Psychoward
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Sounds like your outrage should be directed at the people who voted for Trump and all of the other factors that contributed to Hillary's loss instead of just Hillary then huh
Clinton: 'I was on the way to winning' until Comey, Russia intervened
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Sounds like your outrage should be directed at the people who voted for Trump and all of the other factors that contributed to Hillary's loss instead of just Hillary then huh
Robdraggoo
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The odds were incredibly in her favor. Maybe it was my fault for skipping home after work buying a bottle of wine and getting ready to call my trump supprting relatives to bask in there tears * hyperbole.
But I'm sure at the very least that anyone here would have not given trump a gnats dick length of a chance of winning the thing.
TestOfTide
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No by your own explanation, she does NOT bear FULL responsibility. Only partial responsibility.
And even if she DID barely win, it wouldn't have mattered because there would have still been a GOP senate and house.
excelsiorlef
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I mean the reality is I'm sure part of the reason some are downplaying Russia/Wikileaks is because they're the same people using those sources as proof that the DNC rigged the primary against Sanders...
And god knows the Young Turks prayed the FBI would indict her so that Bernie could takeover after he officially lost the primay.
And god knows the Young Turks prayed the FBI would indict her so that Bernie could takeover after he officially lost the primay.
The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too
Hopefully your kids don't take too much after you. Especially if they want good reading comprehension skills.
A poll recently came out in which Obama turned Trump voters actually said that they felt Trump better supported their economic interests. There was a big gap. It's important to remember that many of the rustbelt voters that won Trump the election had previously supported Obama. The poll was on Reddit the other day, I'll look for it.
The point is that the DNC is pointing fingers at a lot of excuses for Hilary's failure (racism, sexism, Russia) and these may all be contributing, to varying degrees that are essentially impossible to measure. But there's little attention given to the failure by the Obama administration (and the Democrat's more generally) to represent the interests of poor and middle class rural voters.
The point is that the DNC is pointing fingers at a lot of excuses for Hilary's failure (racism, sexism, Russia) and these may all be contributing, to varying degrees that are essentially impossible to measure. But there's little attention given to the failure by the Obama administration (and the Democrat's more generally) to represent the interests of poor and middle class rural voters.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Nah, Trump voters are the one group never held responsible for Trump being elected lol
Icedburden
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There isn't. But people nowadays like complaining, feeling sorry for themselves and surround themselves with selfish ideals and motives.
I was fucking homeless as a kid. I didn't complain and whine and tell everyone a sob story, I picked myself up and worked hard. I treasure every belonging I have.
I'm glad you try to be positive, keep at it.
Not really? Unlikely voters skew Democratic.
I don't think it's a correct strategy to orient your messaging entirely around what people who voted for Trump want to hear from the Democratic Party. It's bad for the Democratic base, who run the party via volunteering and donations, and it normalizes toxic ideas by making them bipartisan.
Dems should just focus on saying whatever their base wants to hear and assume the people who voted for Trump will just decide to vote Democratic next time because they don't like Nazis and/or want better services.
But Hillary should take a break either way.
If only the FBI had leaked both of the other investigations too...
Psychoward
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If there's one thing that helps inspire voter confidence it's having the previous candidate of the same party get arrested.
/s
It wasn't an easy win for the eleven other Republican candidates, why would it be easy for Clinton? Hell I didn't think America could be so fucking stupid, but here we are.
because they were always going to vote for trump
you can't expect snakes to not be snakes
Yes but he still managed to get 43% of the popular vote and most likely would have won if there were more states that allowed independents to vote in primaries. Independent votes would have ment more in the general election as well.
Psychoward
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It really is something isn't it?
Carpe Libertatem
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i would've hoped that people would actually learn something from the fact that Donald Trump is now the POTUS
instead, they still want to dismiss him and talk about how easily he should've been beaten
Tranqueris
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BREAKING NEWS: Hillary's emails for the 200th day.
Asshole pundit: "Also did you guys know that she's super dishonest? She's the most dishonest candidate in history."
Person watching the news: "Wow she's that dishonest? I need to tell everyone how dishonest she is."
Asshole pundit: "For some reason people in the polls keep saying how dishonest she is, they just don't trust her."
Well I'm not surprised that's something people latched on to, especially when they can't take a good long look in the mirror and admit that they got played by falling for the narrative that Wikileaks and the Russians wanted them to believe.
To be fair, I have been seeing less of the DNC robbed Bernie garbage but I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now the people that still believe it, have turned it into some giant myth where the DNC was so powerful that they paid off the 3 million voters that wanted Hillary instead.
In case people forgot, which apparently some already have.
She is not taking "some" responsibility. She said, and i quote, i take absolute personal responsibility. Again, she is being vague about what she did wrong and putting emphasiso the russia part so obviously she ain't admitting anything precise
I will ne3d to wait to see some change in the democratic party to decide whether the party has course changed
Basically, i need to see the receipts about change, ablut clinton admitting the specific problems of her campaign, about the party changing in response to this gigantic defeat
All i see is whining about thibgs out of her control and not even personal change
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If that's the case then why are so many liberals hellbent on "winning them back"
Of course the FBI played a part in her losing but I think she still would have lost had Comey never come out and said anything, and I don't really think it's controversial to say that.
There are so many people within the Democratic Party that could have wiped the floor with Trump. Had Biden ran he would have fucking annihilated the Donald. We should all be hoping Diamond Joe runs in 2020, he probably has the best chance at taking the incumbent Drumpf down.
There are so many people within the Democratic Party that could have wiped the floor with Trump. Had Biden ran he would have fucking annihilated the Donald. We should all be hoping Diamond Joe runs in 2020, he probably has the best chance at taking the incumbent Drumpf down.
Maintenance
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You're going to try and tell me that the - even though now we know they were wrong - polls didn't predict Hillary winning? And I'm not saying one or two, basically all of them had her winning.
paperboywriter
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come on, it should have been so easy, everyone thought it would be easy. but instead a goddamn orange clown is destabilizing the world right now.
Carpe Libertatem
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national polls had her winning by about the same amount that she won nationally.
state polls are a different story, but are significantly less reliable especially if the states aren't polled frequently.
Icedburden
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Well it's true. Sorry to tell you. What Clinton did, whether you choose to accept the truth or not, was illegal. The sad fact is I'd still rather have her than trump.
Earthbound64
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Really?
Psychoward
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I'd assume because those liberals aren't in groups that Trump and his admin have targeted and/or haven't conversed with a lot of Trump voters.
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Right, but unlikely voters are... unlikely to vote, so trying to rely on them as a path to electoral victory has some pretty serious flaws.
I think this is misunderstanding. I'm not saying that Democrats tell them what they want to hear. I'm saying that Democrats need to try and persuade them of what the Democrats believe.
But this loses elections, because the current Democratic base (that is: people who voted Democrat) didn't add up to 270 electoral votes.
What you're doing is barreling ahead with your preconceived narrative and dismissing what's being said to avoid questioning it. Your reasoning is illogical only because it has to be to perpetuate your dogma.
excelsiorlef
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Nope
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
There is no way in which Sanders would have beaten Clinton
Psychoward
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It should have been yeah but the world isn't perfect and the US has a lot of shitters in it. I mean, W got re-elected just a little over a decade prior.
exactly, it's a terrible strategy
you have to get voters enthused. there were plenty of democrats who stayed home this election, people who were excited about Obama but bored or disinterested in Hillary. you need to reach them, and fear tactics and a host of negative campaign ads didn't work to get them in gear.
Carpe Libertatem
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maybe it wasn't going to be so easy after all and we were all wrong?
Well, she did tell us about "superpredators" so... >_>
Ah, so it was illegal despite it not breaking any laws. Strange.
Maintenance
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War president, whole different story.
Republicans could've ran a used condom and still pulled within 5 percentage points. There's just a certain amount of the country that will pull R regardless.
That all being said, Clinton made several tactical unforced errors in her campaign.
DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, you should be asking what the fuck is wrong with almost 63 million Americans, now shouldn't you?
vainglorious
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Yes it would have mattered. After 8 years of squeezing water from stone and incremental progressive initiatives and change Obama's entire legacy is being wiped out by Trump.
TestOfTide
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Long term it absolutely wouldn't have mattered for a few reasons:
1) The GOP senate would have continued to block SCOTUS appointments
2) She wouldn't get any legislation passed
3) She would have only lasted one term
4) It would have been followed up by Dems getting completely slaughtered in 2018
And if Hillary had won, that shit would have happened again in four years after Hillary would inevitably lose reelection. The GOP would use their control of both houses of congress to literally eep Hillary from being able to do anything.
gutter_trash
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didn't take long for an HRC thread get hijacked by Busters
she is partially right but she should have listened more to her husband Bill instead of freakin' Mook.
Bubba was right all along
she is partially right but she should have listened more to her husband Bill instead of freakin' Mook.
Bubba was right all along
paperboywriter
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we obviously were and underestimated trumps campaign strategy. I just hope that the right lessons are going to be learned from it.
Did that ACA repeal go through and I missed it?
For Sanders to have won he would have needed there to be more I voters than D voters in the Dem primary: http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/ (Clinton was pulling about 2:1 w/ Dems, Sanders 2:1 w/ Independents.)
That would never, ever happen.
We all thought it would be easy, but the fucker steam rolled his opponents to get the nomination, that is what I am talking about.
Fuck THIS. It most certainly would have mattered.
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