Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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Alec
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Goku sped things up, which is a good thing. If Zeno "felt like it" without ever having met Goku or after Goku was long dead, Zeno would have just erased universes without giving them a chance.
We all know everyone is going to make it out okay now, and that will be because of Goku.
We all know everyone is going to make it out okay now, and that will be because of Goku.
Arched, you willingly put Gohan's glasses as your avatar as if they're something to celebrate so I know you're more than capable of lying to yourself. But you can't tell me that somewhere inside, in some dark part of your soul, you don't secretly want to see the episode5pocalypse.
Reizo Ryuu
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We don't know where it "diverged", because as mentioned, it was already different before goku died. Heck cell went back farther than trunks and we don't know what effect that had.
Saying both zen'o are identical when they think of the erasure is an assumption, because we don't know when he thinks of it.
ArchedThunder
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No, never again.
Icyflamez96
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Then replace Tate with Arched.
Mister Wolf
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If everyone makes it out ok then there was never a need to erase universes in the first place.
Alec
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I agree. And there really wasn't a need, just Zeno thinking "eh there's too many". Not really a good reason. Especially considering that other guy convinced Zeno to drop the plan if he could beat Goku.
Zeno is just a little kid being dumb.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Depends on the person, you might like it, you might not.
I tried rewatching it not too long ago and quit at like episode 16.
Cell is from the Future Timeline, where Trunks killed Freeza. the timeline split had already happened. it doesn't matter if Cell went back further than FT ever did, the new timeline was already there
the Zamasus blame Trunks for the timeline split
the split happened due to FT
if you think otherwise, let's see the receipts
re: zenos:
why are you assuming it is different. by default they think the same, because we see Babidi think the same as in this timeline, he has to go wake up Buu. just because they are on another timeline Zeno does not develop a different personality
if you think that FT's Zeno thought different about the universes, let's see the receipts
It's pretty mixed on opinion of GT.
I personally really enjoy it and think it's better then Super though it does have issues.
I adore the SSJ4 and hate Blue so that is a big thing in GT's favor for me as well lol.
Mister Wolf
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Exactly this is the very nature Whis and Beerus warned Goku of. If he just ups and and changes his mind at the end of this then it was all bullshit including what vados and grand priest said and further drives home the point he was triggered by Goku.
I started watching it a while ago, though I'm kind of paused at the beginning of the second arc or so. I think this is where it starts going, but the first fifteen episodes feel like a generic anime painted as Dragonball. Honestly, just so indistinct that it turns really boring.
Around episode twenty there's some cool action introduced, interesting abilities show up, but that feeling hasn't totally gone away yet. At that point I feel like it's not bad, but still a little ways off being good.
Reizo Ryuu
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I'm not assuming they are different?
I literally said: saying they are the same when he thinks of the erasure is an assumption because we don't know when he thinks of it, which is a fact, we don't know when he thinks of it.
Future zen'o also doesn't have to think exactly the same as present zen'o because the order of events don't have to be the same in the future; he certainly wasn't living with his past self for the past decade.
If you do watch it, the first 15 or so episodes, the Black Stars arc, for me personally was awful and boring. When you get to Baby, is when it picks up, and your interest will vary depending on if you find the direction they go in interesting, but I'd say getting through the Baby arc is a better indication of if you'll like GT than the first arc.
Icyflamez96
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How many arcs are in GT?
Alec
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Triggered by Goku now, yeah, probably. But Zeno probably would have gotten around to it eventually. Better now when Goku is around so he can save everyone as usual.
Mister Wolf
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No telling Zeno would have done it has the volatile mind of a toddler. one minute its oh oh I'm excited lets do a tournament just to be preoccupied playing planet marbles or janken with itself having forgot all about a tournament. If Zeno changes his mind at the end of this then you can chalk it up to being a stupid little kid that says a lot of things. One minute the weakest universes gotta go but ok the weakest universe can live if you can beat goku even though I just said you have to go.
when the grand priest announces what the stakes are to all the universes, he says that "Zeno-sama has often/always said there are too many universes" so this is an idea Zeno has had for a while
so it is reasonable to assume Zeno thought of it before the timeline split due to FT
I mean....certainly the Zeno that didn't met Goku until the end of Zamasu's saga never went through with destroying the universes until then
so either he didn't think of it or never came around to do it
but he agrees with the present Zeno that mass erasure should be the stakes so at least Goku's presence and suggestion of the tournament made FZeno think that it was adequate to gamble universe survival on a random fight
that's the more generous case, and only makes Goku even more guilty. now Zeno has a guy who agrees with him that destroying universes is cool. at least before the Grand Priest may have been a calming presence, but who knows if two Zenos are too much for the poor guy to control
Astral Dog
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Some people say its better than Super
Astral Dog
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Yes he was the original source of all the negative energy and then created the dragons "evil shenron
Romars202129
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Agreed. I hate how we keep imagining cooler stuff then what happens.
I really wish krillin had been trying to quit over Freiza instead
Summary for next ep. says everyone is opposed so I'm sure there will be some arguments.
angelic
Banned
scary.
I quit after the baby arc, it's a horrible show. Urinates all over everything created by Z, it should be struck from history.
The Faceless Master
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i still don't get how there's another Zeno... shouldn't a being that powerful exist outside of time?
toriyama's butler told me zen oh restarts the timeline back to before beerus came down to earth to meet goku
super ends, and as the credits roll, this starts playing.
super ends, and as the credits roll, this starts playing.
well at some point toriyama will write himself into a corner and bam, some other god more powerful than zeno
besides, maybe that's why time travelling is such a tabu, it multiplies even the zenos, and thus, the problems
Astral Dog
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What i don't get is how Zeno never bothered to deal with Zamasu despite he killing all the kais and GoDs.when present Zeno appeared the moment Beerus and Champa were having a small tournament
ArchedThunder
Banned
Every time someone suggests Super ends in a time reset, even jokingly, a puppy dies.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Time is the final level in the hierarchy it seems, above all of space and the multiple universes including all the entities that occupy them including Zeno.
FTFY.
thus leading us into the next arc, where the king's son is dead and there is a battle to determine who takes the throne
NeonZ
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I'm pretty sure at some point we'll see something above him. He has never been confirmed to be the original creator, and his name follows the style of the lower Kaio like North Kaio, rather than the one of the Kaioshin.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Well... Except for the other universes that had been deleted prior to this which is common knowledge among the gods.
ArchedThunder
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The Zenoshin, Zeno's parents. The multiverse we know is just a crappy little multiverse that a child has, the real muliverse is way bigger and cooler.
I'm more interested in the Mazenoshin.
Hellwarden
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Every time someone says GT is better than Super, Zamasu gets even more right.
Icyflamez96
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Uhh, do you have any actual counter argument? Actually addressing my points would be the way to go about expressing why you think mine are invalid. Obnoxious fluff of no substance such as what you posted is not going to get you anywhere.
Query:
does anyone believe that GT is better than Super, but also believe that Super Saiyan Blue is better than Super Saiyan 4?
Actually, one could argument that more universes could drop below 7. That's the problem with using 'What Ifs".
Lol, this reminded me of that Baka to Test scene...
GT was nice, interesting and all, however Super has Beerus, best character of them all.
Astral Dog
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powerful Fighters get to keep their body
No one threw a punch, so it's filler. Or, it's filler because we only care about U7. Screw the other fodder universes.
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