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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/hillary-clinton-why-i-lost-2016-election-237885

Leading Democrats across the country have been calling for a full accounting of Hillary Clinton's shocking loss to Donald Trump since November. They didn't get it Tuesday when the former secretary of state spoke with CNN's Christiane Amanpour.

In Manhattan for a Women For Women International charity luncheon, Clinton once again pointed her finger at Russian interference and FBI Director James Comey's influence as the proximate reasons for her defeat, in her most extensive remarks yet on the topic.

For the first time, Clinton publicly took on some of the blame: "I take absolute personal responsibility," she said. "I was the candidate. I was the person on the ballot. And I am very aware of, you know, the challenges, the problems, the, you know, shortfalls that we had."

But, she noted as she has to her friends and donors repeatedly since November, "I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey's letter on October 28th and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. And the evidence for the intervening event is, I think, compelling, persuasive."

Much more at the link. Edit: Didn't want to derail the story with my own opinions so I'll share them later in the thread.

 

[KHarvey16]

Analysis suggests that is an entirely defensible position to take.

 

[Goldenroad]

Not your fault that America is filled with bunch of racist, sexist, idiotic people Hillary.

 

[DietRob]

She's not wrong. It was one of many factors that caused her to lose. Not the biggest factor but without it I think she had the votes.

 

[reelbigtink]

Nothing we can do about it now, Hillary. Oh well.

 

[McDougles]

She should have told me herself in my rust belt home.

Oh wait.

 

[jon bones]

not untrue

 

[Feep]

In what way is she wrong, OP?

Of course, she's still culpable for stuff, but that's almost factually correct.

 

[SolarPowered]

She ain't wrong. Of course it was just one of many things (some her fault and some not) that came together to bring her down.

 

[yanipheonu]

It certainly wasn't a non-issue.

 

[kirblar]

Analysis suggests that is an entirely defensible position to take.

Yup. The polls crashed.

She can be blamed for being in that position to begin w/, but it definitely pushed it over the edge.

 

[Heroman]

Judging how the election went, If she wanted to win she should have been a KKK member

 

[rjinaz]

She's not wrong. I'm glad she is taking the ultimate responsibility for the loss though.

 

[Team Alucard]

At least Dukakis had the decency to piss off after he blew a winnable election.

 

[Earthbound64]

If they were "her voters," why would they be "scared off" by that?

At least Dukakis had the decency to piss off after he blew a winnable election.

Dukakis should've won

 

[Flying Toaster]

She is not wrong.

 

[chubigans]

In what way is she wrong, OP?

Of course, she's still culpable for stuff, but that's almost factually correct.

There were so, so, so many more problems before that even came up. According to the book anyways. Still readin' it though.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Are we really going to pretend that 'but her emails' wasn't a legit and very damaging talking point?

 

[Wanda/Wander]

I agree

 

[MHWilliams]

She is correct and poll numbers back that up. That said, that she was that close at all is another problem and she is a politician, so that's one of the things that you have to deal with.

 

[RustyNails]

The data supports Hillary's statement.

 

[Slayven]

I mean didn't numerous agencies come out and say Russia fucked with the election?

 

[DrSlek]

She should have told me herself in my rust belt home.

Oh wait.

I was going to post this. Was it Comey's fault the Rust Belt turned red?

 

[diaspora]

That's a logical and probably accurate assessment.

 

[Zackat]

It was the last straw, certainly.

 

[Nafai1123]

She ain't wrong even if she made mistakes in the campaign.

 

[Armaros]

In the middle of reading Shattered, and hoo boy, she has learned nothing.

Much more at the link.

"I take absolute personal responsibility," she said. "I was the candidate. I was the person on the ballot. And I am very aware of, you know, the challenges, the problems, the, you know, shortfalls that we had."

But, Hey whats one more talking point without reading the entire article.

Its even in the line RIGHT above the bolded text in the OP.

 

[Aaron]

I mean didn't numerous agencies come out and say Russia fucked with the election?

Not all of them. The FBI were too busy fucking with the election.

 

[PBY]

One of many factors, definitely.

However - if the Dems want to win, they can't rely on this. The fact that an intervening event tipped the election to Trump of all candidates (and in the process, losing states like PA and OH) shows that the Dems need to learn other lessons from 2016.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Squeaking by against Trump isn't a good look either.

 

[chubigans]

She is correct and poll numbers back that up. That said, that she was that close at all is another problem and she is a politician, so that's one of the things that you have to deal with.

That's a much better way of putting it actually.

But, Hey whats one more talking point without reading the entire article.

Did you read it? She immediately pivoted back to those events.

"So, I mean, you just can't make this stuff up. So did we make mistakes? Of course we did. Did I make mistakes? Oh my gosh, yes. You know, you'll read my confession and my request for absolution."

"But the reason why I believe we lost were the intervening events in the last 10 days,"

 

[Slayven]

But, Hey whats one more talking point without reading the entire article.

HRC will never not be "That bitch eating crackers" to some people

 

[SerAardvark]

I mean didn't numerous agencies come out and say Russia fucked with the election?

Yes, and Clinton also takes personal responsibility in the quote above the bolded stuff.

Almost as if OP bolded that quote (and chose the thread title) trying to rile people up...

 

[CrimsonSquall]

This is correct. But people will spout muh sore loser in offense to this

 

[Selddon]

I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 

[Intheflorsh]

Probably, but if she ran a better campaign she would have won regardless.

 

[TAJ]

It was the difference between winning and losing. That's just fact.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

In the middle of reading Shattered, and hoo boy, she has learned nothing.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/hillary-clinton-why-i-lost-2016-election-237885



Much more at the link.

Did you also think Clinton was just simply the "lesser of two evils" between her and Trump?


you had your talking point and you're the OP, try reading what you post next time

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I'm not entirely convinced late undecideds would have broken for her in the absence of Comey, but it's true the race was close enough that it's hard to tell.

 

[NimbusD]

Yeah I don't see what's wrong with this other than she should probably stay off of talking about the election and move on.

 

[cheezcake]

It's true but it also wasn't the biggest contributor to her loss

 

[brandonh83]

I'm still not exactly sure what facts were in those leaks that could scare people off into voting for Donald fucking Trump.

 

[tearsintherain]

The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too

 

[paperboywriter]

I would be rather quiet about external factors when you obviously made big mistakes during the election. Leave that to the historians.
Everyone believed this was a very easy win for the dems but they failed nevertheless.

 

[Chumly]

She's absolutely correct. There is no disputing this.

I don't know why people get so uptight about the fact that there are multiple reasons why she lost BUT if only one of those things would have changed it would have pushed her over the edge.

 

[RPGCrazied]

She's not wrong. Say whatever you want about her, but this was on point.

 

[jon bones]

But, Hey whats one more talking point without reading the entire article.

Its even in the line RIGHT above the bolded text in the OP.

why read when you can get some HOT TAKES in

 

[Brakke]

Quote is totally reasonable and probably correct. If you wanna talk about how her candidacy should have been strong enough to sruvive those blows... we could do that I guess?

But also:

hoo boy, she has learned nothing.

Even if it was true, so what? It's not like it matters what her takeaway is, she's not going to get to run again.

 

[KHarvey16]

The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too

Did your kids read the article or no? Maybe ask them what it said.

 

[diaspora]

The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too

"I take absolute personal responsibility," she said

Did I make mistakes? Oh my gosh, yes.

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