Inferno313
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Nah. That moment is and has to be Rey's moment. No one else's.
This is Rey's story, ultimately. Not Luke's anymore.
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Nah. That moment is and has to be Rey's moment. No one else's.
This is Rey's story, ultimately. Not Luke's anymore.
Then you saw where he said he was worried it would be that but in the finished film he thought it was fantastic and worked perfectly....which makes what you said completely false. Mark Hamill never once said his reveal was a cheap shot, he was worried it would be before they filmed it but thought it was done extremely well.
Why? Star Wars isn't about Luke anymore. It's Rey's story. She is the lead. She is the focus. It's her trilogy. Luke's story ended in 1983. He is only important in the context of Rey's story and her growth.
LegendofLex
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Bobby Roberts
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It really bothers you that people pay attention to me, doesn't it.
It's okay.
I pay attention to you.
You're not alone out here.
I see you!
Bobby Roberts
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This doesn't even make sense as a criticism.
And most of his frustration (such as it is) has to do with doing all that working out only to discover he's going to turn around and lift a hood.
Chained Prometheus
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Yup.
I still remember the cheering in the theater I was in on opening night when Rey caught the lightsaber. It's one of my favorite scenes in the whole saga tbh.
Bobby Roberts
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And yeah, Rey catching that saber is the moment of that movie, and arguably the series to that point.
That wasn't what he thought. He point blank said it wasn't. He said TFA worked fantastic and he was dead wrong. The idea that "people who liked the film mostly agreed that moment fell flat". What universe are you in? Most people didn't think that moment fell flat at all. You are projecting your own view on the audience and Mark Hamill himself, which goes against the actual reality of the situation.
And he said Rian Johnson is the best director he has ever worked with in his entire career.
How can you get these absurdly wrong false narratives from Mark Hamill when he is saying the exact opposite? He enthusiastically praises what Rian Johnson did.
Inferno313
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Which stuff? The evil clone shit? lmao
Bobby Roberts
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Probably the part where he grabs the camera, pulls it close to his bearded face, and screams the words "Wasted! Opportunities!" into it!
And then 6 different arms shoot out of his torso and simultaneously catch four lightsabers from offscreen while the remaining two hands rip his shirt off to reveal a 12 pack and a canyon-esque V-cut with the words "Only Yod Can Judge Me" tatted across his chest.
And then 6 different arms shoot out of his torso and simultaneously catch four lightsabers from offscreen while the remaining two hands rip his shirt off to reveal a 12 pack and a canyon-esque V-cut with the words "Only Yod Can Judge Me" tatted across his chest.
Having Luke, or at least Leia involved in Han's death scene.
It wasn't Luke's movie. His story ended in 1983. Hamill said he was wrong after seeing the completed film. He doesn't think it's a wasted opportunity.
That's like thinking Yoda should have rushed to the Death Star and watch Obi-Wan get killed by Vader because of his history and friendship with Obi-Wan.
Inferno313
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Eh. While it kinda sucks we won't get a new Han/Luke moment. We got to see Leia's reaction, in a manner that fit and built upon information we learned about her towards the end of the CT. There's literally no reason, given the story they decided to tell, for Luke to have been there in that moment. I think letting Rey's quest to find Luke be resolved that early, relative to the ending of the movie, would've lessened it's impact tremendously.
I don't know anyone personally who thought it fell flat. YMMV, I suppose.
I poked through his past Star Wars post history. It's riddled with Disney ruined Star Wars nonsense that its all about corporate needs now and that Rey is a bad character typical nonsense. At this point it's best to just ignore him.
Interfectum
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The biggest missed opportunity with Han's death was Leia hugging Rey instead of Chewy at the end. Even the first time I saw it I was like wtf.
Bobby Roberts
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Mark Hamill is spending a lot of time on the publicity circuit basically putting himself in the place of the average fan (which is a thing he does on the regular anyway) and saying that he also has the same sort of knee-jerk reactions that some fans have upon initially hearing of a certain direction, or finding out about certain details.
The point of him sharing the stories isn't to go "see, you guys are right to have knee-jerk reactions," it's to go "but then I saw what it was the directors/writers were going for, and I was open to it, and it turned out great"
Cutting off that second bit misrepresents why he's even bringing up the first bit.
(although normally, the first bit isn't really brought up in as much detail as he's been bringing it up, so that is interesting)
Did you count how many times he popped his head out of that cave and attempted pot-shots at my person like some sort of cross-eyed Tusken?
...
It's high.
It's very high.
The point of him sharing the stories isn't to go "see, you guys are right to have knee-jerk reactions," it's to go "but then I saw what it was the directors/writers were going for, and I was open to it, and it turned out great"
Cutting off that second bit misrepresents why he's even bringing up the first bit.
(although normally, the first bit isn't really brought up in as much detail as he's been bringing it up, so that is interesting)
Did you count how many times he popped his head out of that cave and attempted pot-shots at my person like some sort of cross-eyed Tusken?
...
It's high.
It's very high.
Lifejumper
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The Luke reveal gave us top 5 John Williams SW score.
Star Wars drama makes me so happy sometimes.
Also, both moments discussed here - Rey catching the saber and the Luke reveal at the end of the movie - were both honest spine tingling moments for me. I go back and forth on JJ Abrams as a director - he definitely has some flaws - but he can nail moments like that. And here he absolutely did.
I'm definitely not the kind of guy who cheers in movie theaters or anything. I'm a stoic robot when actually watching movies. But both those moments got me to do a little involuntary fist pump in my seat.
Coming from me, that's a huge emotional expression.
Also, both moments discussed here - Rey catching the saber and the Luke reveal at the end of the movie - were both honest spine tingling moments for me. I go back and forth on JJ Abrams as a director - he definitely has some flaws - but he can nail moments like that. And here he absolutely did.
I'm definitely not the kind of guy who cheers in movie theaters or anything. I'm a stoic robot when actually watching movies. But both those moments got me to do a little involuntary fist pump in my seat.
Coming from me, that's a huge emotional expression.
I don't understand why people are blissfully ignoring the second part even after it is pointed out to them.
Why aren't we seeing a youtube video spread around of the part where Mark Hamill declared Rian Johnson is the best director he has ever worked with in his entire career?
molnizzle
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Yup.
This is Rey's trilogy y'all. Luke is just the mentor.
For real. That actual Luke reveal was perfection.
Shame that JJ had to go and ruin it with the stupid helicopter shot for the final frame.
Killer Queen
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Bobby Roberts
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I don't know that it ruined it but it didn't have the desired effect, no.
Look, I love TFA. I can understand why they completely pushed out Luke to focus on the new generation, but I don't necessarily think the execution was fantastic.
The limited inclusion of Carrie Fisher when they returned to base was just simply an unfitting goodbye to Han Solo, in my eyes.
I really don't like Rey or the new characters that much. I like them but don't love them yet. My hype was always for Finn but look what they did for him. Idk this saga is looking that great for me. But I'll wait till the trilogy is over to judge. But I remember Luke Leia and Han got me hooked after a new hope
My theater went nuts when that happened, it was the first time they had cheered at something besides a returning character.
Lifejumper
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Nope. That was great.
This is the moment people should be complaining about. Luke should have been the final shot, the camera from above was a very poor choice
molnizzle
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Yup. I saw TFA like seven times during the first couple of weeks and there was always an eruption at that moment. Shit was hype.
I liked the helicopter shot. It's gotta be one of the only shots in the film with no effects. Yeah, it's a little unsteady, but the future is uncertain, ya know? It felt real to me. Two people on a hill, a windblasted camera struggling to keep them in frame, the promise of adventure...
Sure, I agree that Luke's has had his Trilogy and the new characters deserve their spotlight.
I do like TFA. But considering the importance of the OT characters to Star Wars as a whole, and that we were lucky enough to have them all cast again (excluding Billy Dee Williams), there are some storyline choices that make me feel they didn't really balance the old and the new as well as they could in TFA.
The general consensus I got after watching the movie was that the Luke intro was a bit anticlimactic and odd.
Not to mention Leia ignoring Chewbacca and hugging Rey. That's just dumb.
I do like TFA. But considering the importance of the OT characters to Star Wars as a whole, and that we were lucky enough to have them all cast again (excluding Billy Dee Williams), there are some storyline choices that make me feel they didn't really balance the old and the new as well as they could in TFA.
The general consensus I got after watching the movie was that the Luke intro was a bit anticlimactic and odd.
Not to mention Leia ignoring Chewbacca and hugging Rey. That's just dumb.
Inferno313
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Anticlimactic? It's literally the climax of the film!
Having Luke just show up 2/3rds into the movie to cry over Han is what would've been anticlimactic.
That would've been awesome for five seconds, then you realize how stupid and nonsensical that would be.
Luke's reveal was handled great. Yeah, the final shot itself is pretty weak, though. That same-styled distance shot from the TLJ trailer was framed better anyways.
I think the whole movie has some nice tunes, notably Rey's Theme, the Resistance theme and Jedi Steps. There's also the theme (or motif?) for Kylo Ren that's quite memorable.
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I also really like the song that plays when Rey and Chewbacca leave the Resistance base.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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It also probably had the best bit of the score in TFA, syncs really well with the theme and tone
Bobby Roberts
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I feel like the Leia/Chewie thing got way overblown way fast. I noticed it on first view but it didn't even occur to me to question it.
Like, it's possible Chewie didn't wanna hug her and she sensed that too. I mean, obviously, that's me caulking over a filmmaking mistake (they were supposed to have cropped that shot & missed it in the edit) but you know, Chewie could see it as something like: the only reason Han goes out there is because Leia asked him to do it for her, and so he goes out there to talk to the lost cause, and the lost cause kills him for it.
Chewie did also flat-out try to murder her kid less than an hour ago.
So maybe a hug right at that moment wouldn't be at the top of Chewie's priorities. I dunno.
It's a very tiny moment that goes by pretty quickly, and if you're focused more on Rey than anything, it glances off.
Like, it's possible Chewie didn't wanna hug her and she sensed that too. I mean, obviously, that's me caulking over a filmmaking mistake (they were supposed to have cropped that shot & missed it in the edit) but you know, Chewie could see it as something like: the only reason Han goes out there is because Leia asked him to do it for her, and so he goes out there to talk to the lost cause, and the lost cause kills him for it.
Chewie did also flat-out try to murder her kid less than an hour ago.
So maybe a hug right at that moment wouldn't be at the top of Chewie's priorities. I dunno.
It's a very tiny moment that goes by pretty quickly, and if you're focused more on Rey than anything, it glances off.
The Librarian
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That would be robbing our new lead of a moment she deserved -- and would've cheapened her character arc for the film. And the franchises first female lead, no less.
Rey grabbing the lightsaber in TFA is the best moment in the franchise.
Nah. That will forever be Anakin talking about sand, with the beloved diner scene with Dexter Jettster a close second.
LegendofLex
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Her arc so far is the most connected I've ever felt to any Star Wars character.
She's a great embodiment of what it means to be afraid to take the big risk to do the right thing, but to overcome that fear and step into your true self.
And that arc deserves the payoff from her fight with Kylo.
FriendlyGoat
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I was a bit annoyed at first, but I've come around. It's wartime, her guys are coming home beat up and Leia needs to maintain her cool. When you are dealing with grief, sometimes you just need a job and to delay dealing with your shit until things cool down. Chewie and Leia hugging or even openly acknowledging it would mean dealing with it right there, so they put it on hold to do their jobs: Chewie with seeing to Finn, and Leia with the shellshocked girl who just slashed her crazy-ass patricidal son.
LookAtMeGo
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Maybe Luke just teaches Rey how to use the force but nothing about the Jedi and when she finally asks about the Jedi, Luke stands at the mouth of the cave and says "its time for the Jedi to end" and leaps to his death.
Major story structure changes would be required to make this plausible. If you literally did this with no changes, it shatters believability, and would require a huge "this is how I got here" from Luke, which is totally inappropriate both during the climax and after. So then you gotta hint that Luke has been following them the whole time? You can't really do that, because the first shadowy figure shown following them would automatically be assumed to be Luke. So then you need a red herring shadowy figure...yadda yadda yadda, you have a huge story changes. Would these be worth it for a Luke entrance? Probably not, this ultimately is the story of the Force awakening in Rey, not the return of the Jedi.
Killer Queen
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JonnyDBrit
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In some ways, you could actually feed that into an arc between Chewie and Rey on Ahch-To. Like, his best friend just died, murdered by what was probably the in-universe equivalent of his godson, but he's had to just put up with it as they still need to find Luke. People might not even realise that there's a silent, seething rage bubbling beneath the surface because hey, everybody kinda presumes wookiees to loud and violent anyway.
All Luke would have to do is call attention to it like:
"Exactly how do you expect to save the galaxy, if you're not even helping someone right beside you?"
(INSERT REGRET OVER KYLO REN HERE)
Bobby Roberts
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brandonh83
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Some people say "oh TFA and everything not from Lucas feels like fanfiction" but do you know what would feel like fanfiction? That. The fact that Abrams didn't go in the direction that a lot of people would have with that moment is something that I applaud.
The saber going to Luke would have just given more fuel to people who think that the old characters are there to prop up the new characters, when Rey is the protagonist and that moment went to her to establish that and be a part of her arc.
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