Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School
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Turbo Killer
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She left prison and got married again and had a kid? Seriously WTF, why would anyone marry her?
Jesus Christ
Depending on which side of the spiritual coin you prefer, some people are just flat out evil, and/or some people have a severe psychological/physiological/chemical imbalance that makes it impossible for them to process/empathize with people the way others do, and makes them view other human beings merely as toys/instruments to play with and discard as they see fit.
MagnaderAlpha
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I believe those who have the potential to be rehabilitated SHOULD be allowed that chance, but I also believe that there are some people who are beyond saving, damaged goods that will NEVER fit into normal society without leaving a path of victims in their wake.
People have said she wasn't really rehabilitated, which doesn't mean anything to me because it's someone just saying something. People have said that she took advantage of the system to get out, which is significantly more relevant, and I in no way ignored ur - I don't know what I'm supposed to say after that? I don't think she's a good person, I don't even think I'd want to keep my kids in the same city as her. I'm sincerely trying to think about this from every perspective, I'm actually interested in links that go over psychiatrists opinion on her.
If I'm missing people replying to me, it's cause I'm out and about and looking at my phone just sometimes - I don't even know what it is I've said that's upset people?
I may have to look up the details again, but if I remember correctly, she didn't 'technically' commit perjury and I think was protected by her right to not have to incriminate herself.
No doubt she still pulled a fast one, but a lot of the blame can be placed on the prosecution who thought they had an open and shut case and were trying to move things along. Add in so good ol' fashion sexism because no one could fathom such a pretty young girl like Homolka could be the monster she actually was and here we are today.
Aztechnology
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Context is important. There's second-degree murder, manslaughter, and other stuff that I believe in rehabilitation for. Calculated cold blooded murder and rape, of children no less. This is just ridiculous.
Here's the challenge with that? What's the criteria for that cutoff? Legally or ethically? Where's the link for you vs where do you think the line should be legally?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
That shit is still working right now.
TimeEffect
Member
So she said she was a victim and they believed her? So fucking stupid.
The things people will believe when your a woman, blonde and attractive.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
FTFY
It's not worth getting banned for disingenuous posters who just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Edit your post fast! Some people just don't want a discussion. They want to see people get angry. Don't give em the satisfaction.
Puppet Shadow
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Kinitari is usually a decent poster, but s/he missed a crucial step:
Stead Fast
Banned
Is there no one living nearby who is also capable of teaching knitting, and owns a dog, and who hasn't committed such depraved acts of rape and murder? No one?
Frozenprince
Banned
She had a girlfriend inside prison who she manipulated into basically serving her like a goddess and helping her acquire amenities inside prison. She also had sex with guards for perks.
Her prison psychiatrists almost all said that she's a high probability repeat offender.
It's always a bit chilling how the people who are the most effective at winning the affection of others are people who basically don't think of other people as human beings. You'd think that high empathy would be required for that degree of manipulation in order to better understand people, but the opposite is true.
I mean, what's the position you think I hold here?
DarthMasta
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I guess people are more civilized in Canada, me, if a parent did something crazy and claimed self-defense, I'd go "Yup, as clear a case as possible"...
Suikoguy
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I agree, I would normally disagree, people deserve second chances.
BUT
Not serial killers. There is currently no evidence that they can be rehabilitated, and that Elementary School is fucking moronic to have her anywhere near the school considering her victims were kids. It's the absolute opposite of what should happen, since it would adversely effect any possible management of the Psychopathy.
MisterR
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You certainly know she isn't.
What is there to have a position about? What are you open to learning about? You have fingers in your ears playing devil's advocate and just repeeating but why.
Share some links of what? Your fingers are working properly enough to post on NeoGAF but you cannot google for yourself? Also I don't even know what you want? Do you want to know that she is a sadistic sociopath that violently raped, tortured and murdered little girls including her own sister? Or that she cut a plea deal to rat out Bernardo so she got a pathetically reduced sentence before the full evidence was out and lying about how she wasn't a willing participant. Or do you want to know how she charmed guards with sex for perks in prison, etc. You seriously need to be told that it is not a good idea for a serial killer and serial rapist of children to be around other children?
Wait, she's back in Canada? Last I I heard she was somewhere in the Caribbean.
That said, I don't know what this school thinks they are doing. This woman should be no where near children. Hell, she would be still in prison were it not for the deal she made before the tapes were discovered.
That said, I don't know what this school thinks they are doing. This woman should be no where near children. Hell, she would be still in prison were it not for the deal she made before the tapes were discovered.
Ravensmash
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Usually they don't get convicted of child murder.
What the fuck is this defence force?
I dunno, I used to work for a private school in the USA. We did criminal background checks for all volunteers and staff before hire, and then every 2 (or was it 3? It was at most every 3) years. Seems really fucking strange to me that any school would allow a convicted murderer to volunteer.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I swear a few days ago, there was someone who said "If you can think of it, there's a defense force for it". And my first thought was "Not for serial child killers lol"
And here we are
So then Karla presents an interesting case. I imagine you think, had the legal system succeeded with her, she should be in jail forever. But she's out, and she's in public - what do you think should be done about her? How do you think this situation should play out instead?
I feel like you're talking about me, and I wish people would just be clear here - what position do you think I hold? What defence am I presenting? If I am being unclear, let me try being clearer:
Here's my challenge, I think fundamentally:
1. The criminal justice system should be rehabilitory
2. With that in mind, all crimes should be given the opportunity for this - ie, I don't think life in prison should be an immediate sentence for a crime per say
a) Addendum - this is a tough philosophy for me, because I can very easily and quickly think of scenarios in which I would immediately balk at the idea of a criminal being let out for particular crimes, this is absolutely one of them
3. I think however, legally our hands are 'tied' - unless maybe I am not considering that there are intelligent and well thought out legal avenues of getting someone like this back in prison - I am very amenable to any such suggestions or ideas.
4. I am not endorsing or condoning anything this woman has done, like... who would?
5. In a somewhat devil's advocacy position, I wonder - if this woman is out and in public now, and our hands are tied about that - what actions and environment would provide the SMALLEST chance of any sort of recidivism? Should her children be taken away? Honestly, again a really hard one for me and something I would have to think about, and my gut is 'yes' - I would be very interested in hearing sincere arguments for 'no'. Would it be better for her to have a 'normal' life? Hypothetically if someone told you there was an x% lower chance of recidivism if she had as 'normal' of a life as possible, would that have any affect on your position?
I am sincerely, honestly and openly trying to have these sorts of conversations - I really am. When someone says "her prison psychiatrists think she is going to kill again" this interests me, and I want to read about it, I want it to help inform my position - and my 'position' at this point is completely muddy to me. I feel almost annoyed because I'm obviously miscommunicating something because there are people in this thread engaged in more of those sorts of interesting conversations - but all I have are people being snide with me? Like what the fuck is it that I said? Is it because I said I was conflicted?
Frozenprince
Banned
Considering the first thing she did after she got out was shack up with another murderer.
Nothing good.
It would not surprise me if the government or the police actually steps in now there's this media hoopla and asks the school to enforce this.
it only lasted a year upon checking
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I've said that before. It didn't do nothing.
Jeffolation
Banned
Agreed. This woman is a monster and has no god damned business being near children.
ProfessorMoran
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She gave up her own sister to be raped and killed by Bernardo, she should have been executed, put a bullet in her, dump her ashes in the trash and be done with it.
Count Dookkake
Member
It still amazes me that anyone fell for her innocent victim crap. Well, not as much as it used to, as my understanding of sexism has grown over the years.
I wonder if she masturbates to the memory of her crimes.
I wonder if she masturbates to the memory of her crimes.
" Homolka scored 5/40 on the Psychopathy Checklist, in contrast to Bernardo's 35/40." It clearly shows that those tests can be perfected.
If she is not psychopath what is she, sociopath? I am not good at making differences between the two pathologies, despite reading and searching on google.
If she is not psychopath what is she, sociopath? I am not good at making differences between the two pathologies, despite reading and searching on google.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
They talked about that when she was about to get out of jail here. She's a malignant narcissist. That's her diagnosis. She wanted her sister dead, because Bernardo wanted to rape her. She wanted his attention for herself alone. Everything is about her.
Frozenprince
Banned
She was also such a high re offense risk that her parole board unilaterally denied her early release even though she didn't file for it so as to make sure it was known that she was, and remains, a monster who would kill again if afforded the opportunity.
I'm actually sincerely asking here - do you have links that go more into her psychological profile, what her parole board felt, etc? I just got home so I can look things up, but if you have anything in particular you can share that gives more information about her - maybe a good article or something? I would like to read it.
One of the most savage burns I've seen on GAF.
Stead Fast
Banned
Her self-gratification over her previous crimes, while despicable enough, isn't what upsets me here, it's how seemingly free and capable she is to interact with vulnerable young people given how unrepentant she is about her crimes, and the continuing freedom will just be egging her on to push her boundaries again and re-offend.
Puppet Shadow
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To me, your position is 'Everyone can be rehabilitated, and should be allowed back into society.' Personally, I agree most people can be. Karla Homolka is not one of those people.
If I'm misunderstanding you, my apologies.