TheUntamedLegend
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The Comey thing was absolutely the blue shell that cost her the election.
Clinton: 'I was on the way to winning' until Comey, Russia intervened
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Into the Light
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As someone who has traveled a lot in my life, It hurts me to see so many say what an awful country the US is. Some of you have no idea how lucky you are. Truly.
Go visit a place like Honduras, Or even Turkey for that matter, and then tell me how awful you have it here. While you may not like who is in charge of it all. We are so lucky to have what we have available to us here. It boggles my mind to see so much hate for a country that affords you so much in the way of freedom and amenities. I wont even get into Europe.
Thats all I wanted to say. Im sure Ill get blasted for it.
Go visit a place like Honduras, Or even Turkey for that matter, and then tell me how awful you have it here. While you may not like who is in charge of it all. We are so lucky to have what we have available to us here. It boggles my mind to see so much hate for a country that affords you so much in the way of freedom and amenities. I wont even get into Europe.
Thats all I wanted to say. Im sure Ill get blasted for it.
RustyNails
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Partly.
Russian fake news websites microtargeted people living in Rust Belt on facebook and bombarded them with just propoganda.
The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too
Know how i know you didn't read the article ?
SilentRacoon
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If they were so easily scared off, they were not your voters to begin with, and more effort could have gone towards actually securing those who shifted their support.
I H8 Memes
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She will always have that Statue of Happiness though. A testament to a woman who was always sticking her nose in the most inane shit just to improve her profile. Of course she was the better candidate. The only qualified candidate really. But there were a thousand cuts that lost her the election, and more than a few of them were self inflicted.
Ziltoidia 9
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Comey letter/Wiki Leaks ALONG WITH not campaigning enough in some of the rural rust belt cities could have could have help her causes. But all 3 happening really hurt them.
"30 years of attacks....GOP really loves her!"
"30 years of attacks....GOP really loves her!"
Fenderputty
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It's posts like these that make me glad she hasn't stopped talking, honestly.
Vincent Alexander
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I am thoroughly surprised people haven't dogpiled on her yet for saying this. But ya know...she isn't wrong. People just need to remember that she isn't saying these are the only factors. Her specific statement is that considering everything, she was on her way to win until these specific events happened. Now if these events happened, but she had also taken other steps...like visiting particular state more...that is a whole other debate.
Eh, I'm happy to gut the OP back to the link and quote instead. That should inspire some better discussion.
Weird that factual assessments are a defense force?
Stating she is taking blame, then blaming something else right after isn't taking responsibility.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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But it is her fault that the Democrats couldn't run someone more likable or with less skeletons in their closet.
Vladimir Putin
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Psychoward
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The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too
You mean it isn't 100% entirely someone's fault when millions of Americans vote for a lying, homophobic, idiotic, sexist, white supremacist instead of a decent candidate with a few flaws who admitted she also made some mistakes? huh
PeakPointMatrix
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No one is saying it was the only problem, but in terms of timing and the percentage it did affect in the final hours, it was the last tipping point that got us
Narrative already been shaped
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Very transparent thread. As she herself mentions, she made big mistakes that contributed to the loss, just like Comey did, just like Trump's jobs rhetoric did, just like numerous things did. As has been the case for the last several months, anyone that tries to say it wasn't both her and external factors is being ignorant.
Reading-comprehension is piss-poor as it is, throw in a Hillary related article and we've got a cesspool.
LegendofLex
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I mean, I definitely think the "she can't be trusted" issue was the one that cost her popularity and ultimately the election.
But I think she would have made a more compelling case for her candidacy if her camp actually treated this election as if it was likely going to swing back across party lines like it does after most recent two-term presidents.
But I think she would have made a more compelling case for her candidacy if her camp actually treated this election as if it was likely going to swing back across party lines like it does after most recent two-term presidents.
madstarr12
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Comey and WikiLeaks had a connection as well, let's not kid ourselves. But she does at least understand that she is also to blame, and she acknowledged that.
OP, you should highlight this as well, because people are obviously not reading the whole thing.
I mean, I don't know what people expect. She can't go and tell her donors "no, this was totally self inflicted, we ran a shitty campaign and you all wasted your money on morons". Not to mention the damage it would do to the careers of her campaign staff. She's doing exactly what you'd expect: deflecting blame from others by taking personal responsibility for her own faults while also pointing out external factors outside of anyone's control.
Bruce Springsteen
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The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too
if you spent the same time actually reading the article instead of looking for that corny Stars Wars GIF to look cool on the forums, you'd realize she owns up to a lot
I watched her interview. She accepted personal responsibility for her campaign's loss.
I wasn't talking about her, I'm talking about you.
It was normal for SoSes to do prior to her being there and it was only an issue because the GOP had 8 years to latch onto anything and everything to try and make it one.
Benghazi didn't stick, but that did.
boiled goose
good with gravy
She was on track to win by a narrow margin but against a clown like Trump it should have never been close.
Also, while Comey letter was a nothing burger, WikiLeaks were largely true things, even if one sided
Trump, a coward exploitative, lying billionaire outflanked Hillary on populism. Shows how sucky of a candidate she was. She couldn't go further left because her donors wouldn't like it.
Also, while Comey letter was a nothing burger, WikiLeaks were largely true things, even if one sided
Trump, a coward exploitative, lying billionaire outflanked Hillary on populism. Shows how sucky of a candidate she was. She couldn't go further left because her donors wouldn't like it.
Psychoward
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Acknowledging that you messed up while also stating other factors that contributed to your loss is taking responsibility and looking at the situation with a holistic point of view.
Contributions to her loss are hardly a complete factual assessment of why she lost.
She should also be saying, yeah, I fucked up not being in WI, PA, and MI because Florida and Ohio are far from a sure thing ever for a dem.
You can't just rely on NY and CA to win the presidency. She spent an insane amount of time in NY, which was a sure thing. If she can't handle a rigorous travel schedule she had no business running, imo.
cheezcake
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This isn't productive man, most dont. A couple posters do and are vocal about it but they seem a minority. Turning it into undirected attacks like this is why every fucking politics thread on here time travels back to the dem primaries
EatinOlives
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On the one hand, those are definitely factors.
On the other, there were definitely more. Refusing to set foot in the rust belt states despite many (including Bill) telling the campaign otherwise was just boneheaded.
It's a bit of column A and column B. At the same time, though, the quoted part in the OP has her clearly take responsibility.
People voting Trump were not informed, full stop. Facts didn't matter to them as they voted a blatantly corrupt, misogynist, racist xenophobe into the Oval Office. They continue to be uninformed as they make excuses for or just flat out ignore Trump's trash fire of a presidency. Comey's letter damaged Hillary because in their eyes it "looked" bad, not because it was bad, or because anything was discovered. They just saw the word "investigation" and went hog-wild.
On the other, there were definitely more. Refusing to set foot in the rust belt states despite many (including Bill) telling the campaign otherwise was just boneheaded.
It's a bit of column A and column B. At the same time, though, the quoted part in the OP has her clearly take responsibility.
People voting Trump were not informed, full stop. Facts didn't matter to them as they voted a blatantly corrupt, misogynist, racist xenophobe into the Oval Office. They continue to be uninformed as they make excuses for or just flat out ignore Trump's trash fire of a presidency. Comey's letter damaged Hillary because in their eyes it "looked" bad, not because it was bad, or because anything was discovered. They just saw the word "investigation" and went hog-wild.
She's taking responsibility for the factors she had control over. Her point about outside factors is perfectly reasonable given what we know.
BrutishMrFish
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It was the same conclusion that Trump's people came to, so there's nothing wrong with her position. Maybe she would have won if she had campaigned everywhere or if she handled her scandals better, but there's no denying that the letter was something that mattered.
Oh just you wait. This thread will turn to shit soon enough.
She took responsibility for those kinds of shortcomings.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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Dukakis should've won
Nah, Dukakis was like Mondale. Thrown out there to get slaughtered, saving someone better for later. He only had slim chances to begin with, the campaign blunders sealed the deal.
Also, I like how Hillary is putting most of the blame elsewhere when it was her campaign that blew it. There was no reason at all for the numbers to be close enough in the rust belt states for Comey to swing the election, and yet they were. They ignored the blue wall thinking it was already in the bag and spent (wasted) money elsewhere trying to flip other states. They seemed to be thinking like a lot of people on GAF, the GOP was on its last legs and they wanted to go for the killing blow. Instead, they got blindsided by the fact that 'Hey, Trump is actually speaking to the people that we have been actively ignoring" and spent the last week desperately covering ground they should have been hitting from day one to ensure they got the votes.
Comey, the Russians, blame them all you fucking want. Her campaign put itself into a position where it could lose, not anyone else. They blew it, and now they are still lashing out trying to make sure everyone else gets the majority of the blame instead of them.
It is factually true, and she acknowledges her campaign made mistakes. Do you want an itemized description of every single mistake?
Saying "I'll take full responsibility" and then moments later saying "But really it was Russia/Wikileaks/James Comey" is bullshit. That's "I'm sorry you were offended" levels of bullshit. You can't take responsibility for something and then immediately blame other people.
Did those things factor in? Of course. But she should never have been even close to losing to someone as obviously unfit as Donald J. Trump.
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And people who still bring up the primaries blame Hillary or the DNC for crushing Bernie instead of Bernie taking responsibility for losing. Even though Bernie himself admitted he lost fair and square and to vote for Hillary.
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