Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.

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Undead Fantasy said:
I think this beat it.

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All of the asspulls and this coming out of nowhere soured this moment for me to the point I couldn't enjoy it. Aesthetically its pleasing though.
 
HardRojo said:
[*]Super Saiyan Rage: Explain it as the first stage of obtaining God ki, a combination of
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I don't think the God Ki thing makes sense. My only real problem with his transformation was the lack of acknowledgement. I think the best explanation for it would be classifying it as a "natural SSJ3" as opposed to the form that Goku got from pushing himself in the afterlife.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
I don't think the God Ki thing makes sense. My only real problem with his transformation was the lack of acknowledgement. I think the best explanation for it would be classifying it as a "natural SSJ3" as opposed to the form that Goku got from pushing himself in the afterlife.
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I just don't get how it's so hard to mention that Future Gohan taught Future Trunks the Genki Dama, or Goku taught him it in the present timeline. Would have taken less than a minute to do with Goku, even less with Future Gohan.
 
genki damas are something that naturally happens, that's were kaioh learned it in the first place, done

the _real_ problem is that a genki dama with that few people should not have killed zamasu...but then again, he didn't die
 
Skeeter49 said:
I just don't get how it's so hard to mention that Future Gohan taught Future Trunks the Genki Dama, or Goku taught him it in the present timeline. Would have taken less than a minute to do with Goku, even less with Future Gohan.
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That's not even my main problem with that scene. Just the composition of it all made it feel rushed and abrupt, and well, bad.
 
ElFly said:
genki damas are something that naturally happens, that's were kaioh learned it in the first place, done

the _real_ problem is that a genki dama with that few people should not have killed zamasu...but then again, he didn't die
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Another way to solve that, have Vegeta and Goku at Blue. Is that enough power? Who knows, but it's more believable.
It felt like they went out of their way to put things in that arc that didn't make sense.

Icyflamez96 said:
That's not even my main problem with that scene. Just the composition of it all made it feel rushed and abrupt, and well, bad.
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Maybe 2 episodes. One where Vegito fights Blamasu, and while he's doing that, Trunks getting frustrated he can't help, and then starts channeling something he doesn't understand. The Genki Dama, but he doesn't know how to use it.

2nd episode focuses on Future Trunks fighting Blamasu. Vegeta and Goku notice the Genki Dama isn't strong enough, they give their own energy. Highlight that because Blamasu bulked up, he's too slow which is why he isn't doing anything against Future Trunks.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
I don't think the God Ki thing makes sense. My only real problem with his transformation was the lack of acknowledgement. I think the best explanation for it would be classifying it as a "natural SSJ3" as opposed to the form that Goku got from pushing himself in the afterlife.
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It could work as an inbetween form before reaching full SSB status. Whenever SSB comes out, everyone talks about "pressure", so I think it would've worked fine if, at the time Trunks got it, Vegeta had commented something like "This pressure? Could it be?" and Zamasu or Black had said something like "The ki of Gods?". Instead, we're left with no answers whatsoever and it simply becomes another random asspull from the many Trunks had in the arc.
 
ElFly said:
genki damas are something that naturally happens, that's were kaioh learned it in the first place, done

the _real_ problem is that a genki dama with that few people should not have killed zamasu...but then again, he didn't die
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Genki Dama uses people's energy. The Spirit Sword uses the people's hope, which only grows in times of despair.

Unfortunately, hopes don't actually mean anything, so the Spirit Sword doesn't really do any lasting damage.
 
A few simple changes to the action would have also made it better:

- Have Father/Son Galic Gun be the moment the Angel Arc gets broken (so it actually does something)
- THEN Have Goku's SSBKK Kamehameha be the thing to break Zamasu into mutated form
- Leave Goku with a Broken Arm, showing a more urgent need for Fusion
- Have Vegito beat the shit out of Zamasu still, but instead have Zamasu somehow break the Potaras causing the diffuse instead
- Then have Goku and Vegeta as SSB push their energy into Trunks so he can finish Zamasu off

That structure would have made the final fight have a bit of a sense flow about it.
 
HardRojo said:
It could work as an inbetween form before reaching full SSB status. Whenever SSB comes out, everyone talks about "pressure", so I think it would've worked fine if, at the time Trunks got it, Vegeta had commented something like "This pressure? Could it be?" and Zamasu or Black had said something like "The ki of Gods?". Instead, we're left with no answers whatsoever and it simply becomes another random asspull from the many Trunks had in the arc.
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Isn't the key to god ki a master of ki control? That's why that explanation wouldn't make much sense to me. I feel like a rage boost is the opposite of "control".

Skeeter49 said:
Maybe 2 episodes. One where Vegito fights Blamasu, and while he's doing that, Trunks getting frustrated he can't help, and then starts channeling something he doesn't understand. The Genki Dama, but he doesn't know how to use it.

2nd episode focuses on Future Trunks fighting Blamasu. Vegeta and Goku notice the Genki Dama isn't strong enough, they give their own energy. Highlight that because Blamasu bulked up, he's too slow which is why he isn't doing anything against Future Trunks.
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That would definitely be better.

L Thammy said:
Genki Dama uses people's energy. The Spirit Sword uses the people's hope, which only grows in times of despair.
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That's an interesting explanation.
 
I think Goku's Kamehameha should have been used on Blamasu at the same time as the father/ son galick gun.

Then Vegeta and Trunks don't overpower his attack, just holds it off, and Goku doesn't over power him either. It's similar to what Vegeta did during the Cell vs. Gohan Kamehameha struggle.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
Isn't the key to god ki a master of ki control? That's why that explanation wouldn't make much sense to me. I feel like a rage boost is the opposite of "control".
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How about it being the reason it's not fully SSB? You need someone like Whis to help you realize the form to its full potential.
 
SSB really needs more details on what the is and how you obtain it. For Trunks's form I'm torn between almost at SSB or a natural evolution like SS2 With the blue aura being a refined lightning.
 
Seen far too many people in the last couple of pages say Freeza instead of Frieza lol

I think I fucked up too the other day
 
HardRojo said:
How about it being the reason it's not fully SSB? You need someone like Whis to help you realize the form to its full potential.
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I mean, i'm not trying to be stubborn, but I feel like you could say the same thing about SSJ2. Either way, you need that Whis step to get you to SSB. SSRage is just beyond SSJ2, which is why I just like to think of it as a natural SSJ3.

It would be ok if they said something like fighting among god ki users helped his body get somewhat accustomed to utilizing it to some extent, but it would probably be cleaner to, well, not say that. lol
 
ElFly said:
genki damas are something that naturally happens, that's were kaioh learned it in the first place, done

the _real_ problem is that a genki dama with that few people should not have killed zamasu...but then again, he didn't die
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He didn't die properly, but I'll just handwave it as he burnt ridiculous amounts of energy, same as Vegito and the not immortal half of him was either dead or dying, which is perhaps why he didn't defuse.

All tales from my ass of course, but you really shouldn't think too hard about Dragonball anyway.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
I mean, i'm not trying to be stubborn, but I feel like you could say the same thing about SSJ2. Either way, you need that Whis step to get you to SSB. SSRage is just beyond SSJ2, which is why I just like to think of it as a natural SSJ3.

It would be ok if they said something like fighting among god ki users helped his body get somewhat accustomed to utilizing it to some extent, but it would probably be cleaner to, well, not say that. lol
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No worries, I never thought you were stubborn :P I guess we won't get any explanation any time soon, so it's best to just put that topic aside for now lol, we won't get any actual answers among ourselves.
 
Icyflamez96 said:
I mean, i'm not trying to be stubborn, but I feel like you could say the same thing about SSJ2. Either way, you need that Whis step to get you to SSB. SSRage is just beyond SSJ2, which is why I just like to think of it as a natural SSJ3.

It would be ok if they said something like fighting among god ki users helped his body get somewhat accustomed to utilizing it to some extent, but it would probably be cleaner to, well, not say that. lol
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My head canon is Sinner Saiyan being the true/natural SSJ3 and Goku's is a flawed side grade of SSJ2 like USSJ was for SSJ1.
 
"Frieza" is the official English name, "Freeza" is the proper translation of the Japanese name. Both are correct (in their own ways).
 
So if Goku went SSJ4, would Frieza have to grow hair in his transformation to mock Goku?

What else would Frieza have to lock onto with that form to mock him?
 
Big One said:
Freeza's name is a gag on the English word "freezer" so his name should literally be spelled "Freeza" in English.
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Mr. Satan -> Hercule
Piccolo -> Satan('s little heart)
Tenshinhan -> Tien

Translations are funky like that. Frieza or Freeza, y'all know what people mean. Silly discussion :P
 
brinstar said:
lol nah it's always been that. I was surprised they went with it over his FUNi name. I never got "Frieza" anyway. Then they went in the opposite direction with Cooler. You'd think they'd call him "Cuola" or some shit.
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Just to clarify here, "Cooler" is the official English name, but "Coola" is the correct English translation.
L Thammy said:
Like how Gurd, Reacoom, Butta, and Jheese better preserve the English words those names are based off of, right?
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Why not? The Ginyu Force are stupid and are meant to be funny.
 
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