He killed in that also tho haha.
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Wonder Woman (DCCU) Review Thread (RT 93%)
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He killed in that also tho haha.
Vincent Alexander
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I'm surprisingly pumped to go see this. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is the first comic book movie Ive missed in theaters since...Spider-Man. I thought I'd FINALLY worn out on them, but these reviews pulled me right back in. I hope this is a strong, meaty movie with some substance. It bugs me when reviews rail on a film for being dark or gritty, and by that token I also hate when reviews give props to a film for not being dark and gritty. The recent DC movies were not bad because of their tone...that would do great injustice to their terrible-ness.
Incoherent ramble over.
Incoherent ramble over.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I don't remember much about them but yeah, it could work. I'd also like to see Veronica Cale at some point. Rucka just gave her a great backstory recently.
I know you are joking and i have no idea how direction it works, i just mean he would probably make some stuff lighter than they would intended to be without realising
Obliterator
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I don't even understand the aversion to Batman killing.
I'm pretty impressed this is still at 96%. Pretty crazy. I'm sure that will drop at some point but it seems staying above 80% is pretty much guaranteed at this point
I'm pretty impressed this is still at 96%. Pretty crazy. I'm sure that will drop at some point but it seems staying above 80% is pretty much guaranteed at this point
Galactic Specter
Member
She slept her way through medical school, Harley ain't shit.
Now Crane, that dude knows what he's talking about.
I remember from the trailer threads how people were speculating that the Batwing probably got hacked to frame Batman as killer, lolUnlike that other guy.
We were so innocent.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I take it you don't ingest a whole lot of Batman properties?
Inferno313
Banned
They've said that part of Batman's character arc in Justice League will be about him coming back down from that ledge, so I think we won't see such a bloodthirsty Batman going forward.
ratcliffja
Member
Yeah yeah... The I don't have to save you thing was a dumb contrivance, especially considering that he saved Joker in the next movie. It would have worked better if Ra's killed himself trying to take out Batman or if Batman earnestly tried to save him a second time.
That's a shame. As someone who was left really disappointed by the first Guardians film and had started to grow weary of Marvel's recent output in general, I thought Volume 2 was outstanding.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Thanks for the info.
Again never stated as fact, just got carried away in speculation.
Didn't mean to derail.
You don't even need the team if all they are going to do is rescue her and is stupid when besides Deadshot and maybe Slipnot, when the rest are common criminals or just send their own soldiers.
They should have just drop the superman thing and either have them gather metahumans but since that would require excluding people like Fan favourite quinn keep the Black ops
You still don't need the Superman thing and they still tied to include fan favourite character that makes little sense (Harley in the comic makes no sense too at least Boomerang is a bullseye with a boomerang and a skilled bank robber but whatever)
The movie is just weird
Fixed.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Please stop Alienous. If you want to discuss this matter, you are welcome to the DCEU community thread or you can open a thread, this is Wonder Woman's review thread 
I apologize for the backseat modding.
No only that tho, He kills a couple of people with the Batwing and Batmobile also in TDK and TDKR. And he kills Dent offcourse..
I think Cheetah would be fun for an Indiana Jones style movie. First half is an international cat-and-mouse caper, second half (after she awakens some evil god) is more traditional superhero action.
Really, I'm just hoping they do more period pieces. I'm not sure if the ending to the first movie will allow it or if she goes into retirement or whatever, but I'd love a follow-up in the 1930s interwar period.
The fact that Captain America never revisited the WWII era was a big disappointment to me, and the most recent X-Men movies being Cold War period pieces is the one really interesting thing about them. More of that would be nice.
JonnyDBrit
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I heavily suspect that to be an overall theme in the DCEU. Even with the time they had Clark kill Zod in MoS, it's meant as the catalyst for Clark's rule against killing people. So Batman being convinced to ease up by this next generation of heroes (because that's the JL will be to him, sans Wonder Woman) and become a more idealised variant of the character would fit. Not to mention reflect on (if not possibly be an extension of) WB coming to terms with the fact they don't have to chase the dark and gritty train in order to differentiate themselves from Marvel.
Screaming Meat
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FlashbladeGAF
Member
Batman killing his like going back in time and changing a major event
Everything we know just falls apart.
And if it doesn't, then it leaves us scratching our heads.
If Batman kills
-how is he honoring his parents memory?
-how is he a symbol for the people of Gotham?
-how does Commissioner Gordon work with someone like that?
-why isn't he killing everyone?
-how does Alfred approve if he is the moral compass
-does he allow killing for the rest of the Bat family
etc..
BronsonLee
Member
Batman's a fucking loser with stupid idealistic morals anyways
Cap and Wondy know when and where to kill someone
Cap and Wondy know when and where to kill someone
Vincent Alexander
Member
Ugh. Don't tell me this....I was so hyped for GotG back the moment they announced it was being made. Waited and waited eons, finally saw it, aaaand...thought it was OK. Nothing memorable. I kind of expected part 2 would leave me sad again. Maybe I'll go catch a showing after all.
Sure. But that doesnt only count for BvS. In many movies he has killed. And imo the one in BvS makes even more sense to me of we compare. Because in there is even old Bruce where has seen some shit over the years.
BBQMan
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Holy shit. Just think that would have been an amazing plot point instead of that jail one. He killed 21 people honestly they could recut and get rid of pretty much all of them.
You shut up, loser.
Though to be fair they only do it if they have to
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[IMG]https://i.stack.imgur.com/ult59.jpg[/IMG] it was a vampire tbf
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[IMG]http://oi1345.photobucket.com/albums/p664/Pinsir/Wonder%20Woman/Bane%20of%20Necks/LG-1278465774586_zps5bdcda72.jpg[/IMG]You can't contain live-action Batman's insatiable thirst for blood.
Let's not forget he set the Ninja headquarters on fire with countless people inside, probably burning to death.
JonnyDBrit
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A lot of early speculation around the film's trailers was how the more questionable stuff might in fact be an in universe misdirection that built towards the titular fight. Batman framed as a killer! Soldiers acting out in Superman's name without consent!
Nah, Bruce just doesn't care, and it was dream~
They're irrelevant.
If you're going to defer to any elseworlds stories then yeah, Batman kills, the Joker is a woman, Superman was born in the Soviet Union. That is to say that none of these characters have any definitive characteristics. Wonder Woman doesn't have the Lasso of Truth - it appeared nine months after her first appearance.
Alternately you can go to any of these character's Wikipedia pages and see, to the extent that it is possible, what the characteristics of these characters are. Batman's no kill rule is one such characteristic, much like Superman's ability to fly - both don't exist across every possible interpretation but that doesn't invalidate them.
This is why I think you're being disingenuous. Batman has a no kill rule, and any disagreement with portaying Batman as a murderer is warranted.
Anyway that's all I have to say - I don't want to go any further off-topic.
Batman's no kill line has never made much sense especially in movies with huge fight scenes. It just can't be a hard line in those instances. The second you start throwing people around and bashing heads into walls and such there's always a chance of you killing them. Always.
Plus BvS has a heavy thematic reason for his current brutality that makes him question and then reaffirm some of the points that poster brought up by the end of the movie.
Number 1 and 2 were essentially things he realized that his brutal streak and vendetta was against by the end of BvS.
Number 4 is kind of also what BvS explores. Once the greatest thing he could do in his life is kill someone then why stop being brutal everywhere else? Nothing matters except that goal.
Number 5 is also explored in BvS. He doesn't really.
Plus BvS has a heavy thematic reason for his current brutality that makes him question and then reaffirm some of the points that poster brought up by the end of the movie.
Number 1 and 2 were essentially things he realized that his brutal streak and vendetta was against by the end of BvS.
Number 4 is kind of also what BvS explores. Once the greatest thing he could do in his life is kill someone then why stop being brutal everywhere else? Nothing matters except that goal.
Number 5 is also explored in BvS. He doesn't really.
Obliterator
Member
Yup sometimes it's gotta be done. They should avoid it at all costs but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
I have no issues with Batman or any Super Hero sometimes having to take people out. I could see how on BvS though people think Bruce is a little too into just killing the shit out of dudes he probably didnt have to
DecoReturns
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Why you guys using the "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you scene"? There's a better scene in The Dark Knight
Nolan's Batman completely killed the dude in that Garbage truck from the chase scene. Just ran straight at the truck with the Tumbler, crushed the dude.
Nolan's Batman completely killed the dude in that Garbage truck from the chase scene. Just ran straight at the truck with the Tumbler, crushed the dude.
BBQMan
Member
Maybe they will explain it how Batman snapped after the death of Robin, and Superman brings him in line. Anyway why are we talking about this here.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Umm... if Batman kills in other stories, games, TV shows, and movies then it doesn't make it comparable to Superman's flying. You're literally comparing two completely different things. What you're saying is Batman DOES kill but those don't matter because this is the TRUE Batman over here. I think people call that no true Scotsman or something.
Unlike that other guy.
it bothers me the guy on the turret just disappears lol
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I bet they'll go the Winter Soldier route but I really love your pitch.
Usually, I'd write a 30000 word response to this (people who claim Batman refusing to kill anyone is an out-dated philosophy for the character or worse, that Batman should make me more objectionable than I probably should be!) but I just don't have the energy today. I'll just say that Batman deciding to murder criminals goes against the most defining, fundamental principals of the modern interpretation of the character and goes against everything he stands for as a hero, which is his uncompromising motivation to preserve and to protect human life from those who would threaten it, no matter what the personal cost.
A lot of people seem to think that ever since his parents got shot in that alley, Batman has always just been about punishing the criminal who might fire the gun. I vehemently disagree, I think Batman at his basest core has always been a character who's defined his very existence around saving those in danger, whether saving people from crime, saving people from death, even saving people from themselves, their own demons, even if others might come to feel they might not even deserve it. At his most basic essence, Batman is a character who just wants to save people, even when it's impossible for him to do so. In the interpretations of the character I most gravitate towards as a reader, the formative evening Batman's parents got shot in the alley taught him his most definitive lesson: that human life can be fragile and can be taken away in an instant. For me Batman's not so much about punishing the criminal, he's about protecting the innocent. And personally, that's why a Batman who goes around murdering and mutilating criminals not only doesn't gel for me, it completely misses the fundamental driving force of the character as a whole.
BvS already explained what happened. Did you not see the movie? He had a complete existential crisis when he realized the power and ramifications of a being like Superman existing. It became his number one goal to get rid of that, because he saw it as the biggest thing he could ever do. Nothing else he'd done in his life mattered compared to what could happen if Superman went bad like everyone else he had saw. Once that happened, once his goal became to kill then the brutality came out. Once Superman literally sacrificed everything to save the world he saw that he was wrong and vowed to be better. His new goal that would be the most important in his life would be to unite the good super beings to combat against the coming storm.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Tangent spun out of an extended talk on the depiction of Batman within the DCEU, which Wonder Woman is part of?
But yes, best to get back on topic. It's interesting that a lot of the initial complaints about Gadot was her lack of emotion in her performance, and here we are, reviews praising how emotionally honest the character and her actress are.
Inferno313
Banned
Baleman is the worst of them all.
This demands that face app treatment.