13 years. That's not really 6 hours.
I guess we know why Trunks got so strong, the 10 minutes training Vegeta gave him were enough.
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13 years. That's not really 6 hours.
I guess we know why Trunks got so strong, the 10 minutes training Vegeta gave him were enough.
Icyflamez96
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Didn't realise there was a time limit
Icyflamez96
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The time limit to tell me when I'm wrong is always
The Silver
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Of course Goku would do that lmao
Because Krilin is also gonna do well ... ?
Also, I guess we pretty much know why
Goku is getting the mystic form from the OP if he loses to Gohan
It's kinda sad Piccolo can't use those magical gains for himself though, not gonna lie.
Icyflamez96
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Dub episode 16 is so awesome.
Undead Fantasy
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Because Toriyama says so.
Icyflamez96
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Honestly episode 16 may be the most quality episode of Super
It's at least top 3.
It's at least top 3.
I meant with how he will
perform against Gohan and Piccolo
Piccolo is like that one friend that's always single and has the best relationship advice.
Literally the same.
"Hey Gohan I can get you at a level beyond gods" "but i'll just hang there and remain a bit more powerful than Krilin "
Krilin is gonna train with 17 and 18 I assume. 17 should help both significantly.
Literally the same.
"Hey Gohan I can get you at a level beyond gods" "but i'll just hang there and remain a bit more powerful than Krilin "
Krilin is gonna train with 17 and 18 I assume. 17 should help both significantly.
Undead Fantasy
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A bit more powerful than Krillin? What are you talking about?
Piccolo is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
Piccolo is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
Icyflamez96
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How much more time do they even have to train? Wasn't it 40 hours until the tournament starts?
I swear it has already been like 3 days
I swear it has already been like 3 days
Undead Fantasy
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A bit more than 9 hours.
I was mocking the fact that he is in the exact same spot in the tier list now than he was before getting stronger.
Mister Wolf
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I'm waiting to see piccolo spar against Goku in God form so I can dismiss the the claim 17 is stronger.
Piccolo is the eternal Legendary Super Jobber
Not strong enough to be the most relevant but strong enough that his defeat means something
Not strong enough to be the most relevant but strong enough that his defeat means something
But Goku is holding back
Undead Fantasy
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We don't know that.
Icyflamez96
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Wasn't it night time when Goku was fighting Krillin? Then a day passed with the android 17 stuff. Then a day passed with the Gohan and Piccolo stuff.
Pankratous
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I wonder how Piccolo would have done against Frost now.
He's went from weaker than base Gohan to demolishing SSJ1 Gohan.
He's went from weaker than base Gohan to demolishing SSJ1 Gohan.
Undead Fantasy
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If Piccolo had this power in that tournament then he would have beaten every one of the U6 guys except Hit.
Inb4 Frost is now Golden Frost and has trained for six months
Icyflamez96
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never forget dog beerus
Mister Wolf
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But I was told Goku is waaaaaaaaay stronger than Gohans Ultimate form so no way should Piccolo be able to keep up with Blue form. I'm mean that's the whole basis of 17 being stronger.
Icyflamez96
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Maybe they just end up getting to the tournament late because they lost track of time and only Jiren is left
That's why I want a rematch.
Gohan and Piccolo was taking place at the same time as Goku and 17.
The end of the episode says there's 9 hours left, iirc.
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Well this didn't all happen in Bulma's backyard and it wasn't featuring only Goku Vegeta and Trunks while all the other characters watch passively and don't give a shit.
So by default this arc is already superior.
Gohan and 17 shining is the cherry on top.
CherryWoodFuton
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I want to see Whis fight
The Silver
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It will soon be specified that the 40 minutes for the tournament are actually Frieza minutes, prepare for an over 100 episode tournament.
RocknRola
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RocknRola
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Speaking of, according to the last episode there are some 9h (or so) left right? Wonder if anyone will use the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Even a couple of hours inside of it could lead to some more proper training for those that need it (like Tien, Krillin, 18, Roshi).
Didn't Vegeta use it during the Black arc for a couple of "hours" as well? Instead of a full Earth day.
You mean if he could handle Megetta who tanked a Final Flash.
To each their own on that one. I've been personally bored.
It was half a day. Not just a couple of hours.
This is a little odd, but sure.
Goku sandbags. Him using Super Saiyan against Gohan doesn't mean Gohan is equal to him. By that logic, Krillin is stronger than base form Goku since he 'made' him go Super Saiyan during their sparring match and Krillin 'held' back a Kamehameha from Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku for seconds.
And Trunks didn't force Goku to transformed. Look at the fight against. Super Saiyan 2 Trunks attacked Goku, Goku blocked and didn't even move, and easily caught Trunks wrists. He then transformed to show Trunks the level beyond Super Saiyan 2. Krillin did more to Goku during their sparring match than Trunks. At least he made Goku move.
We saw super base form Goku, or whatever you want to call it, when Goku fought Beerus when he was dressed as Monaka. Even if Beerus was holding back, Beerus two-shotted Super Saiyan 3 Goku with mess less effect than he put in that entire fight when he was pretended to be Monaka. There is also the fact that Goku in his base form fought Slim Buu who is faster and stronger than before, yet Goku didn't really get hurt, didn't bother to transformed, and wasn't really trying. Again, are you going to tell me that Krillin is stronger than Buu since he 'made' Goku transformed and even used his god power when Buu didn't?
And a retcon doesn't happen because you want it to. A retcon is acknowledge within the story just like Vegito.
StarPlatinumTheWorld
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Well Amazon fucked up my pre-order of Super Vol 1 that I ordered 6 months ago, not in stock anymore and no stock date, fantastic.
Hey HeroR there's a post for you on the last page about the two base theory.
No sure if you're teasing, but I will answer it here because, why not, I have no life.
The two base theory dies just by looking at the Champa Saga. If Goku had a weak base that he used against Frost, but a strong base that he used against Hit, why the hell no one commented on this? You would think Goku going from his 'Battle of Gods level' (which was weaker than Namek Saga Frieza) to 'Super Saiyan God level' (that nearly nuked the freaking universe) would get some comments. Yet, no one claimed that Goku got stronger. It's the opposite in fact when Hit called him naive for not transforming.
Another nail in the two-base theory, why would Goku even transformed if he had this ultra powerful base form? Transforming takes energy, even after he mastered Super Saiyan. So why not used his strong base and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Save energy. Why bother going weak base, Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3. It makes no sense from a practically POV and it goes against Goku's nature to go for energy efficient over power. That is why Toriyama said that Goku won't really used his Super Saiyan 2 and 3 anymore, or invent new Super Saiyan form.
And since I don't feel like editing my last post, I will say this about Super Saiyan 2 Trunks = Super Saiyan 2 Goku. If that was true, why was Black impressed by Goku's power. He's been kicking Trunks' scrawny ass for over a year and was never impressed with Trunks. Yet, Super Saiyan 2 Goku, 'oh wow, this is Son Goku's power'. Black should have been kicking Goku's shit in until he went at least Super Saiyan 3 instead of lowing himself to Trunks' level. And if they were only even, why did Black get such a massive boost from Goku, but never Trunks?
For the record, I wasn't teasing you.
I just remembered you had a rather complete argumentation on the matter, I didn't feel like having to go back into watching the episodes just to get the references right, so I figured I'd ask for your help !
That being said, I wonder if they're going to try to explain a two base theories by saying it was inconsistent kind of like Gohan's mystic form in Super, and then have Goku go "mystic" as hinted in the OP.
I just remembered you had a rather complete argumentation on the matter, I didn't feel like having to go back into watching the episodes just to get the references right, so I figured I'd ask for your help !
That being said, I wonder if they're going to try to explain a two base theories by saying it was inconsistent kind of like Gohan's mystic form in Super, and then have Goku go "mystic" as hinted in the OP.
RocknRola
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So a "long" couple of hours
Still assuming they use like, 6h, they should still see some improvements. Though given the leaks it doesn't seem like that'll be the case at all.
panthapanda
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Seriously, why has no one thought of this. Only 48 hrs to train and no one decides to go to the hyperbolic time chamber?
I suppose there isn't much urgency for the people who don't know but Goku is flying around and getting his ass handed to him. Hell, Piccolo and Gohan know and they're in the mountains to reminisce on old times lol.
Coming from you, that is a high compliment.
If there ever was a two-base thing going on the Champa Saga would be the place to show it since they could have easily shown that for the Frost and Hit fight, unless you believed Toriyama changed his mind in the Future Trunks Saga, which is again why? Toriyama makes his characters stronger, not hit strong characters with the nerf bat like a WOW patch. And still, if there was a retcon it would be acknowledged in-universe la Vegito.
Honestly, the whole two-base and retcon theories reek of sour grapes that Goku and Vegeta are so powerful that the Buu Saga's levels are the new Namek Saga and U6 (at the time) would have smashed U7 if it wasn't for Goku and Vegeta, also 17 as we later learned.
As for the intro, if you believe Goku has a version of Ultimate with god ki or something, it would surpassed Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. If anything, that would utterly disprove that Goku or Vegeta ever had a second stronger base form. With that said, I am not sure how a base form with god ki would surpassed Super Saiyan with god ki since Super Saiyan is a natural multiplier, unless Goku was using it to save energy.
The Hyperbolic Time Chamber is overrated. Trunks and Vegeta didn't even surpassed Goku and Gohan when they used it for less than day and they used it twice. Goku and Vegeta also didn't get a massive jump when they used it for three days outside of Goku's Kaoiken. The last time the Hyperbolic Time Chamber was really useful was for Vegeta surpassing Black, and then Black surpassed him by getting 'angry'.
BoG Goku's base form still had lingering SSG ki, for whatever reason
eventually Goku will learn to harness his ki to emulate God Ki and create SSGSS, but after that, his base form won't go back to BoG levels
why base Vegeta can kick SSJ3 Gotenks's ass? because Gotenks is shit now
eventually Goku will learn to harness his ki to emulate God Ki and create SSGSS, but after that, his base form won't go back to BoG levels
why base Vegeta can kick SSJ3 Gotenks's ass? because Gotenks is shit now
ArchedThunder
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I don't know how I missed the final sentence in the 90 preview
So we get a team battle AND a one-on-one between Goku and Gohan?
Got dayum. Though part of me thinks that the one-on-one will actually be in 91.
Got dayum. Though part of me thinks that the one-on-one will actually be in 91.
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