It's a bit tropey though? (I realise most things are). The 'appeal to love/emotion to break through brainwashing/memory loss'
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It's a bit tropey though? (I realise most things are). The 'appeal to love/emotion to break through brainwashing/memory loss'
It's not all completely assumed if you've seen all the films they spell out the nature of their relationship pretty well in the brief times you see them share a scene. If anything, the Avengers films spell out why they shouldn't like each other (and therefore have an antagonistic relationship) way more than why they should be friends. The fact that they are friends at all is due to the respect they build for each other (Tony "making the sacrifice play" at the end of The Avengers, for example, or Steve just actually being as good a person as the stories he's heard about him have said)
The scenes of them together in Civil War mostly revisit things have been laid out in other films, but that scene where Tony is trying to get Steve to sign after Bucky is captured says everything the audience needs to know about why it goes beyond just the difference of opinions on the Accords. The airport battle shows the point where they are literally on opposite sides of a dispute, then as Tony realizes that Cap was telling the truth and attempt to stop Zemo and make things right, that's when Zemo reveals his plan was never about trying to activate the Winter Soldiers but to tear apart the Avengers, with the juiciest dirty laundry ever. We even had the twist heavily implied in The Winter Soldier, and while they could have left it as an easter egg of sorts and never confirmed that it was actually Bucky, they went through with it in Civil War and I think it was obvious to anyone that learned of that "blink and you miss it" reveal, that if Tony ever found out the truth, the repercussions would be significant.
I could see someone who isn't as invested in the overall story spanning several films to be less invested with Steve and Tony's conflict as presented in just Civil War, but it's definitely there in the text.
Patrick Bateman
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Btw. was the Zune-bit a serious ad or was it more like "lol he made the jump from cassette to MP3, but he didn't get an iPod but a Zune."?
A trope is a storytelling motif and merely invoking a trope is neither good nor bad. What's more important is whether a story does the necessary leg work to make the trope earned within the wider context of the narrative.
Microsoft discontinued the Zune line in 2012 so it doesn't really do much for them being included in GotG2 now. Within the context of the story it makes far more sense for Peter to receive a Zune as opposed to an iPod because it continues the joke of outdated technology being a centerpiece of a Sci-Fi franchise filled with unbelievably advanced technology.
Glass Rebel
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
A serious ad for what? Zune is dead. People buying them now are getting them on the secondary market, which Microsoft isn't getting money from. It's like buying a used game. The joke is that these people are so disconnected from Earth that they think everyone would be using a Zune. Star Lord had to take that at face value since he hasn't been there since he was a kid. If it was an iPod, there would be no joke since that was the most popular MP3 player.
Fast Forward
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I thought it was pretty clever. A typical hollywood movie would have given him a iPhone, but nope, not this movie. They give Peter a Zune. Hell, I never even had a Zune (I had a Clip+), but I thought that was joke was great.
If anything, it could been a Discman instead.
Patrick Bateman
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Thanks guys, that was what I meant.
Glass Rebel
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Impossible to use in action.
How dare you.
broncobuster
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Discman is more relevant than Zune in 2017, though.
Giving Peter something relevant misses the point.
Fast Forward
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IDK. Never finished Dark World. Lost interest after about 20 minutes, and I liked the first the movie. I think Dark World, FTM, is the only MCU movie I have not watched, along with the Hulk reboot.
Ragnarok looks great, though.
Fast Forward
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IDK. Just a random thought I had. I mean, it came to mind as a possible alternative idea, seeing how the Sony Discman was the successor to the Sony Walkman, but it is still a dated/obsolete product, so the joke would still work.
That being said, I think they made the right choice with the Zune bit. Great joke.
The Zune joke was the most clever joke of the movie.
Also the more I read this thread the more I think of the good things this movie had but how if failed to connect them all to me.
Some really great character moments for sure but I feel their impact could've been bigger. Very uneven movie.
Also the more I read this thread the more I think of the good things this movie had but how if failed to connect them all to me.
Some really great character moments for sure but I feel their impact could've been bigger. Very uneven movie.
Was Ego in human form in those other alien relationship pictures? lol, as a sentient planet capable of forming himself, I would have thought he'd pull an Alcazar lol
White dude is best dude in the universe
Monocle
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So yeah I saw this again, and the jokes land just as well the second time around. The only part that dragged for me was the end fight, just because I already knew the outcome and I was a little impatient to get to the concluding scenes.
GotG 2's greatest strength is the way it doubles down on the core formula of the orginal: goofiness juxtaposed with emotional truth. Every important scene in the sequel is driven not by blind momentum, or fanservice, or exposition, but the emotional core of the characters. They're all damaged and incomplete people in one way or another, chasing after what they think they're missing.
At this point GotG2 probably tops the first film for me. The emotional beats are spot on and pack a hell of a punch, the villain is easily one of the best in the Marvel cinematic universe, the setpieces are damn cool (Yondu's arrow you guys. Enough said), the jokes are hilarious and memorable with only a few sort of lame exceptions, and the soundtrack is an impeccable match to each scenemost definitely rivaling the music of the first film.
Also, (cameo spoiler)
Get out of here.
GotG 2's greatest strength is the way it doubles down on the core formula of the orginal: goofiness juxtaposed with emotional truth. Every important scene in the sequel is driven not by blind momentum, or fanservice, or exposition, but the emotional core of the characters. They're all damaged and incomplete people in one way or another, chasing after what they think they're missing.
At this point GotG2 probably tops the first film for me. The emotional beats are spot on and pack a hell of a punch, the villain is easily one of the best in the Marvel cinematic universe, the setpieces are damn cool (Yondu's arrow you guys. Enough said), the jokes are hilarious and memorable with only a few sort of lame exceptions, and the soundtrack is an impeccable match to each scenemost definitely rivaling the music of the first film.
Also, (cameo spoiler)
David Hasselhoff. Like seriously, a cameo and a credits song?
Saw this for a second time, in 3D (in a cinema screen that has the best 3D I've seen) and I liked it even more the second time. Pretty much love this film. Yeah it won't consume my thoughts for days, but for what it is it absolutely knocks it out the park. And what it is is a rollercoaster fun action packed emotional thrill ride. Just all out fun. It's a comedy action film basically with a surprising emotional punch at the end (and really it's nice to see a movie effectively about adoption and how real fathers can let you down).
I reckon it's better than the first to be honest. Cannot wait for the third and I hope they round this trilogy off and do it justice.
Whatever complaints people have I just find them a bit meaningless when I consider I sat there from beginning to end just being entertained, never bored, but equally never feeling like anything was rushed. To me it was kinda perfect pacing wise. I don't get the complaints at all unless you're expecting more than a fun funny action film, at which it doesn't miss a beat as far as I'm concerned.
I reckon it's better than the first to be honest. Cannot wait for the third and I hope they round this trilogy off and do it justice.
Whatever complaints people have I just find them a bit meaningless when I consider I sat there from beginning to end just being entertained, never bored, but equally never feeling like anything was rushed. To me it was kinda perfect pacing wise. I don't get the complaints at all unless you're expecting more than a fun funny action film, at which it doesn't miss a beat as far as I'm concerned.
Valkerionseven
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Just saw it during my trip to Hong Kong. This might be one of my favorite Marvel movies. This is coming from someone who does not really get why the first had so many fans.
I like that they focused down on the characters emotions more, while not a huge overall arc compared to the first, tying things down helped a lot. Visually the best Marvel has done bar none. Always had a complaint about how cheap a lot of parts of Avengers looks but this looked great beginning to end.
Love all the shoutouts and just going for easter eggs. Definitely felt like a Rocket/Quill movie and everything else was just side but that's fine, we could have figured that would happen since the reactions to the first.
I like that they focused down on the characters emotions more, while not a huge overall arc compared to the first, tying things down helped a lot. Visually the best Marvel has done bar none. Always had a complaint about how cheap a lot of parts of Avengers looks but this looked great beginning to end.
Love all the shoutouts and just going for easter eggs. Definitely felt like a Rocket/Quill movie and everything else was just side but that's fine, we could have figured that would happen since the reactions to the first.
Link1110
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Good movie, kinda wish the gold women just dropped out of our when the true villain took over the plot. They were a decent enough starter villain, but you don't see KaMoshida showing up during the final battle of Persona 5
And I had to giggle at the poster above seeing it on a trip to HK, since unlike last time, I didn't have to wait 5 months and then see it on a trip to HK cause it came out same day here in China.
And I had to giggle at the poster above seeing it on a trip to HK, since unlike last time, I didn't have to wait 5 months and then see it on a trip to HK cause it came out same day here in China.
Saw this and really enjoyed it, but there were a tad too many dull elements at play in there (eg. Everything about Taserface, the original series Star Trekiness of Ego's entire plot), but the character stuff was nicely done(Except the somewhat forced feeling Rocket shit). Batista in particular was pretty funny throughout.
Thought the Sovereigns were kind of shitty until the final payoff to that whole plot at the end. Really great swerve on where that had been going.
Good times, but perhaps not quite as good as the first movie.
Thought the Sovereigns were kind of shitty until the final payoff to that whole plot at the end. Really great swerve on where that had been going.
Good times, but perhaps not quite as good as the first movie.
I could have sworn the pictures later changed to show him in alien form actually, after his reveal.
I think he was human all the time. But I am not sure now.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
It's been a week since I've seen this film and this line has been in my head constantly.
Yep. His 80s jacket and everything
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah the Mary Poppins line was ace as fuck.
Also it's so weird we now have Stallone in Marvel.
Also it's so weird we now have Stallone in Marvel.
Same here. Will watch at home in 3D for the next go around.
Typically a silent person at the theater, even for comedies, but this one had me laughing out loud.
I disagree on the 80's thing. it is what Peter has from his childhood left, so it plays a big part in him. Plus my teen years were in the 80's, so I am a bit biased.
I also love the humour as it is a refreshing break for the string of films. Not saying the other marvel movies are dead nuts serious, but it is great to have one come out to break it up and makes fun of itself.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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The marry poppins scene reminded me too much of the simpsons episode where Todd asks Bart what gay means and Bart tells him it means to not be scared anymore and then Todd shouts to Ned "I'm gay, mrs Simpson made me gay".
arbitrary criticism I know.
arbitrary criticism I know.
How dare you. That's blasphemy.
Steve only crime is lying to his best friend to protect another best friend. If he's a villain, he's like the girl scout of villains.
WE HAVE MILEY CYRUS IN THE MCU NOW, that shit is more unbelievable.
Dude is an asshole in Civil War.
UnknownSpirit
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I saw it last night. First off, if you can see in in a Dolby Cinema, do it, the movie is beautiful looking.
Second it took me longer than expected to get into it. I just felt like a ton of stuff was going on in the first act, however the movie sores in the third so it saves it.
I think the death of Rookers character is very good, and works well in the context of the story.
One of the funniest sequences I have seen, in any movie recently is the sequence of Baby Groot attempting to get the Fin back to Yondu.
I was losing it In the theater.
Also, totally didn't see the twist coming of Ego giving cancer to Quills mom.
Still think the first one works better in more sequences, but I did like it.
Second it took me longer than expected to get into it. I just felt like a ton of stuff was going on in the first act, however the movie sores in the third so it saves it.
I think the death of Rookers character is very good, and works well in the context of the story.
One of the funniest sequences I have seen, in any movie recently is the sequence of Baby Groot attempting to get the Fin back to Yondu.
I was losing it In the theater.
Also, totally didn't see the twist coming of Ego giving cancer to Quills mom.
Still think the first one works better in more sequences, but I did like it.
He's still not the biggest asshole in the movie. Hi Tony.
I can't be the only one who feels that no one is an asshole in Civil War. Just flawed people reacting emotionally to the very thing that matters the most to them, love and friendship.
When things didn't go as imagined, they let their emotion get the best of them, especially Tony and Steve. But it's hard to blame them when one feels that he lost everything that matters to him, including his friends, while the other feels that his long-lost tie to the old world, his old friend, is in danger.
I understand Tony well, actually. It really *hurts* seeing someone you considered a friend picking another person over you. It doesn't matter that you think they are not good enough friends. To Tony they were and he was hurt that Steve would pick Bucky's side over him. Especially since it involves murder.
I saw it last night. Gamora and Nebula were improved from the first. Rocket was just as good. Everything else fell flat. I didn't like the relationship between Mantis and Drax. It felt abusive. The "practical joke" scene was cruel and miscalculated. It did not endear the characters to me. It takes advantage of her innocence and naïveté in a way that made me deeply uncomfortable.
Spot on post. Exactly how I feel about this film.
I can't wait to watch it a few more times before it leaves theaters.
I can't be sure if you saw him, but the dude is definitely in the credit roll, dancing.
