Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!

I can't be the only one who feels that no one is an asshole in Civil War. Just flawed people reacting emotionally to the very thing that matters the most to them, love and friendship.

When things didn't go as imagined, they let their emotion get the best of them, especially Tony and Steve. But it's hard to blame them when one feels that he lost everything that matters to him, including his friends, while the other feels that his long-lost tie to the old world, his old friend, is in danger.

I understand Tony well, actually. It really *hurts* seeing someone you considered a friend picking another person over you. It doesn't matter that you think they are not good enough friends. To Tony they were and he was hurt that Steve would pick Bucky's side over him. Especially since it involves murder.

Ross was the exception. I wish they'd had time to develop him a little more, it was super clear he was manipulating events so he could control the Avengers (he just happened to have superhero Guantanamo built in case Lagos happened?).

Also, he's totally wearing a tie with Red Hulk colours when he first shows up and nobody's noticed that and it's stressing me out.

Seeing Guardians 2 for the second time tonight in 3D. Really looking forward to it.
 
I saw it last night. Gamora and Nebula were improved from the first. Rocket was just as good. Everything else fell flat. I didn't like the relationship between Mantis and Drax. It felt abusive. The "practical joke" scene was cruel and miscalculated. It did not endear the characters to me. It takes advantage of her innocence and naïveté in a way that made me deeply uncomfortable.
The relationship between Drax and Mantis was one of the most underrated thing about this movie. Mantis is basically Drax before he met the rest of the Guardians. No sense of humour or sarcasm whatsoever, take everything at face value, lacking in basic social skills but minus all the threatening muscles.

Drax pulling a prank on Mantis mirrors what Rocket would have done to Drax, something Drax probably did pick up from Rocket. Which is why their friendship work so well that Mantis is learning social skills from someone who used to be as stunted as she is. Someone who knew exactly what it's like. It's hilarious considering Drax is still pretty bad at it most of the time.

But that scene where the two of them bonded over their tragic past was the 2nd most emotional scene in the entire movie. That's when I legit started crying.

Drax in his own weird way is actually pretty damn wise. Whether or not he actually think Mantis is ugly, it's true what he said. "If you're ugly, you know that you are truly loved." I think at the end he even started to see her in a different light, even though he wouldn't admit to it.
 
The relationship between Drax and Mantis was one of the most underrated thing about this movie. Mantis is basically Drax before he met the rest of the Guardians. No sense of humour or sarcasm whatsoever, take everything at face value, lacking in basic social skills but minus all the threatening muscles.

Drax pulling a prank on Mantis mirrors what Rocket would have done to Drax, something Drax probably did pick up from Rocket. Which is why their friendship work so well that Mantis is learning social skills from someone who used to be as stunted as she is. Someone who knew exactly what it's like. It's hilarious considering Drax is still pretty bad at it most of the time.

But that scene where the two of them bonded over their tragic past was the 2nd most emotional scene in the entire movie. That's when I legit started crying.

Drax in his own weird way is actually pretty damn wise. Whether or not he actually think Mantis is ugly, it's true what he said. "If you're ugly, you know that you are truly loved." I think at the end he even started to see her in a different light, even though he wouldn't admit to it.
The parallel doesn't work for me, because even at the height of his naïveté, Drax is a grown adult, while Mantis is still a child. Their relationship felt creepy and exploitative all the way through.
 
I can't be the only one who feels that no one is an asshole in Civil War. Just flawed people reacting emotionally to the very thing that matters the most to them, love and friendship.

When things didn't go as imagined, they let their emotion get the best of them, especially Tony and Steve. But it's hard to blame them when one feels that he lost everything that matters to him, including his friends, while the other feels that his long-lost tie to the old world, his old friend, is in danger.

I understand Tony well, actually. It really *hurts* seeing someone you considered a friend picking another person over you. It doesn't matter that you think they are not good enough friends. To Tony they were and he was hurt that Steve would pick Bucky's side over him. Especially since it involves murder.

I mean, the very first thing the sellout Avengers are told to do is assassinate a person without trial and to ignore any evidence that he might not be guilty.

They didn't exactly endear Team Tony's position at all in the film.
 
The parallel doesn't work for me, because even at the height of his naïveté, Drax is a grown adult, while Mantis is still a child. Their relationship felt creepy and exploitative all the way through.

You could argue that Drax was unnecessarily mean to her, even for someone like him that's always blunt af towards everyone.

But exploitative? Creepy? Really?
 
The parallel doesn't work for me, because even at the height of his naïveté, Drax is a grown adult, while Mantis is still a child. Their relationship felt creepy and exploitative all the way through.
You can make a case that Mantis is a child emotionally but even that is a stretch. She was raised by Ego for most of her life. Without any true purpose and possibly limited interaction with anyone besides Ego.

Naive, yes. Inexperienced, yes.

An actual child? No.

Drax in his own blunt way was encouraging Mantis to believe in herself. In a way, Drax is a tsundere.
 
You can make a case that Mantis is a child emotionally but even that is a stretch. She was raised by Ego for most of her life. Without any true purpose and possibly limited interaction with anyone besides Ego.

Naive, yes. Inexperienced, yes.

An actual child? No.
She is not physically a child, but she's kept as a slave and prevented from interacting with people socially. She is a sexualized child-like character whose sexuality is explicitly referenced and who is repeatedly physically harmed and taken advantage of for cheap jokes.

It felt exploitative that on befriending a naive child-slave character, our heroes exploit her for laughs and then convince her, in her innocence, that the jokes are for her benefit.
 
I actually liked the dynamic between Drax and Mantis. Yeah, he's being a dick. But that's his character now towards everyone. I never got the impression that he does or says anything maliciously, he's just a blunt brute. Like calling Mantis is ugly, but explaining that it doesn't matter because then you know people really do care for you. It's a backhanded compliment to be sure. But the intent isn't to actually make her feel bad. And I don't think he's emotionally developed enough to lie to make someone feel better. That was sorta his whole deal in the last movie, being overly literal.
 
Dave Bautista is either a better actor than I've ever given him credit for or this character is just so perfect for him that it overcomes his flaws.
 
All the Guardians characters with the exception of Gomorrah (sp?) pick on each other on a regular basis, so it's not exploitative that one of them has a bit of fun at Mantis' expense.

Drax himself has little understanding of the boundaries of good taste or humor, which is why he is perfect for this setup.

What is really going on is that he's too embarrassed to admit that Mantis is the first female since his wife that he's been interested in, so he's overcompensating for that.
 
She is not physically a child, but she's kept as a slave and prevented from interacting with people socially. She is a sexualized child-like character whose sexuality is explicitly referenced and who is repeatedly physically harmed and taken advantage of for cheap jokes.

It felt exploitative that on befriending a naive child-slave character, our heroes exploit her for laughs and then convince her, in her innocence, that the jokes are for her benefit.
Sexualized? Where in the movie did it even mentioned or implied that she was a sexualized character? She's probably the least sexualized female out of the entire GoTG movies (outside of Nebula).

Dave Bautista is either a better actor than I've ever given him credit for or this character is just so perfect for him that it overcomes his flaws.
He's actually a pretty charismatic dude, I remember him from his WWE day and there were time where he almost, almost rival the Rock in term of "who can be a better hulking wrestler but charismatic as hell"

But of course no one can beat the Rock in that.

I chalk this up to Drax being a perfect fit for Dave Bautista.
 
There is literally nothing about Mantis is sexualized in any way shape or form in the film.

I mean none of the female characters are really. Chris Pratt is more sexualized than any of the main female cast
 
Dave Bautista is either a better actor than I've ever given him credit for or this character is just so perfect for him that it overcomes his flaws.

He was charismatic as Hell after 2005 in wrestling, in 2010 he was an amazing heel. Like full on hilarious. Drax is his best role, but he was really good in Spectre - and should've been the main villain. Waltz was pretty bloody awful in comparison.
 
Dave Bautista is either a better actor than I've ever given him credit for or this character is just so perfect for him that it overcomes his flaws.

Big Dave found himself during his final major run in the WWE, right before leaving for movies full time, playing a complete douchebro character. It was a pretty miraculous turn for a guy who, up to that point, was not a great showman. What he's doing as Drax (and him being the standout merc in RIDDICK) is not a surprise.
 
I really really liked it, more than the first. Was pretty damn emotional and Jack Russell was a beast. Also didn't really set up any future Marvel Cinematic Universe© movies which was great to see
 
I mean, the very first thing the sellout Avengers are told to do is assassinate a person without trial and to ignore any evidence that he might not be guilty.

They didn't exactly endear Team Tony's position at all in the film.
I still have to contest that since the only source of this is Black Widow, they had facilities prepared specifically to house Bucky, the Police used smoke grenades and you know how they captured everyone alive.

Zemo's entire plan hinges on Bucky getting captured completely with murdering the guy supposed to do the psyche evaluation beforehand.
 
First movie was much better imo. And I'm disappointed Thanos is still not wrecking shit in the Galaxy. I know he'll be the big bad guy of Avengers 3, but still.
 
First movie was much better imo. And I'm disappointed Thanos is still not wrecking shit in the Galaxy. I know he'll be the big bad guy of Avengers 3, but still.
Did you really expect Thanos to start wrecking shit right now? Especially when they been saving him for years now for Infinity War?

I know wishful thinking and all but.. come on.
 
First movie was much better imo. And I'm disappointed Thanos is still not wrecking shit in the Galaxy. I know he'll be the big bad guy of Avengers 3, but still.

I'm not. I like that this movie does not waste one moment of screen time talking about The Avengers.

I'll see The Avengers when it comes out.
 
Did you really expect Thanos to start wrecking shit right now? Especially when they been saving him for years now for Infinity War?

I know wishful thinking and all but.. come on.
Yes, I expected at least a mention that Thanos is making a move at gathering the gems or something.
I'm not. I like that this movie does not waste one moment of screen time talking about The Avengers.

I'll see The Avengers when it comes out.
The Guardians at this stage shouldn't know about the Avengers. I'm talking specifically about Thanos.
 
Yes, I expected at least a mention that Thanos is making a move at gathering the gems or something.

The Guardians at this stage shouldn't know about the Avengers. I'm talking specifically about Thanos.

Well, the last thing you see Thanos do was say he was going to do it himself, referring to his plans to get to Earth.

So that trajectory should be the next time we see him.
 
Logan was great, but it didn't resonate with me like the end of GOTG2. For me, the saddest part of Logan was that poor family.
you're certainly entitled to your opinion but i'm genuinely surprised you found GotG2 more emotionally resonating than Logan
if nothing else the tone of Logan is objectively more consistent than GotG2's
 
Well, the last thing you see Thanos do was say he was going to do it himself, referring to his plans to get to Earth.

So that trajectory should be the next time we see him.
But not all the gems are on earth right? Anyway, regardless of the Thanos stuff, it's still a worse movie than the first.
 
you're certainly entitled to your opinion but i'm genuinely surprised you found GotG2 more emotionally resonating than Logan
if nothing else the tone of Logan is objectively more consistent than GotG2's

I agree with him if we're sticking to the final moments of the film. That was where Logan just sort of fell off for me, moment where
she's calling him Daddy and what not didn't really feel earned to me, everything was happening so quickly too.

Overall, Logan would win I suppose.
 
I agree with him if we're sticking to the final moments of the film. That was where Logan just sort of fell off for me, moment where
she's calling him Daddy and what not didn't really feel earned to me, everything was happening so quickly too.

Overall, Logan would win I suppose.
you feel that logan/x23's relationship was less earned than Yondu's Spock death? idk, i don't agree at all
 
There is literally nothing about Mantis is sexualized in any way shape or form in the film.

I mean none of the female characters are really. Chris Pratt is more sexualized than any of the main female cast
There is a scene where Drax believes she is making a move on him. She is halfway straddling him in bed. He's mistaken, but the joke relies on the audience's recognition of the contrast between their physical position and the context of the scene.
 
There is a scene where Drax believes she is making a move on him. She is halfway straddling him in bed. He's mistaken, but the joke relies on the audience's recognition of the contrast between their physical position and the context of the scene.

She wasn't half way straddling him. She leaned over him and shake him until he woke up. You're reading one scene that was done for comedic effect and stretching it into a pretty thin argument.
 
There is a scene where Drax believes she is making a move on him. She is halfway straddling him in bed. He's mistaken, but the joke relies on the audience's recognition of the contrast between their physical position and the context of the scene.

....which still isn't sexualized. She's fully clothed and nothing sexual happens between them.

Your whole view point on Mantis character doesn't make much sense honestly
 
She wasn't half way straddling him. She leaned over him and shake him until he woke up. You're reading one scene that was done for comedic effect and stretching it into a pretty thin argument.
It shouldn't matter that it was done for comedic effect. I didn't think it was effective. The relationship didn't work for me and I came away from her liberation thinking she was not in a much better position.
 
you feel that logan/x23's relationship was less earned than Yondu's Spock death? idk, i don't agree at all

It is what it is, their budding relationship was great, just that particular moment didn't land at all for me.

It shouldn't matter that it was done for comedic effect. I didn't think it was effective. The relationship didn't work for me and I came away from her liberation thinking she was not in a much better position.

Not being a slave/pet anymore is pretty damn good. You make it seem like the team is gonna torment her in the third film or something lol
 
It shouldn't matter that it was done for comedic effect. I didn't think it was effective. The relationship didn't work for me and I came away from her liberation thinking she was not in a much better position.
Umm... She's now with the Guardians, people actually seem to motivate her to be better and support her. She saw that they were an actual family and that's why she betray Ego who only used her as a tool, a servant.

Honestly, you're entitled to your take on things. Even if they make no sense whatsoever.
 
I always have a big problem with recontextualizing relationships in which one character is trying to kill another one, and later they're just totally cool.

Like...that never happens in real life. Even if you made amends with someone who was trying to kill you, you would never be their friend.
 
I always have a big problem with recontextualizing relationships in which one character is trying to kill another one, and later they're just totally cool.

Like...that never happens in real life. Even if you made amends with someone who was trying to kill you, you would never be their friend.
Tell that to the Fast & Furious crew who've adopted Han's killer lmao

To you it is. Blanket statements and all that...
Well, duh? Should I write "imo" after every post? Of course I'm speaking for myself.
 
I'm not referring specifically to the gauntlet. And why mention Thanos in this film? Well, maybe because his plan failed in the previous movie?

Because he is the father of Gamora and Nebula and 99% of the times he was mentioned, was in the context of Gamora and Nebulas relationship to each other.
 
Umm... She's now with the Guardians, people actually seem to motivate her to be better and support her. She saw that they were an actual family and that's why she betray Ego who only used her as a tool, a servant.

Honestly, you're entitled to your take on things. Even if they make no sense whatsoever.
Putting someone in harm's way, and telling them they are disgusting and ugly are abusive behaviors. These are played for laughs on a character who does not know any better. These are outlaws and there is no reason they should behave properly or understand the nuances of human relationships, but these particular interactions are meant to endear the characters to us. They did not endear anything to me. They represent to me a miscalculation of the script and filmmakers, a blind spot, or a cruel streak in the humor, exploiting what is essentially a child slave for laughs that take advantage of their inexperience. I am engaged with charities like the International Justice Mission and the Polaris Project, so maybe these types of behaviors strike me in a different way than you guys. To me they represent abuse. They are clear transgressions against an innocent party, and they are played for laughs as if that kind of abuse is okay.
 
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