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[Slaythe]

If I'm entirely honest......

FnF was so bad

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I'm kinda glad they give him something else because at least they can redeem it.

It's kind of like Indiana Jones, IV was the worst thing I've ever seen but I'm still hoping V turns out fine....

My only issue is that people wanted the

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hell

thing precisely to avoid the weak shit in the team like roshi and tien, yet here we are.....

 

[RocknRola]

If I'm entirely honest......

FnF was so bad

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I'm kinda glad they give him something else because at least they can redeem it.

It's kind of like Indiana Jones, IV was the worst thing I've ever seen but I'm still hoping V turns out fine....

My only issue is that people wanted the

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hell

thing precisely to avoid the weak shit in the team like roshi and tien, yet here we are.....

Roshi is the team's comedy factor!!

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By wich I mean he'll grope one or both of the female saiyans and get insta-rekt.

 

[TeamLeftMatch]

I come into this thread to see what's going on but

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really Freeza. He's my favourite DBZ villain but he's now getting 2 arcs with him in it. Buu much like your saga, has the potential to be good but in the end disappoints

 

[FStubbs]

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Freeza is going to mention right after the tournament ends that Beerus encouraged him to destroy the Saiyans and cause Vegeta to freak out.

Would Vegeta believe him? It's Freeza. He lies. And not like

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he needs encouragement to kill people.

 

[HeroR]

In regards to

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frieza, aren't they gonna have an issue when he tries golden form and run out his time limit quicker? Goku in Z fought majin vegeta and used ss3 against buu and ran out of time early. Guessing Golden will use up far more energy so will he last long at all?

He will probably save his golden form. Remember, true form Frieza is very strong. Granted, most of the original U6 characters could beat him since they were about even with base form Goku who had far more training while he got crap on, but he is still a threat.

Honestly, I think Frieza's biggest issues are not killing anyone and being overly sadistic.

If I'm entirely honest......

FnF was so bad

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I'm kinda glad they give him something else because at least they can redeem it.

It's kind of like Indiana Jones, IV was the worst thing I've ever seen but I'm still hoping V turns out fine....

My only issue is that people wanted the

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hell

thing precisely to avoid the weak shit in the team like roshi and tien, yet here we are.....

Everyone craps on Crystal Skulls, but I love that movie. But I also found Raiders of the Lost Ark boring, so what do I know. And it's funny how Resurrection 'F' seems so hated by the internet Dragon Ball community, but the people I met loved the movie. But they also called Battle of Gods boring, so there's that. Personally, I find it interesting since it shows the different aspects that Dragon Ball fans liked. You like world building and interesting characters, Battle of Gods. You want to cut the fluff and see people kicking ass, Resurrection 'F'. I liked both films for their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[RocknRola]

Huh.....will we get a future Cabba vs "Platinum" Frost arc/mini-arc? Can easily see Frost trying to achieve a similar to Gold form once he actually sees it.

 

[NeonZ]

In regards to

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frieza, aren't they gonna have an issue when he tries golden form and run out his time limit quicker? Goku in Z fought majin vegeta and used ss3 against buu and ran out of time early. Guessing Golden will use up far more energy so will he last long at all?

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He'll be dead, so presumably it won't take that much energy, like SSJ3. It should eat his time in the living world, but the tournament only will last 48 minutes anyway.

 

[BasilZero]

The one saving grace with this shit decision.

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I think Buu's the best character to remove from the 10. He's had no marketing besides being lined up with the 10 fighters,
even the outro has him falling asleep. There'll be fallback for this, but I think any of the other 9 would have have more.

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Really? You would think people wouldnt care if its Tien or Roshi getting replaced....

 

[Slaythe]

Wonder if he'll have a blue form this time.

hehe

 

[Aiii]

I'm fine with these rumors,

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honestly, I need more Golden Freeza, he never got his due.
Bet they sell a lot of Golden Freeza toys, too.

 

[stryke]

What the fuck.

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We just had a whole goddamn arc dedicated to him and now he's brought back at the expense of Buu.

 

[HeroR]

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He'll be dead, so presumably it won't take that much energy, like SSJ3. It should eat his time in the living world, but the tournament only will last 48 minutes anyway.

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Isn't that worse? Super Saiyan 3 took a days worth of energy in a few minutes. Golden Frieza will probably take his entire day in seconds. It will be shorter than Vegito Blue.

 

[TeamLeftMatch]

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I think it's weird that goku would suggest getting Freeza. If Beerus did it then that would make more sense. Man thinking about what did Buu do in the entirety of DBS. Nothing, he even had 2 potential tournaments but is now as useful as Goten.

 

[Slaythe]

Everyone craps on Crystal Skulls, but I love that movie. But I also found Raiders of the Lost Ark boring, so what do I know.

My opinion of you has lowered so much, I can't even quantify it.

 

[HeroR]

My opinion of you has lowered so much, I can't even quantify it.

I can see why since it isn't a popular opinion.

Raiders is just boring to me and I prefer every Indiana Jones movie to it. It took me years to watched the movie all the way through, the same with Empire Strikes back, which I only found the last half great.

 

[RocknRola]

There are only 3 Indiana Jones films. That is the law!

 

[HeroR]

There are only 3 Indiana Jones films. That is the law!

I agree. Because Raiders of the Lost Ark doesn't exists

 

[Slaythe]

 

[ezodagrom]

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What makes the bait and switch even worse is that they showed slim Buu and him being excited for the tournament...
If Buu had gone to sleep right after the exhibition match, the switch would have been a bit easier to swallow, since Buu had his moment in the exhibition match...

 

[Starphoenix]

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Would kind of be interesting if each team had a villain on it that hated Goku or Saiyans. Wonder if they'd all team up just to eliminate Goku.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

He will probably get thrown out for killing someone.

 

[sakyot]

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I'm honestly not ready for freeza comeback, but...but...guys..ep 91 spoilers....
This is what matters...
"In the training match, Gohan display Enough power to hold his own against Goku"
GG

 

[Aiii]

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I'm honestly not ready for freeza comeback, but...but...guys..ep 91 spoilers....
This is what matters...
"In the training match, Gohan display Enough power to hold his own against Goku"
GG

Ultimate Gohan is back, but I hope they keep his special hidden power that Piccolo unlocked for the tournament.

 

[Baleoce]

As for Friezas motives and why he'd agree to help. As we know, he has followers / fanatics that want to resurrect him. He knows there's always a chance he'll be brought back again. And in general, he wants to rule his universe, not destroy it entirely. Therefore it makes sense that he'd want to preserve the prospect of having something to actually rule over.

 

[Slaythe]

I wanted Gohan up there, but... I have a lot of issues with how they're handling this...

It was already terrible with 17's lack of exposition, but this is taking the cake.

For 17 there was no explanation given, so while that's terrible writing, you can always try to rationalize it yourself in your head, there's mystery to his biology too that helps support it. But for Gohan, the explanation is "he powered up to get his mystic form back then trained with Piccolo for 3 hours and surpassed Goku". There are so many wrong things with this, that I can't rationalize it at all.

It's starting to hurt my enjoyment...

Oh well hopefully the action will be good.

 

[ArtHands]

As for Friezas motives and why he'd agree to help. As we know, he has followers / fanatics that want to resurrect him. He knows there's always a chance he'll be brought back again. And in general, he wants to rule his universe, not destroy it entirely. Therefore it makes sense that he'd want to preserve the prospect of having something to actually rule over.

I think killing Goku and his friends has preceded ruling the universe when you think back to that RoF movie.

 

[Skii]

Just woke up to 10 new pages on the thread... Could only mean one thing... FUCK

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They fucked it up. There is no conceivable way Goku would ever want to recruit Frieza. This is pure character assassination. He literally killed his best friend, his two main rivals who he befriended and tortured his own son to the brink of death. That's not even considering the fact that he enslaved and killed his entire race including his mum and dad. Why do they go out of their way to fuck up Goku's character?

And don't get me started on Buu missing the tournament now. He was in my top 3 characters to watch out for this tournament and now they've come up with the same shit excuse twice. It's just not believable Whis and Beerus dont have it in their powers to wake Buu.

And I'm sure this whole thing won't do Frieza's character justice like ROF tarnishing his legacy even further.

I wouldn't even be too sad about this if it was Beerus who did this behind everyone's back or something and the whole gang was vehemently against it but having to throw Goku and Buu under the bus to make it happen is pretty bad.

Here's hoping

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Frieza

says no

 

[Slaythe]

I think killing Goku and his friends has preceded ruling the universe when you think back to that RoF movie.

That got him nowhere so maybe he'll reconsider.

Also, quick, post episode 5 screenshots, don't forget.

Just woke up to 10 new pages on the thread... Could only mean one thing... FUCK

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They fucked it up. There is no conceivable way Goku would ever want to recruit Frieza. This is pure character assassination. He literally killed his best friend, his two main rivals who he befriended and tortured his own son to the brink of death. That's not even considering the fact that he enslaved and killed his entire race including his mum and dad. Why do they go out of their way to fuck up Goku's character?

And don't get me started on Buu missing the tournament now. He was in my top 3 characters to watch out for this tournament and now they've come up with the same shit excuse twice. It's just not believable Whis and Beerus dont have it in their powers to wake Buu.

And I'm sure this whole thing won't do Frieza's character justice like ROF tarnishing his legacy even further.

I wouldn't even be too sad about this if it was Beerus who did this behind everyone's back or something and the whole gang was vehemently against it but having to throw Goku and Buu under the bus to make it happen is pretty bad.

Here's hoping

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Frieza

says no

For the record, Goku said he'd make a great rival. So the "character assassination" started a while ago .

 

[Baleoce]

I think killing Goku and his friends has preceded ruling the universe when you think back to that RoF movie.

That part is true. Revenge did overtake his motives in RoF (and the Trunks Saga for that matter), and that's why is followers were confused as to why he wasn't just rebuilding his empire. I guess it depends on whether he still holds that mindset or not.

 

[RocknRola]

I agree. Because Raiders of the Lost Ark doesn't exists

Nooooooooo!!!!!

I wanted Gohan up there, but... I have a lot of issues with how they're handling this...

It was already terrible with 17's lack of exposition, but this is taking the cake.

For 17 there was no explanation given, so while that's terrible writing, you can always try to rationalize it yourself in your head, there's mystery to his biology too that helps support it. But for Gohan, the explanation is "he powered up to get his mystic form back then trained with Piccolo for 3 hours and surpassed Goku". There are so many wrong things with this, that I can't rationalize it at all.

It's starting to hurt my enjoyment...

Oh well hopefully the action will be good.

Yeah, but what if Goku + Vegeta only just reached Gohan's peak in Z? :v WHAT ABOUT THAT, HUH?!

 

[ArtHands]

That got him nowhere so maybe he'll reconsider.

Also, quick, post episode 5 screenshots, don't forget.



For the record, Goku said he'd make a great rival. So the "character assassination" started a while ago .

Frieza got the bargaining power, if i were him I'll demand to get revived, have control of the universe, and Goku and friends die as well. Frieza has got nothing to lose, he's dead anyway so he couldnt care less that the universe gets destroyed.

I am waiting for the opportunity to post 'em (when that episode aired and everyone starts to whine)

 

[Kalentan]

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I'm honestly not ready for freeza comeback, but...but...guys..ep 91 spoilers....
This is what matters...
"In the training match, Gohan display Enough power to hold his own against Goku"
GG

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So does this mean Ultimate = SSB?

 

[Starphoenix]

Won't lie, it is becoming increasingly easier to dislike Goku and understandable why he is being painted as the villain in the tournament.

#ZamasuWasRight

 

[TeamLeftMatch]

Guys I got it

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What if the freeza episode was a cover-up and Freeza gets defeated by Yamcha so he replaces buu

 

[Slaythe]

Frieza got the bargaining power, if i were him I'll demand to get revived, have control of the universe, and Goku and friends die as well. Frieza has got nothing to lose, he's dead anyway so he couldnt care less that the universe gets destroyed.

I am waiting for the opportunity to post 'em (when that episode aired and everyone starts to whine)

On a serious note, it's rather simple :

1) if the universe is erased, so are hell and heaven

2) he can simply ask to be removed from earth's hell, that he especially despises

3) it gives him an opportunity to maybe find a way to get revived while he's there (ask some villain from another universe or whatever), still better than being stuck in hell

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So does this mean Ultimate = SSB?

Ultimate > SSB.

And now you know why Goku's new form is basically Discount Ultimate in the OP.

 

[HeroR]

On a serious note, it's rather simple :

1) if the universe is erased, so are hell and heaven

2) he can simply ask to be removed from earth's hell, that he especially despises

3) it gives him an opportunity to maybe find a way to get revived while he's there (ask some villain from another universe or whatever), still better than being stuck in hell



Ultimate > SSB.
And now you know why Goku's new form is basically Discount Ultimate in the OP.

The summery said he held his own, not surpassed him, so it's too soon for such statements.

And we don't even know if Goku is getting a new form, especially a discounted Ultimate form.

 

[Skii]

For the record, Goku said he'd make a great rival. So the "character assassination" started a while ago .

I think he said that to unsettle

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Frieza because he hates Goku that much. The whole point was Goku knew he was too evil to be any sort of rival to him

Ultimate > SSB.

And now you know why Goku's new form is basically Discount Ultimate in the OP.

I really dont think that's the case at all. We don't know if Goku even goes SSB right? Plus I still think Goku's new form isn't gonna be using his base hair.

 

[Slaythe]

I guess we'll see . I'd like to be wrong.

I don't count the kaioken x 5 10 20 545 etc... of course.

 

[celsowmbr]

Now we need a fix in this picture:

 

[HeroR]

I guess we'll see . I'd like to be wrong.

I don't count the kaioken x 5 10 20 545 etc... of course.

Goku could have an 'Ultimate form' in the sense of him being able to used god ki in his base. Which I wouldn't necessarily mind since it would finally kill that two-base theory. And Frieza coming back will also help proved that the power scale wasn't magical retcon after Resurrection 'F'.

 

[RocknRola]

Now we need a fix in this picture:

Yes, and we MUST use this picture!

 

[BBQMan]

I wanted Gohan up there, but... I have a lot of issues with how they're handling this...

It was already terrible with 17's lack of exposition, but this is taking the cake.

For 17 there was no explanation given, so while that's terrible writing, you can always try to rationalize it yourself in your head, there's mystery to his biology too that helps support it. But for Gohan, the explanation is "he powered up to get his mystic form back then trained with Piccolo for 3 hours and surpassed Goku". There are so many wrong things with this, that I can't rationalize it at all.

It's starting to hurt my enjoyment...

Oh well hopefully the action will be good.

Look, Gohan has a history of just rocking up with a power up from a small amount of training.
The facts are:
-He had been training since the FnF Arc
-He had gained some mad zenkai boosts from the FnF Arc
-He had gained a zenkai boost from the Exhibition.
-He had a mental block on his Ultimate transformation. Which means his body was ready( from the training) but his mind wasn't.
-His Ultimate form was stupidly stronger than SS3 Goku in the Buu saga.

So now all he can do is go up really.

Side note: He was stronger in the Cell Saga than most of the fighters in the Buu Saga.

His main issue is hes always been a power player, someone to stomp someones head in and end it(wasnt any good at it though). This is a tournament he can just stomp face and win.

 

[Aiii]

Now we need a fix in this picture:

That's right, Gohan is missing his bang.

 

[HeroR]

Look, Gohan has a history of just rocking up with a power up from a small amount of training.
The facts are:
-He had been training since the FnF Arc
-He had gained some mad zenkai boosts from the FnF Arc
-He had gained a zenkai boost from the Exhibition.
-He had a mental block on his Ultimate transformation. Which means his body was ready( from the training) but his mind wasn't.
-His Ultimate form was stupidly stronger than SS3 Goku in the Buu saga.

So now all he can do is go up really.

Side note: He was stronger in the Cell Saga than most of the fighters in the Buu Saga.

His main issue is hes always been a power player, someone to stomp someones head in and end it(wasnt any good at it though). This is a tournament he can just stomp face and win.

Saiyans don't get 'zenkai' boosts anymore. At least ones that matter worth a crap otherwise Future Gohan should have trashed the androids.

He has been training on and off since Resurrection 'F'. He didn't do it everyday.

And Ultimate being overpowered in the Buu Saga doesn't magical means it's overpowered now, especially after Goku did such a stupidly high jump after absorbing godhood.

 

[Slaythe]

Look, Gohan has a history of just rocking up with a power up from a small amount of training.

Never to this extent though.

The facts are:
-He had been training since the FnF Arc

Precisely, and he was still shit (or "disappointing" to quote the show). And now magically he's able to go beyond god in 3 hours.

-He had gained some mad zenkai boosts from the FnF Arc
-He had gained a zenkai boost from the Exhibition.

Bullshit.

I won't accept those points, nothing in the show states he got any zenkai boost.

-He had a mental block on his Ultimate transformation. Which means his body was ready( from the training) but his mind wasn't.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, but anyway, he literally powered up to reach Ultimate, that's not the best display of psychological solution.

Anyway, I don't mind him getting ultimate form back. So I'm not too bothered by it, it was just underwhelming.

-His Ultimate form was stupidly stronger than SS3 Goku in the Buu saga.

Which is about 8 million times weaker than Super Saiyan God.

So now all he can do is go up really.

But this is fine. As I said, I have nothing against Gohan being stronger/the strongest.

It's just shit how they're handling it.

3 hours of training with Piccolo in the mountains while he's been doing that for an entire year and it got him nowhere, suddenly becomes enough for him to surpass Goku ? My fucking ass.

 

[Aiii]

Gohan already had this power, the "training" was just guiding him to tap back into it.

 

[Slaythe]

Gohan already had this power, the "training" was just guiding him to tap back into it.

Ultimate gohan was NEVER on super saiyan god's level.

I never said I had a problem with Gohan getting ultimate back, I just said it was underwhelming how they just had him power up to get the form back.

 

[Aiii]

Ultimate gohan was NEVER on super saiyan god's level.

How do you know this? The only knowledge we have is that Gohan was stronger than Buu, who was stronger than SSJ3 at that point.

Since power levels aren't a thing anymore, who's to say Ultimate wasn't on par or close with God?

Now Gohan has been training for a while with Piccolo, so he's probably stronger than he was during the Buu saga since he was slacking off then, so his powered up Ultimate state is already stronger than it was back then.

 

[ArtHands]

On a serious note, it's rather simple :

1) if the universe is erased, so are hell and heaven

2) he can simply ask to be removed from earth's hell, that he especially despises

3) it gives him an opportunity to maybe find a way to get revived while he's there (ask some villain from another universe or whatever), still better than being stuck in hell



Ultimate > SSB.

And now you know why Goku's new form is basically Discount Ultimate in the OP.

Well hell getting destroyed could be good for him in the way that he won't stay in hell anymore. Beerus could threaten to erase his soul but Frieza being the cunning one will know they need him too much

The only way I can think they can convince him is promise to revive him and after they win the tournament, bring him to another timeline where Frieza empire has taken over the universe.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

How do you know this? The only knowledge we have is that Gohan was stronger than Buu, who was stronger than SSJ3 at that point.

Since power levels aren't a thing anymore, who's to say Ultimate wasn't on par or close with God?

Now Gohan has been training for a while with Piccolo, so he's probably stronger than he was during the Buu saga since he was slacking off then, so his powered up Ultimate state is already stronger than it was back then.

Gohan is so strong that not even Zeno could erase him.



Anyone got the feeling that the Angels will be the ultimate villains of Super?