rockets filled with the nerve agent Sarin at rebel-held suburbs of Damascus, killing hundreds of people.

Satellite imagery obtained by Stratfor that December showed construction work to improve the airbase. The company's analysts said the work and the presence of newly deployed helicopters suggested the base was gaining importance for the Syrian government and Russia as they sought to counter jihadist militants from so-called Islamic State (IS) in Homs province.

The move was denied by the Russian defence ministry, but further satellite images taken at the end of March 2016 showed several Ka-52 Alligator and Mi-28N Night Hunter attack helicopters had also arrived, according to IHS Jane's.

Fighters from Lebanon's Hezbollah movement and Iranian-backed Iraqi militias supporting the Syrian army on the ground are also believed to have used Shayrat.

On Tuesday, US military radar systems monitored Syrian Air Force fixed-wing aircraft take off Shayrat and fly over Khan Sheikhoun on two occasions - at 06:37 local time (03:37 GMT) and 06:46.

US military officials told NBC News that the radar systems picked up flashes on the ground, indicating that ordnance had been dropped on the rebel-held town.

At that same time, hundreds of people on the ground began suffering symptoms consistent with reaction to a nerve agent, according to the doctors and nurses who treated them. The opposition-run health directorate says at least 84 people died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39531045
 

Vagabundo

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Well, I'm sure if that's true it'll coincide with tillersons visit. Seems incredibly farfetched though. I could see a scenario where we go to war with Russia while both leaders are very friendly behind the scenes and are profiting wildly from said war.

My new NaNoWriMo idea.
 

Calamari41

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Assume everyone on twitter is just a random person with no credibility or sources for anything, and work from there. Because thats actually what twitter is. You might as well have posted a screenshot of a 4chan post saying ww3 would start today and said "uh oh guys..."

4chan at least provides amusing logic chains to support their conspiracies
 

Jackpot

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This latest attack is even MORE senseless. Use chemical weapons to provoke the wrath of the West while you're mopping up Wahabi/Salafi headchoppers in Hama and Idlib the day before peace talks resume in Geneva AND the West had come off of the regime change goal just days prior?

It just doesn't make sense...

You posted the same gibberish in the original thread and then bailed when all the evidence showed you were wrong.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=233397405#post233397405

Do you still believe ISIS also used jet fighters to bomb the hospitals after the attack?

Since it is believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election and Russia is friends with Syria, is it possible that gas attack was order by Trump/Putin to distract from the news?

No.
 

Kodros

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So, I saw some stories about Trump warning Russia before the strike, and Russia warning Syria, so Syria moved their equipment out? Did we fire 50 missles at an empty building? It will be interesting to check the news at the end of the day.

They could have moved some stuff out. But this is more of a "Knock that shit out" response. And even if they didn't destroy equipment, they disabled that airport for a while.
 

Kinan

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First action of Trump I support. If Obama did it after the very first zarin attack, Siria could be at peace now. Divided on several states, probably, but at peace. Red lines mean nothing if you are not ready to act and your "partner" knows it.
 
Nope, I'll let my disgust of Trump influence me, thank you very much

Why is it so hard for people to grasp that some people trust certain people more than others to make the same decision?

I think Hillary would have did this after careful deliberation, in good faith, and inform all the proper channels and follow through with the correct approach.

I don't have that same faith in Trump, who seems to have only done this as a cheap attempt to boost his failing approval ratings, and I don't trust him at all to make the right decisions going forward to not escalate this matter for political gain or just because he wants a war.
Yeah this is how I feel about it as well. While I can see reason for bombing the air base, it seems like an impulsive decision when it comes from Trump.
 
First action of Trump I support. If Obama did it after the very first zarin attack, Siria could be at peace now. Divided on several states, probably, but at peace. Red lines mean nothing if you are not ready to act and your "partner" knows it.

Congress said no. And it was deeply unpopular. And no, Syria would not be at peace.
 

NYR

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I don't have time to comb through this whole thread, but has this been posted?

https://twitter.com/RogueLeaks

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Some crazy accuracy there.

This kind of trash has been exposed.

1. Post a bunch of shit on twitter via multiple tweets.

2. Hide posts.

3. Unhide posts when something even close happens, date stamps stays the same, looks like you predicted the future.
 

ironcreed

Banned
Reading over this twitter. This person is also claiming that:

1. Trump raped him (i think its a he)
2. Trump tried to have his lawyers wife assassinated
3. Trump has been diagnosed with liver failure
4. Several military bases (including pearl harbor and area 51) have gone rogue
5. He (as in the author of the twitter account) attempted suicide

And this is all in the last month

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Vagabundo

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This kind of trash has been exposed.

1. Post a bunch of shit on twitter via multiple tweets.

2. Hide posts.

3. Unhide posts when something even close happens, date stamps stays the same, looks like you predicted the future.

4. Profit!!
 

Bluenoser

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Assume everyone on twitter is just a random person with no credibility or sources for anything, and work from there. Because thats actually what twitter is. You might as well have posted a screenshot of a 4chan post saying ww3 would start today and said "uh oh guys..."

Ok relax a bit there. I wasn't posting it as some kind of news, just a coincidence that was amusing. It has nothing to do with something *I* want to be true, unless you're suggesting I want WW3 to start? I do not follow that twitter account, it was simple shared with me earlier, and I thought it was something others would want to see, even if it was to dissect and dismantle it. That's perfectly fine.

This kind of trash has been exposed.

1. Post a bunch of shit on twitter via multiple tweets.

2. Hide posts.

3. Unhide posts when something even close happens, date stamps stays the same, looks like you predicted the future.

I didn't know that kind of thing happened. Honestly, it's kind of pathetic.
 

Dre3001

Member
So as I understand it, Syria is a no win situation. Either you take Assad out of power and ISIS ends up taking over the country or you attack ISIS and Assad continues to kill citizens who oppose him?
 
My new NaNoWriMo idea.

Lol how many times has it been said that if you pitched to Hollywood what has happened in politics in the last six months you'd have been laughed out of the room for implausibility? I don't think it's likely but you can't say that's it's not possible.
 
can't decide how i feel about this. there's probably no good solution here for USA, doing nothing is bad, diving into a new middle east conflict is bad, real double bind here
 

Sijil

Member
Weak sauce response, less than half of the Tomahawks made it to target and most of them didn't even hit the airfield proper. By the photos released by the MOD the Runway will be operational in a week or two for fixed wing aircrafts. Only 6 planes were destroyed.

It's already servicing attack choppers despite the ineffective cruise strikes.

https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/850345442542014464

The only reaction from Russia and their allies is "This is it?" And continue on.

Russia is sending ground troops and advisors to Hama city proper, words of massive Russian+allies preparations for an offensive on Idlib to deal with HTS once and for all. I expect Russian injection of more manpower and hardware as well as an Idlib offensive as the main response.

Why are people questioning it was the Syrian Armed Forces that used sarin gas?

Does ISIS/rebels have an Air Force all of a sudden?

Because chemical agents can be loaded into mortar rounds as well as rockets and artillery, no need for an air force to deliver chemical agents, think WW1.
 

faridmon

Member
Wow, some people are actually saying that Assad wasn't the one ho used the chemical attacks and could be any of the neighboring countries.

WTF?

I should stop reading comments under news article :(
 

SDCowboy

Member
Weak sauce response, less than half of the Tomahawks made it to target and most of them didn't even hit the airfield proper. By the photos released by the MOD the Runway will be operational in a week or two for fixed wing aircrafts. Only 6 planes were destroyed.

It's already servicing attack choppers despite the ineffective cruise strikes.

https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/850345442542014464

The only reaction from Russia and their allies is "This is it?" And continue on.

Russia is sending ground troops and advisors to Hama city proper, words of massive Russian+allies preparations for an offensive on Idlib to deal with HTS once and for all. I expect Russian injection of more manpower and hardware as well as an Idlib offensive as the main response.

The point of this wasn't to destroy the strip or the fleet. It was a warning. How many times does this need to be brought up?
 

BlisterBrown

Neo Member
The most humane thing in this shitshow likely is to accept refugees. But........... MORE BOMBS!
Yeah, accepting refugees and just letting Assad win might be the best option at this point.

Assad is fucking awful, but drawing out the conflict even longer hurts more innocents in the long run.
 

royalan

Member
The point of this wasn't to destroy the strip or the fleet. It was a warning. How many times does this need to be brought up?

Because if Trump was going to go through all this trouble, go around Congress, go around our allies, and spend 70+ million to send a "warning" he could have disabled the damn base.

Now Syria is digging their heels and Russia's getting more involved.
 
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