Oxford student spared jail after stabbing boyfriend had two other assault charges.

I can't believe anyone is actually defending this. Do you think it starts and ends with with just physical abuse? The crazy cunt was probably torturing the guy emotionally and psychologically...

LAVINIA Woodward lied to an ex-boyfriend that she had cancer, it is claimed.

A pal said the brainbox fibbed for four months to cover up the effects of her cocaine habit.

The “devastated” boyfriend found out when he confronted an A&E doctor but Lavinia claimed the charade was to disguise mental health problems and he stayed with her.

She became increasingly violent, throttling the fellow Oxford student to the point of unconsciousness. He then discovered the lies had been to explain weight loss and mood swings caused by her out-of control drug binges.

The friend said: “Lavinia told him she had cancer and was going to die and that just turned out to be a cover for the drugs. She’s a really smart medical student. She said it explained the volatile behaviour and was making her lose weight. He took huge amounts of time off uni to be with her.”

Barrister Rachel Wilson, representing Lavinia, said she would not be commenting.
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This is what some of y'all are defending. The fuck are you thinking...
 
Maintenance said:
Not even 150 posts and there's already multiple stans for that psychopath. Fucking world we live in.
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She's young and white, therefore she'll have defenders on GAF. Remember the two white women accused of smuggling some couple million dollars in cocaine? We had people here trying to argue maybe they were tricked, or coerced, or, and this is my favorite, simply weren't aware.

White knights on this board are embarrassing, and that's putting it lightly.

Also the pictures chosen for the article are disgusting. Here's a women who stabbed someone and they seem concerned with making sure she looks as nice as possible
 
Nabbis said:
For all the talk about white privilege this forum sure seems to be blind to American privilege of putting their social problems on other countries despite others not having the same demographics or politics.

Racism is true in all parts of the world, it's very obvious. Labeling this particular case as white privilege though does a disservice to the 90% of the population that are white but, i would argue, not being able to have such privilege without being rich or good looking. It's also demeaning towards the people who are experiencing the bulk of the racism that happens in European countries, other white people with different ethnicity as opposed to the country they are currently living in.
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You're basically saying "Being white isn't enough to have privilege here. You need to be wealthy too." That isn't really an argument about the presence of racial bias.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
She's young and white, therefore she'll have defenders on GAF. Remember the two white women accused of smuggling some couple million dollars in cocaine? We had people here trying to argue maybe they were tricked, or coerced, or, and this is my favorite, simply weren't aware.

White knights on this board are embarrassing, and that's putting it lightly.

Also the pictures chosen for the article are disgusting. Here's a women who stabbed someone and they seem concerned with making sure she looks as nice as possible
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I have some sympathy for people smuggling drugs. They often do not know what they are getting into properly and are attracted to the large sums of money involved. Many people who smuggle drugs are in serious financial trouble.

This girl cannot be excused, though. She appears to be a vile individual with an insane amount of privilege that she just does not appreciate.


As far as the pictures being used, what pictures do you expect them to use? She is not a celebrity with 100s of pictures to choose from. They have to go on pictures she has uploaded to social media.
 
Yep with all this new information which wasn't mentioned in the last article, she is definitely a psychopath. I don't regret my comments in the other thread, given what information we were told at that point.

So if all this information comes to light will it affect the sentencing in September?
 
Moze said:
I have some sympathy for people smuggling drugs. They often do not know what they are getting into properly and are attracted to the large sums of money involved. Many people who smuggle drugs are in serious financial trouble.

This girl cannot be excused, though. She appears to be a vile individual with an insane amount of privilege that she just does not appreciate.


As far as the pictures being used, what pictures do you expect them to use? She is not a celebrity with 100s of pictures to choose from. They have to go on pictures she has uploaded to social media.
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I'm assuming at some point she was arrested. Do they not do mug shots in the UK? Not to mention if it was a black male victim, out of all the pics of him smiling or hanging out with friends, at graduations, etc, they'd find the one pic of him mean mugging. They'd scour his social media to find the most unflattering picture possible.
 
Moze said:
I have some sympathy for people smuggling drugs. They often do not know what they are getting into properly and are attracted to the large sums of money involved. Many people who smuggle drugs are in serious financial trouble.

This girl cannot be excused, though. She appears to be a vile individual with an insane amount of privilege that she just does not appreciate.


As far as the pictures being used, what pictures do you expect them to use? She is not a celebrity with 100s of pictures to choose from. They have to go on pictures she has uploaded to social media.
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Mugshot. That's what they do to black people, even when they're actually innocent or even the victim of the crime.
 
Moze said:
I have some sympathy for people smuggling drugs. They often do not know what they are getting into properly and are attracted to the large sums of money involved. Many people who smuggle drugs are in serious financial trouble.
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Read this thread. "Did not know what they were getting into"?!

Seventeen days before Isabelle Lagacé and Melina Roberge's two-month cruise from England to Australia via several other countries was due to end, it was abruptly cut short in Sydney when they encountered Australian Federal Police. The duo, along with 63-year-old André Tarmine, were arrested with more than 200 lb. of cocaine — worth over $22 million — in their luggage.

The trio's detention was the result of an investigation by Australian, Canadian and U.S. authorities, and tracking them down was undoubtedly made easier by the fact that Lagacé and Roberge documented their entire seven-week trip — spanning North America, South America and the Caribbean — on Instagram.
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No, I REFUSE to believe
1. It's even possible to be ignorant of what you're getting into smuggling more cocaine than your bodyweight
2. That people "in serious financial trouble" can take 7 week long, multi-continental trips
 
Two Words said:
You're basically saying "Being white isn't enough to have privilege here. You need to be wealthy too." That isn't really an argument about the presence of racial bias.
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White privilege, if i understand correctly, needs proper historical and social conditions to be deemed as such. It's also used to explain deep systemic racism and argued that the variable of being white is the most substantial trait of having preferential treatment. Racial bias is racism, though i don't see how it's a variable in this case since her sentencing is outside the norm for other native white people.
 
Aureon said:
But yeah, sure, racism is over.
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I really don't think this is a good showcase of racism. In a (overwhelming) majority white country you won't see it manifest by white people being released with loads of too mild sentences, but minorities that are being discriminated against receiving too harsh sentences (and more sentences overall on a weaker basis). This sentence clearly is strongly influenced by her social standing / class, education and perceived worth for society. For her to get into such a position, it might possibly have been disadvantageous if she were not white, but white privilege is less of a privilege in the stricter sense but more the absence of discrimination.

Sex and ethnicity may play a role in the sentence, but it certainly is less clear than the class and perceived value being of importance here. Of course, if you have a statistic at hand showing that this judge gives more harsh sentences to non-white people on average, I could see it being a releavant example, but as it stands, I really don't see this as a primarily ethnical thing.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
I'm assuming at some point she was arrested. Do they not do mug shots in the UK? Not to mention if it was a black male victim, out of all the pics of him smiling or hanging out with friends, at graduations, etc, they'd find the one pic of him mean mugging. They'd scour his social media to find the most unflattering picture possible.
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I do not know the laws regarding mugshots being released. I do often see them on articles, though.

Two Words said:
Mugshot. That's what they do to black people, even when they're actually innocent or even the victim of the crime.
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The UK media generally works different to media elsewhere. The UK media is happy to throw white people under the bus all the time. It was the media that popularised the use of the word 'Chav' and created the 'benefits scrounger'.
 
Yoshi said:
I really don't think this is a good showcase of racism. In a (overwhelming) majority white country you won't see it manifest by white people being released with loads of too mild sentences, but minorities that are being discriminated against receiving too harsh sentences (and more sentences overall on a weaker basis). This sentence clearly is strongly influenced by her social standing / class, education and perceived worth for society. For her to get into such a position, it might possibly have been disadvantageous if she were not white, but white privilege is less of a privilege in the stricter sense but more the absence of discrimination.

Sex and ethnicity may play a role in the sentence, but it certainly is less clear than the class and perceived value being of importance here. Of course, if you have a statistic at hand showing that this judge gives more harsh sentences to non-white people on average, I could see it being a releavant example, but as it stands, I really don't see this as a primarily ethnical thing.
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Race does affect the benefits of class fyi. Perhaps not here though.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
She's young and white, therefore she'll have defenders on GAF. Remember the two white women accused of smuggling some couple million dollars in cocaine? We had people here trying to argue maybe they were tricked, or coerced, or, and this is my favorite, simply weren't aware.

White knights on this board are embarrassing, and that's putting it lightly.

Also the pictures chosen for the article are disgusting. Here's a women who stabbed someone and they seem concerned with making sure she looks as nice as possible
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I was one of those "defending" the smugglers, but only for a lighter prison sentence than what was talked about. Just because it was a drug crime, not because of the girls. This I'm not defending, violence is something I don't usually defend. Self-defense and such excluded ofcourse.
 
ssolitare said:
Race does affect the benefits of class fyi. Perhaps not here though.
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Well, yes, ethnicity may play a role in the class you are in, at least in terms of how likely it is for someone of a given ethnicity to be of a given class in a given society. But then, ethnicity is only correlated to the actual property that is casually connected to the sentence, which from my point of view makes this not a racial issue, but a class one.
 
Prologue said:
One accident? Fine, counseling + probation + community service if it wasn't severe. Girl went to med school. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even succeed in that environment.
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What the fuck is this is bile?
 
Prologue said:
One accident? Fine, counseling + probation + community service if it wasn't severe. Girl went to med school. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even succeed in that environment.

But a history of other assault chargers? Now you're just enabling her. Girl needs to do some time now.
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So 1 stabbing is justified because of the stresses of med school? This board...this fucking board
 
As a Muslim who lived/studied in Scotland for 5 years and is now living in Berkeley California, I'd like to chime in on the discussion of race in the UK.

While I never really encountered blatant racism during my time in the UK, it was almost impossible for me to make close friends throughout my time there. Glasgow is a fun place, but I always felt like I had to work extra hard to make friends and be part of a group compared to my fellow white class mates. I always felt hyper aware of my skin color and felt like my identity as a young Pakistani, while accepted, always kept me at an arm's length distance away from jobs, friends, and relationships.

Berkeley on the other hand has been such a different experience. For the first time in my life living in the Western part of the world, I feel like I can be proud of my identity. It's not just that I'm accepted, but I'm treated like an equal, people around me want to know about my past, they want to engage with me, and they think it's cool as fuck. That's something I never felt in my years living in Glasgow, Edinburgh, or even London.

Just my two cents. I recognize not everyone has had the same experience as me.
 
Prologue said:
One accident? Fine, counseling + probation + community service if it wasn't severe. Girl went to med school. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even succeed in that environment.
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"Man was homeless. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even survive in that environment.

They should really get one free stabbing per year."
 
LeonSPBR said:
GAF defense was that she is too talented to go to jail... Now I wonder what those people will say now.
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I'm pretty sure the world can do without one person of her talent. We've come this far without her in the field, we'll manage without her just fine. Hell, given her track record of violence, we might be better off!
 
MonorailCat said:
"Man was homeless. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even survive in that environment.

They should really get one free stabbing per year."
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If you're an underpriviledged minority you can't even get equal civil liberties and protections, yet if you're a white med school student you're allow 1 stabbing per year. Got damn
 
I often see white privilege denial in threads regarding UK issues. Whilst there is very strong prejudice towards poor whites and eastern europeans in the UK, that doesn't mean white privilege doesn't exist. White privilege is relative. Take a black woman from a similar background as this woman and put her in the same position this oxford girl is in now and I think there would be a difference. Of course it is very hard to judge individual cases and might leave it open for somebody to post an article of a black woman avoiding jail for a similar crime.

Black women in particular have the worst time in court when compared to white women. It is usually much worse than black men vs white men.

Here's a good breakdown:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ely-to-be-jailed-for-some-crimes-report-finds
 
Miles Quaritch said:
I can't believe anyone is actually defending this. Do you think it starts and ends with with just physical abuse? The crazy cunt was probably torturing the guy emotionally and psychologically...



This is what some of y'all are defending. The fuck are you thinking...
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I don't have any rabbits, so I still would.
 
Moze said:
I often see white privilege denial in threads regarding UK issues. Whilst there is very strong prejudice towards poor whites and eastern europeans in the UK, that doesn't mean white privilege doesn't exist. White privilege is relative. Take a black woman from a similar background as this woman and put her in the same position this oxford girl is in now and I think there would be a difference. Of course it is very hard to judge individual cases and might leave it open for somebody to posting an article of a black woman avoiding jail for a similar crime.

Black women in particular have the worst time in court when compared to white women. It is usually much worse than black men vs white men.

Here's a good breakdown:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ely-to-be-jailed-for-some-crimes-report-finds
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Dude I have that report in my OP, but still some people don't think it is a thing.
 
There's probably a student that's just as talented as she is if not more so, and without the murderous intent or addiction. They can be the doctor.

She's not owed anything
 
Exactly how many years of schooling do I need to complete to get away with one stabbing? On one hand, I am an average looking male. On the other, I am white and have never even had a speeding ticket.
 
Massive Duck said:
There's probably a student that's just as talented as she is if not more so, and without the murderous intent or addiction. They can be the doctor.

She's not owed anything
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Indeed. If she cared at all for the talent she possessed and the good she could do with it, she wouldn't be assaulting people.

Unless she's just a friggin' human Senzu Bean, let a better human being take her place.
 
CadetMahoney said:
How did a trial end up in front of a judge and these priors, on her record, are conveniently and mysteriously absent until afterwards when she's freed.

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Meanwhile as soon as a person of color is NAMED in anything even resembling a crime, the local news stations are hip deep in the individual's history and records pulling everything they can find for the 'He was no Angel' shit.

It's so ridiculous.
 
While race is a big here, I think the leniency comes from multiple levels that should not be ignored. Just saying race is a bit of oversimplification.

It is:

Sex - in this case favorable based on statistic. This is usually not the case for women in other scenarios.

Class - She's obviously not from the seedier parts of the UK.

Intelligence - She's was going to be surgeon, so she passed a lot proofs of intellectual talent that may have caused more leniency.

Youth - The judge said she had a promising future. I would not imagine the judge being as lenient on someone older.

Attractiveness- the elephant in the room. This has been studied as well.

So it's a combination of many of these factors that I believe led to her dismissal.
 
As shitty as I think it is that people have their careers ruined after they went through their rightful punishment/rehabilitation, she knew what she was in for, and that the system isn't perfect is in no way an excuse for her to not get the appropriate sentence.

How fast some people started defending her again is just incredible.
 
entremet said:
While race is a big here, I think the leniency comes from multiple levels that should not be ignored. Just saying race is a bit of oversimplification.

It is:

Sex - in this case favorable based on statistic. This is usually not the case for women in other scenarios.

Class - She's obviously not from the seedier parts of the UK.

Intelligence - She's was going to be surgeon, so she passed a lot proofs of intellectual talent that may have caused more leniency.

Youth - The judge said she had a promising future. I would not imagine the judge being as lenient on someone older.

So it's a combination of many of these factors that I believe led to her dismissal.
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And if you put all those things on a minority their chances of getting this same leniency would be greatly diminished. They even ignored her history...damn.

All i see are a bunch of people tripping over themselves coming up with excuses to try and diminish the role racism plays in life.
 
Beefy said:
Not read my edit? POC are far more likely to go to jail then white people.
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Don't bother. You'll get a bunch of people who come and insult you because they live in the UK and know everything. There's no such thing as white privilege there. That's what happened in the previous thread. The UK is colorblind and it's just all about class.

I live in the US and there's also no white privilege or racism when it comes to sentencing and locking up criminals. Black and brown people are just bad hombres. The president said so, so it's true.
 
FinaruDensetsu said:
Don't bother. You'll get a bunch of people who come and insult you because they live in the UK and know everything. There's no such thing as white privilege there. That's what happened in the previous thread. The UK is colorblind and it's just all about class.
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Am from UK. But yeah sadly a lot of people are blind to how POC are treated here. We get treated far better then POC in US, but things still aren't good enough.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
That the Guardian is a UK publication, the study was done in the UK, the thread of discussion is about a UK student. You seem to have literally missed everything lol
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I read something something US and was thrown off by the com domain. :(

But damn, this is bad! Reminds me to check my own prejudices.
 
theWB27 said:
And if you put all those things on a minority their chances of getting this same leniency would be greatly diminished. They even ignored her history...damn.

All i see are a bunch of people tripping over themselves coming up with excuses to try and diminish the role racism plays in life.
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The role racism plays in life is not the topic at hand though, it is about one single case and in this case, there are no indications that race directly plays a significant role. It is purely speculation how this case would have went had she been black, so I don't see why people insist on focussing on ethnicity rather than the obvious reasons for the sentence, listed quite nicely in the posting you have quoted.

Also, is it OK to say they ignored her history? The other charges were, as I see it, dropped, so it is right not to consider them. If it is right, however, to drop them is another question.
 
Haly said:
So can we admit she needs, at the very least, rehabilitation, and to be spared from occupying a position that could go to someone who doesn't have a history of assault charges?
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I think she should get the same punishment as others who attack people with knives. Reform shouldn't start with pretty blondes. Agree on the second part though.
 
Cipherr said:
Meanwhile as soon as a person of color is NAMED in anything even resembling a crime, the local news stations are hip deep in the individual's history and records pulling everything they can find for the 'He was no Angel' shit.

It's so ridiculous.
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Don't read the comments.
 
Yoshi said:
The role racism plays in life is not the topic at hand though, it is about one single case and in this case, there are no indications that race directly plays a significant role. It is purely speculation how this case would have went had she been black, so I don't see why people insist on focussing on ethnicity rather than the obvious reasons for the sentence, listed quite nicely in the posting you have quoted.

Also, is it OK to say they ignored her history? The other charges were, as I see it, dropped, so it is right not to consider them. If it is right, however, to drop them is another question.
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As long as you can keep it at this one case you can keep pretending it isn't widespread. My speculation comes from statistics which you can ignore if you keep it at this one single case. Even if her charges were dropped it shows a pattern that her status prevents her from consequence. Then again I'm not the court of law and can use her history to establish that she benefits from a society that favors her skin.

The post i quoted may very well be true if you keep it at this single case... but flip her skin color and the real world will show you that that leniency has a better chance of being absent.
 
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