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farisr said:
Nah, it's only a point if they announced a game without a release date and it doesn't release for a long time. The reason they are doing that now (announcing without release dates) is they want to avoid any potential delays after announcing the release dates to begin with, that is far more annoying imo. I'm all for them not mentioning release dates until a few months from release, as long as the game is coming out within a year or two of release God of War, Spider-Man, Days Gone will all be out before the end of 2018.
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See, that's where I disagree there. I want to be able to play those games at least within a year of them being announced. Waiting over a year drains my excitement for a title. It's like with God of War, that was my game of the show, I was really hyped for that game after it's showing in the conference last year. It's been a year.

I much prefer the way Bethesda announced Fallout 4 and released the game months later. I was excited for the announcement, and I didn't have to wait too long to get the chance to play the game. Meanwhile with these Sony fist party titles, I want to play them, but we have no info on when we can. It's some dangling a carrot in front of our faces shit, and I'm honestly over it.

GravityInsanity said:
I know people hate it but it seriously doesn't bother me when Sony shows off a game at E3 that's not coming out in like 2 or 3 years. It only leaves me excited on what to look forward to in the future. Plus, we get PS4 exclusives every year mostly in the first half and summer. Then in the second we have multiplatform games and Microsoft exclusives. Every year they're so many games this gen now.
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We get the promise of these titles, but no certainty of when we'll be able to play them though. I love an out of left field announcement like FFVIIR as much as the next guy, but how many years ago was that game announced? I just want to get this over with and play the damn thing.
 
Trago said:
See, that's where I disagree there. I want to be able to play those games at least within a year of them being announced. Waiting over a year drains my excitement for a title. It's like with God of War, that was my game of the show, I was really hyped for that game after it's showing in the conference last year. It's been a year.

I much prefer the way Bethesda announced Fallout 4 and released the game months later. I was excited for the announcement, and I didn't have to wait too long to get the chance to play the game. Meanwhile with these Sony fist party titles, I want to play them, but we have no info on when we can. It's some dangling a carrot in front of our faces shit, and I'm honestly over it.
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And when the game comes out, you're going to buy and play it.
 
I'll never get why some people are so hung up about release dates. At the end of the day, the release date is gonna be the same no matter when it's announced. The movie industry announces films way ahead of release and hardly anyone minds. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
 
Trago said:
Sony E3 exclusive announcements:
God of War - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Days Gone - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Spiderman - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Death Stranding - Announced E3 2016. No release date.


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I'm personally getting real tired of this shit. I get that people really want to get hyped for a lineup, but by the time the conference rolls on, it will have been a year since these titles were announced. And I have a feeling that we won't be able to play some of these titles this year. I find myself getting hyped for hard release dates rather than announcements now. It doesn't help that many games in this generation were delayed past their initial release dates. But hey, gotta hype up the platform right?

If in this conference, Sony makes any new announcements without hard release dates, I'm honestly not getting hyped. I almost don't even want to see Sucker Punch's new game until they have a release date ready. And that goes for the other conferences too, I'm legit gonna keep tabs on this shit!
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Sony kinda of works on a Tic Toc E3 cycle

Once year they announce a bunch of stuff not out for another 12-24 months. But then the following year they can actually talk about that stuff and have a release window.

I bet this year we totally come out with a release date for Spider Man and God of War and at the very least a "2018" for Days Gone.

Death Stranding will probably get another trailer since Kojima lives for E3 trailers but that shit probably wont even be this generation so just enjoy the stupid ride with that one.
 
cheesekao said:
I'll never get why some people are so hung up about release dates. At the end of the day, the release date is gonna be the same no matter when it's announced. The movie industry announces films way ahead of release and hardly anyone minds. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Yep.

I wish we moved towards the movie industry model myself.
 
Trago said:
Yes, of course, but I won't be as excited to play them as I was years before when I knew about them.
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What does your excitement have to do with the enjoyment of playing the game in the moment and what you think about it after you finish. Have you ever thought, "man, I would have enjoyed this game so much more if it had come out six months or a year ago"?
 
cheesekao said:
I'll never get why some people are so hung up about release dates. At the end of the day, the release date is gonna be the same no matter when it's announced. The movie industry announces films way ahead of release and hardly anyone minds. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Dev cycles, especially now, tend to be much longer than major film productions. The near constant delays we've had for major titles this gen should be telling.
 
Trago said:
Sony E3 exclusive announcements:
God of War - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Days Gone - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Spiderman - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Death Stranding - Announced E3 2016. No release date.


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I'm personally getting real tired of this shit. I get that people really want to get hyped for a lineup, but by the time the conference rolls on, it will have been a year since these titles were announced. And I have a feeling that we won't be able to play some of these titles this year. I find myself getting hyped for hard release dates rather than announcements now. It doesn't help that many games in this generation were delayed past their initial release dates. But hey, gotta hype up the platform right?

If in this conference, Sony makes any new announcements without hard release dates, I'm honestly not getting hyped. I almost don't even want to see Sucker Punch's new game until they have a release date ready. And that goes for the other conferences too, I'm legit gonna keep tabs on this shit!
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I honestly couldn't disagree more. Who cares when those games are actually coming out? There's tons of content that comes out consistently on PS4, why not roadmap the biggest games down the pipeline. Works for Marvel, I've known about Thanos being the final villain for like 10 years now lol.You want Sony to be like MS and only release games in the Fall of every year and discuss things that's 6 months away? I surely don't...

It's stupid...Yeah, we're waiting to player Days Gone and Spiderman and God of War, while were waiting, we're playing Horizon, and Persona 5, and hopefully soon GTS. I don't see a problem with laying down a roadmap. And honestly, unless you have a PS4 specifically for these games, you shouldn't have purchased it yet. The content flow for the system has been incredible.
 
jayu26 said:
What does your excitement have to do with the enjoyment of playing the game in the moment and what you think about it after you finish. Have you ever thought, "man, I would have enjoyed this game so much more if it had come out six months or a year ago"?
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This started happening with me last year when I completed TLG and FFXV. The long wait for both of those titles did have an impact on my enjoyment of both games.

Omnistalgic said:
I honestly couldn't disagree more. Who cares when those games are actually coming out? There's tons of content that comes out consistently on PS4, why not roadmap the biggest games down the pipeline. Works for Marvel, I've known about Thanos being the final villain for like 10 years now lol.You want Sony to be like MS and only release games in the Fall of every year and discuss things that's 6 months away? I surely don't...

It's stupid...Yeah, we're waiting to player Days Gone and Spiderman and God of War, while were waiting, we're playing Horizon, and Persona 5, and hopefully soon GTS. I don't see a problem with laying down a roadmap. And honestly, unless you have a PS4 specifically for these games, you shouldn't have purchased it yet. The content flow for the system has been incredible.
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Of course not, I said that I would like it if these titles would release within a year of being announced at least. Hell, Resident Evil VII was announced at least year's E3 and we've all had the chance to play it.
 
Trago said:
Sony E3 exclusive announcements:
God of War - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Days Gone - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Spiderman - Announced E3 2016. No release date.
Death Stranding - Announced E3 2016. No release date.


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I'm personally getting real tired of this shit. I get that people really want to get hyped for a lineup, but by the time the conference rolls on, it will have been a year since these titles were announced. And I have a feeling that we won't be able to play some of these titles this year. I find myself getting hyped for hard release dates rather than announcements now. It doesn't help that many games in this generation were delayed past their initial release dates. But hey, gotta hype up the platform right?

If in this conference, Sony makes any new announcements without hard release dates, I'm honestly not getting hyped. I almost don't even want to see Sucker Punch's new game until they have a release date ready. And that goes for the other conferences too, I'm legit gonna keep tabs on this shit!
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Don't worry. I think this year's E3 will be the year that Sony doubles down on everything that's coming out between this E3 and next year's E3 with release dates. While the majority are expecting several new announcements, im expecting no more than two and both will be third party. I'm also the only one who's not expecting Sucker Punch's new IP, TLOUP2, FFVIIR, KHIII, Shenmue III or Horizon's expansion.

Sony can easily have the best conference by showing gameplay video after gameplay video (ala last year) with release dates and avoid the games that are late 2018 and beyond. I see the following being released after this year's E3 but before next year's E3.

- Crash trilogy (published by Activision, will get one final push at E3)
- Everybody's Golf (already dated for August 29th)
- Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (August 22nd and my pick to open up E3 this year)
- Knack 2 (September 2017)
- Gran Turismo Sport (early November 2017)
- Dreams Beta (this summer, full release, early 2018)
- Days Gone (February 2018)
- God of War (March 2018)
- Detroit: Become Human (May 2018)
- Matterfall (fall 2017)

Then, next year's E3 can finally be Bloodborne 2, SP new IP, Death Stranding gameplay (still don't believe gameplay is this year), TLOUP2 gameplay, Horizon expansion and final push (my guess is it debuts at PSX kicking off the show and comes out after next year's E3 after Sony decides to make it stand alone once they see the most likely success of the Uncharted standalone), FFVIIR gameplay and part one release date, Spider-Man (September 2018), Shenmue III with "2019" at the end. Add in any remaining VR titles, a few Indies and there you go.

Two stacked E3 shows. 2017 focuses on what you'll be playing the rest of 2017 and early/mid 2018 while next year's E3 focuses on late 2018 and beyond while at the same time, "reloading" the list with Bloodborne 2 and the new IP from Sucker Punch.

Four weeks to go from this coming Monday. Should be awesome either way.
 
Trago said:
Dev cycles, especially now, tend to be much longer than major film productions. The near constant delays we've had for major titles this gen should be telling.
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I don't deny that but I only see that as a problem if there are no game being released in between that period and that's not the case here. If you lose interest in game due to long dev cycles then I think that says more about the game itself than you.
 
Trago said:
Dev cycles, especially now, tend to be much longer than major film productions. The near constant delays we've had for major titles this gen should be telling.
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E3 is a once in a year event, and most games are hitting 1-2 E3s. I'm honestly not seeing the issue in hitting 1-2 E3s.

Let's take God of War for example. If it comes out as most people expect, March 2018, it will have shown up at two E3s.

I honestly don't see the issue with that. That means the game was revealed at a good time and you absolutely cannot predict delays in this industry given that most delays are extremely late dev cycle ones.

The way it is right now is fantastic, I suspect not only for me but many others.
 
Sony's early announcements wouldn't be so bad if they weren't followed by a whole year of total silence

Having to wait this long for any Spider-Man info is lame
 
cheesekao said:
I'll never get why some people are so hung up about release dates. At the end of the day, the release date is gonna be the same no matter when it's announced. The movie industry announces films way ahead of release and hardly anyone minds. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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100% agreed. I'd love for developers to take a page from the film industry and basically show a roadmap of their future releases.
 
Trago said:
This started happening with me last year when I completed TLG and FFXV. The long wait for both of those titles did have an impact on my enjoyment of both games.
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Did it happen with BotW or Persona 5 or Uncharted 4 or Last of Us or...

How do you know that your feelings for Last Guardian and FFXV wouldn't be same had they released earlier? Specially in case of TLG, because that game is exactly what the creators wanted it to be and exactly what was promised (bar the performance issues).
 
cheesekao said:
I'll never get why some people are so hung up about release dates. At the end of the day, the release date is gonna be the same no matter when it's announced. The movie industry announces films way ahead of release and hardly anyone minds. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Yeah i don't the see the problem with it .
Of course after years of hype they could let you down but that goes for anything .
Showing stuff early is never a problem and does not stop stuff from selling so there is no harm done to the pub .
I also look forward in seeing what have to play in the upcoming years .

Trago said:
Dev cycles, especially now, tend to be much longer than major film productions. The near constant delays we've had for major titles this gen should be telling.
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We still know about certain films years in advance .
Take comic book movies for eg and they still hype when they come out .
 
Also, stuff gets leaked. Asking devs to be so secretive as to wait a year before showing off the game is basically leaving up the initial reveal of the game up to chance.

God, the secrecy in the video game industry is annoying.

If you're​ falling for long hype cycles, guess what, that's on you.
 
cheesekao said:
I don't deny that but I only see that as a problem if there are no game being released in between that period and that's not the case here. If you lose interest in game due to long dev cycles then I think that says more about the game itself than you.
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Could be, but I would still prefer to have it that these games are available while interest is is still up there.

Again, I understand the importance of having your lineup known to keep people interested in the platform. I just don't want to have to wait two+ years to play them.
 
I don't get worried about initial reveals or the time it takes for new info.

We know a spiderman game is coming. That's enough for me. They'll show more when they are ready to show more.

I don't need to see updates on a game every 3 months unless it's kickstarter and I've already invested money.

We've been through this before people and we know how it works. Like the poster above said. Movies do this all the time. Announce shit years in advance and no one cares.
 
Boke1879 said:
I don't get worried about initial reveals or the time it takes for new info.

We know a spiderman game is coming. That's enough for me. They'll show more when they are ready to show more.

I don't need to see updates on a game every 3 months unless it's kickstarter and I've already invested money.

We've been through this before people and we know how it works. Like the poster above said. Movies do this all the time. Announce shit years in advance and no one cares.
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Yea, we know practically Marvel's entire movie slate up to 2019 or 2020.

Also kind of funny that SE announced the project with Marvel in a similar way super early on. I quite like that.

It's known, no need to keep it a secret. Let the game speak for itself.
 
A roadmap of future titles to look forward to is nice but it does get ridiculous at times. Death Stranding was announced at E3 2016 and I'd honestly be surprised to play it before E3 2019. Anything beyond 2 years from announcement to release date is too much for me.
 
Chamber said:
A roadmap of future titles to look forward to is nice but it does get ridiculous at times. Death Stranding was announced at E3 2016 and I'd honestly be surprised to play it before E3 2019. Anything beyond 2 years from announcement to release date is too much for me.
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For me, someone like Kojima is an exception because he's this bad with MGS too and part of his appeal is seeing his annual Kojima-edited trailers.

It's not for everyone but he is one dev I don't mind extended announcement cycles.
 
Well while you guys wait in anticipation, I'll be Mr. Skeleton, on the porch patiently waiting for these games to come out. I'm suffering enough with my wait for Cyberpunk 2077!

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Chamber said:
A roadmap of future titles to look forward to is nice but it does get ridiculous at times. Death Stranding was announced at E3 2016 and I'd honestly be surprised to play it before E3 2019. Anything beyond 2 years from announcement to release date is too much for me.
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Death Stranding is special case IMO and SE has a problem with doing that .
Most games normally don't see more than 2 E3s when you look at it .
 
As long as there are games being released without dry spells ..i couldn't care less about revealing games early. I hope to see a bunch of them again this year. The hype will not stop.


About the comment I saw about GOW combat being at least somewhat similar to Souls games....I'm honestly torn about this. On one hand I expected drastic changes to combat given the video we saw last year BUT I will miss the Hack and Slash combat of the prior games. We don't really have many that fits the bill anymore and we already have a good set of soul or soul-like games. I'm torn. Hope it still have a lot of over the top action/combat but let's see
 
gundamkyoukai said:
Death Stranding is special case IMO and SE has a problem with doing that .
Most games normally don't see more than 2 E3s when you look at it .
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Yeah, Square and Kojima are mainly who I'm talking about. Those two announce games before they even have an engine picked out. lol
 
Trago said:
Again, I understand the importance of having your lineup known to keep people interested in the platform. I just don't want to have to wait two+ years to play them.
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The first part I disagree with. If you're a PlayStation gamer, you'll be just that regardless of what Sony shows or doesn't show for one simple reason - you know the games are coming. It's not a question of if but when.

I'm a PlayStation gamer and Sony could cancel their E3 show and PSX this year, not announce anything whatsoever and guess what, im still keeping my PS4 Pro. It isn't going anywhere simply because I know the games are coming.

Second part is how I am. I truly don't give a fuck about Death Stranding or The Last of Us Part II right now for one simple reason - I see them as being 2020 releases so you're talking three more years. Four years since Death Stranding was announced and three and a half since TLOUP2 was announced.

I truly don't see the excitement in seeing CG trailers for games that are literally years away. Bethesda and Ubisoft did it perfectly with Fallout 4 and Watch Dogs 2 in my opinion. Give me a story trailer, a huge chunk of gameplay and a fucking release date that you know you're hitting 100%.

Plus, when you see shit like FFXV, TLG, No Man's Sky, Scalebound (yeah yeah, I know but still applies) get delayed or cancelled due to the development not going according to plan, it's just one more valid reason why games should never be shown until they are truly ready and within a year of release. Add in FFVIIR, KHIII and Shenmue III to this list because you already know that all three are 2019 at the earliest in the case of KHIII, that's being generous. Stop showing games early. It does nothing but lead them to being overhyped, oversaturated and a disappointment.

As for movies, ugh, give me a break. Movies of today suck compared to the 80's and 90's. Hell, it's not even close. Bunch of fucking remakes, rehashes and reboots with inferior casts that aren't even worth renting let alone spending $30 on.

Truly hope that the gaming industry never ever becomes the movie industry. SMH.
 
Trago said:
Well while you guys wait in anticipation, I'll be Mr. Skeleton, on the porch patiently waiting for these games to come out. I'm suffering enough with my wait for Cyberpunk 2077!

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Oh stop being this dramatic. You and everyone has plenty to play no matter which genre(s) you like. Well, maybe not if you are into RTS.
 
Trago said:
Well while you guys wait in anticipation, I'll be Mr. Skeleton, on the porch patiently waiting for these games to come out. I'm suffering enough with my wait for Cyberpunk 2077!

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Another game that was shown way too early. CDPR already said that they're not talking or showing Cyberpunk 2077 until 2018 as 2017 is all about Gwent. Fucking hate it when games get announced and shown years out. UGH.
 
B.O.O.M said:
About the comment I saw about GOW combat being at least somewhat similar to Souls games....I'm honestly torn about this. On one hand I expected drastic changes to combat given the video we saw last year BUT I will miss the Hack and Slash combat of the prior games. We don't really have many that fits the bill anymore and we already have a good set of soul or soul-like games. I'm torn. Hope it still have a lot of over the top action/combat but let's see
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I mean it's GOW so you expect it to have over top action even if the combat changes somewhat .
Big boss battles and set pieces are GOW thing and most games don't even come close .
Can't wait to see what they do this E3 should be EPIC.
 
Trago said:
Well while you guys wait in anticipation, I'll be Mr. Skeleton, on the porch patiently waiting for these games to come out. I'm suffering enough with my wait for Cyberpunk 2077!

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I mean... we just had a thread that did a data analysis showing that Sony is pretty good at showing games that release in a timely manner (better than MS even).

That a couple of titles get hit with delays, eh, I think you're​ being overly dramatic about it.

For example, for the fans of FF7:R, I think they are happier that it has been confirmed to exist then how far away it actually is. Same with something like Shenmue 3. Or hell, even long awaited titles like DMC5.

Were the industry not so secretive, that might not be a problem. But for fans of the series? We're always stuck wondering because everyone keeps everything so tight to the chest.

E.g. If DMC5 gets announced this E3, I don't think any DMC fan actually gives a shit how far away it is so long as it's happening and it turns out good.
 
Primethius said:
I mean... we just had a thread that did a data analysis showing that Sony is pretty good at showing games that release in a timely manner (better than MS even).

That a couple of titles get hit with delays, eh, I think you're​ being overly dramatic about it.

For example, for the fans of FF7:R, I think they are happier that it has been confirmed to exist then how far away it actually is. Same with something like Shenmue 3. Or hell, even long awaited titles like DMC5.

Were the industry not so secretive, that might not be a problem. But for fans of the series? We're always stuck wondering.
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Don't get me wrong, this is a great point, I'm just an impatient fuck.

For example, I'd like to know that a new Metroid series entry exists already.
 
The God said:
I don't see how

Silence until a once-in-a-year event or information every now and then until release

I prefer the latter
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I just think seeing something much more substantial in a year is better than seeing something minor every now and then. They won't be able to show something significant with only a few months between what they last showed. Game development is too arduous for that to happen.

Also, devs have mentioned how creating vertical slices and demos and what not impact development.
 
Emu-Fred said:
I wonder if they'll bring back Days gone after the lukewarm reaction ( I sure wasn't excited for that game)
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I honestly think The Last of Us Part 2 has a better shot being at their press conference than Days Gone. I think both will show up with trailers but I'm expecting a much different tone for Days Gone's compared to last year. I'm expecting them to go with more of a Dead Rising tone. Show off luring a ton of zombies to a camp site like they talked about last year.
 
Days Gone is my number one anticipated first party game. More than God of War and even this past February's Horizon. Open world zombie/freakers with all the crafting on the fly ala TLOU. Hell yeah!!! Damn it!!! Now, im all hyped and want to play the game. :'(
 
DriftingSpirit said:
I just think seeing something much more substantial in a year is better than seeing something minor every now and then. They won't be able to show something significant with only a few months between what they last showed. Game development is too arduous for that to happen.

Also, devs have mentioned how creating vertical slices and demos and what not impact development.
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I'm not talking about demos or vertical slices every few months

If your game is 2 or 3 yrs away the least you could do is talk a little about it. In Spider-Man's case it's almost a year and we still know very little about it
 
Trago said:
Don't get me wrong, this is a great point, I'm just an impatient fuck.

For example, I'd like to know that a new Metroid series entry exists already.
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I feel ya and I think Metroid is a great example. If Ninty announced a new Metroid, the date doesn't matter. That it exists is big enough.

And I think certain games fall into that category verus other games, which are more expected. We know a God of War will happen, a Horizon 2 will happen, a Gran Turismo will happen.

But Metroid? DMC5? Bloodborne 2 (by From)? Something like a new Ninja Gaiden? Having titles with uncertain fates confirmed earlier alleviates more frustration than any delays or release date uncertainty.

I'd kill for Nintendo to just say, "yea, a F-Zero game is in dev."
 
Don't know why some people so down on Days Gone .
The early gameplay trailer was not bad and when they expand on it i sure it going to be better.
Have a feeling this game gong to be bigger than what some people think with the right marketing .
 
gundamkyoukai said:
Don't know why some people so down on Days Gone .
The early gameplay trailer was not bad and when they expand on it i sure it going to be better.
Have a feeling this game gong to be bigger than what some people think with the right marketing .
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I just think the demo didn't do it any justice because they didn't show much about what made the game unique other than the amount of zombies on screen and that's not gonna cut it for many. What they talked about in interviews has me hyped but they definitely need to display that in gameplay footage this year.
 
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