MoodyFog
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A good summary for non-french :
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/...dium=social&cmpid==socialflow-facebook-brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/...dium=social&cmpid==socialflow-facebook-brexit
|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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I doubt 1 will happen, as Macron's whole shtick is being careful enough not to anger anyone.
2, 3 and 4, though? Yeah, that can totally happen. 3) especially is something I'm seeing a lot on my FB feed and on a French video game forum. It's all anecdotal obviously, but it scares me a bit if I'm honest. People really didn't learn anything from Trump v. Clinton... or Brexit... or Erdogan.
Lord Frieza
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Brexit had a large turnout, or at least a usual one. It's almost a myth at this point that turnout was part of the thing that lead to Brexit. Was turnout a big thing with Turkey, I don't know about that one.
Apparently putin's troll factory is fully working to create shit about macron
I don't think these people are prepared for what will happen on May 7th.
It looks like Le Pen has chosen to be an independent candidate in the second round #Presidentielle2017
My French isn't very good but thats what she is saying here right:
Seems like an odd choice.
My French isn't very good but thats what she is saying here right:
Seems like an odd choice.
Palette Swap
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Technically, she's still a member even if she isn't its president anymore. It's just marketing to say she goes beyond FN.
That speech was chilling.
Herb Alpert
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smoke mirror
"look, I don't represent a political party anymore, I want to be the president of all the French people"
She tries as hard as she can to make the FN stigma disappear, she wants to ease people fears.
You know, since Macron's "dinner with friends" yesterday, I have a bad feeling. I think they're too confident and consider that he already won. Remind me of Clinton.
A lot of peole I know won't vote. I will, against my conviction, but I'm really afraid she can make it.
Yeah, sorry, not what I meant. I meant that even assuming Macron is just another neoliberal, you gotta think carefully before abstaining during the second round. All those examples I mentioned have pertty much one origin: a wave of misplaced nationalism sweeping many countries. Do we want to join the wave, or make it crash and go back to the ocean?
whyamihere
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@journodave
Exit poll graphics of Macron and Le Pen make it look like they're two cops starring in a gritty crime drama. #Avote
HE'S an idealistic novice. SHE'S a fucking racist. Together, they are BANKER & NAZI.
Herb Alpert
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they will vote online tomorrow or wednesday and the result will be announced later this week.
expect a "vote against LePen"
Alx
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Yes it's a risk. I think the dinner thing is completely overblown as usual (I just looked up the menu of that restaurant, it's really nothing special for Paris, and what's wrong with going to the restaurant with your team after a major event ?). But apparently his speech seemed too focused about himself and felt overconfident (I didn't bother listening to most of it since he's such a terrible speaker).
JonnyDBrit
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...The sad thing is, I could actually see that sort of thing work as a premise.
Herb Alpert
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I'm not french, but I'd say that's a good strategy for her. Though she should have done that from the start if she wanted to win, running as an independent but with an unofficial help of the FN, I bet she could get more votes that way. But now? I don't think something like that can get her enough votes to close a gap of 20 or 30% in 2 weeks.
And just to be clear, I don't like her or her policies, I'm just kind of praising her campaign manager I guess.
whyamihere
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Honestly it comes across as pretty craven from Le Pen. She should've done this to begin with.
They're having a vote on whether or not to vote against LePen? :/
Coriolanus
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No one implied you missed anything, mate.
Palette Swap
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I don't believe for a second polls are unreliable, but the opinions they measure are, and as Le Pen said tonight, 10 points in two weeks is doable.If polls are accurate - which they were for round 1 - the votes will transfer like this:
or like this
It's a great test too. When people bring up his being a former banker, which is fair game, it's interesting to see who will also feel the urge to mention Rothschild.
whyamihere
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She's not down by 10. She's down by 20.
Alx
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whyamihere
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From her PoV, if she's at say 40 today, she only needs a bit more than 10. That's the long and short of it.
Edit: Jesus, if I hear or read one more time a special snowflake saying "well, Le Pen won't be able to govern anyway and she won't be elected" to justify staying home, I'm going to punch someone.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It was a good decision a year ago. It's a laughable decision today.
Apparently putin's troll factory is fully working to create shit about macron
If this guy is swedish then I'm from Mars.
Bloody hell. American white supremacists trying to pass themselves off as europeans is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the internet.
If LePen wins it's because people stayed home. Macron really needs to do more to fight voter apathy.
whyamihere
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Doing in that in two weeks would be, thought not impossible, but herculean. I don't know how she does that given her already entrenched numbers. She's not this new thing on the scene. She's Marine Le Pen.
Exactly, if she wanted to do things this way she should have done it sooner not 2 weeks away from the election.
That's also a possible view point. I'm not sure how political adds are done in France, but Macron could easily go with that to try and make her voters abstain, show them how this just makes her like any other politican.
Can't she go up by 10 reducing the absteinees instead of macron voters?Yeah but if she goes up 10 means the other goes down 10, and they're tied.
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Eh, the geotag shows atleast the IP adress is swedish. Don't be surprised that we've got far-right shitheads here as well.
Eh. VPNs mate.
I know you have your own kind of white supremacists in Sweden but the way he talks (perfect use of american lingo and grammar) and refers to himself as a swedish-cuk. Mmmmhhh. What kind of self loathing is that ? Pretty hard to believe it's from a genuine swede.
It's like textbook american alt-right basement dweller with the fantasized vision of all european men as weak cuckolds who like to watch their women get raped by refugees. You can't make it more american than that.
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Media can't say "FN leader" or far-right party leader anymore. The move can only help her and we can assume this means she will make some outreach to the far left. Same idea Trump had in trying to get Bernie's votes. Since her economic policies are mostly on the left, it's will help her contrast her position against Macron's weakest point which is his neoliberal economic policies.
Baby steps I guess.
Sure they can't say FN leader anymore, but you can always go with former leader of FN and far-right leaning candidate, it just depends on how much the media wants to let her off the hook.
I'm not convinced. The name Le Pen is synonymous with FN, it won't change anything.
Alx
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In the long term it could, I think she wanted to rename the party for a long time, to "Mouvement Bleu Marine", but the old guard of the FN didn't want to lose the name (also they may not have liked to see her name attached to the party, in case they wanted to take control
).I agree it's probably too late to do it now, but it can have its importance. Maybe she'll even try a big gamble to get the presidency, and make major promises in the next few days to appeal to non-FN voters...
Seriously? That was the name she wanted? Wow, she's more narcisitic than I thought.In the long term it could, I think she wanted to rename the party for a long time, to "Mouvement Bleu Marine", but the old guard of the FN didn't want to lose the name (also they may not have liked to see her name attached to the party, in case they wanted to take control
I agree it's probably too late to do it now, but it can have its importance. Maybe she'll even try a big gamble to get the presidency, and make major promises in the next few days to appeal to non-FN voters...
But renaming the party is very dangerous, this might really make their politicians more electable. Thank god the old guard was there to stop it..
My brother is beyond salty that Mélenchon didn't win and that I voted Macron, even though he himself didn't bother to vote. Now he's sending me videos and shit to show that Macron is a bad guy.
I don't get it, what's it trying to achieve?
I also can't really handle people freaking out about Le Pen's chances in the second round. I might just avoid threads about the subject and go do my job in two weeks to show the US/UK how it's done.
I don't get it, what's it trying to achieve?
I also can't really handle people freaking out about Le Pen's chances in the second round. I might just avoid threads about the subject and go do my job in two weeks to show the US/UK how it's done.
To be fair, he could also be Russian (or reading off a script).
Overtaking a 5 point lead is doable. Overtaking a 20 point lead would need something massive to happen outside of their control.
Wouldn't surprise me tbh. 4chan lingo + self loathing would lead there pretty easily.
She's going to target Mélenchon's voters for sure. It probably won't work on most of them but there is some overlap.
Don't you realize he has worked for Rotschild and is backed by Attali? He's the embodiment of financial fascism! He's nothing but a puppet for the media and capitalist interests!
/s, I'm so sick of the Insoumis right now.
whyamihere
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"Former FN leader", "far right candidate", etc. It's way too late to do this. If she were serious, she should've done this last year.
If I was to give the Macron campaign any advice right now it would be to lock down all IT resources with RSA SecureID, multi-factor authentication along with domain wide BitLocker encryption. It's two weeks between now and election day so introduce daily password resets on all party email accounts as well. Bring in DGSE if necessary.
A pain in the arse for sure but better that than fucking WikiLeaks dumping gigabytes of emails onto the internet on the eve of polling. GRU has already targeted Macron before so let's hope all necessary steps are being taken.
A pain in the arse for sure but better that than fucking WikiLeaks dumping gigabytes of emails onto the internet on the eve of polling. GRU has already targeted Macron before so let's hope all necessary steps are being taken.
Eolz
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This. She's really not some newcomer like Macron.
Macron already was at 20%+ in the surveys before he revealed his program. It proves that he's here only because of the Fillon problems and the "vote utile" thing.
As a FI voter, I don't know what to do at the moment. The only thing I know I'll not do is voting for Le Pen. No thanks.
As a FI voter, I don't know what to do at the moment. The only thing I know I'll not do is voting for Le Pen. No thanks.
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