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[Ahasverus]

She said she abandoned the world of men, which means she was probably involved with some mythological shenanigans, which is why I suspect we're seeing Circe next,

I re-watched BvS after I got home from WW and WW really does help inform her character in BvS. She feels more like she's seen some shit as opposed to coming off as kind of holier than thou. Also, all her little quips like, "Oh, you've never met a woman like me," feel so much cooler now. Also, the smile she has fighting Doomsday is great because you now realize the extent of her powers.

The one flaw the WW movie adds though is that Diana could've just exploded Doomsday if she really wanted to. I mean, if she can kill a God, why not a Kryptonian mutant? It would've saved Superman from a hole in his hope.

She killed Ares because of Zeus' lightning. She had no such thing in BvS. Doomsday even broke the lasso!

I have the tiny feeling BvS would have benefitted of WW having being released before it.

 

[Obliterator]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

 

[Ahasverus]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

Hahaha yep. He's her nemesis. He's not dead.

 

[Shoeless]

Maybe the Nazis subdued her somehow and froze her (because comics) and did tests on her so she missed things

Well, I guess we'll see. As far as I know, both Jenkins' and Gadot's contracts are for one more solo movie, and Jenkins herself has hinted that the next one may take place during that gap between 1917 and 2017, rather than just moving on to the present where she'd be sharing the world with the rest of the Justice League.

 

[Shoeless]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

Maybe they're setting him up to team with Darkseid for the inevitable New Gods face off? The last of the Old Gods joining up with the worst of the new?

 

[Sean C]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

Comic book movies seldom reuse villains, and I don't see any particular reason they'd want to use Ares again, so I expect he is dead.

Well, I guess we'll see. As far as I know, both Jenkins' and Gadot's contracts are for one more solo movie, and Jenkins herself has hinted that the next one may take place during that gap between 1917 and 2017, rather than just moving on to the present where she'd be sharing the world with the rest of the Justice League.

No, she outright stated it would be in the present.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

Unlike comics each character will probably only get a few solo movies in the cinematic universe, so they don't really need to keep him around long term. They can of course resurrect him if they want but so far they've killed Zod, Doomsday, Enchantress and Ares in four movies. Joker and Lex still around.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

next movie should have her go deep into the mythology stuff

 

[Brinbe]

Meh, that was okay. Really went the Capt America route through and through. Gal was just okay too.

 

[Obliterator]

Comic book movies seldom reuse villains, and I don't see any particular reason they'd want to use Ares again, so I expect he is dead.

Unlike comics each character will probably only get a few solo movies in the cinematic universe, so they don't really need to keep him around long term. They can of course resurrect him if they want but so far they've killed Zod, Doomsday and Ares in four movies. Joker and Lex still around.

True, true. It just seem surprising to me that in her very first solo film they killed Ares, her main nemesis just like that. I kept expecting her to beat him but for him to escape at some point but nah, she straight up nukes him. So maybe he really is dead for good.

 

[ReiGun]

BTW none of us really believe Ares is perma dead right? He's far too big a villain I feel like to just be offed right off the bat like that.

Meh. Wonder Woman has an entire rogues gallery with several villains that can carry a film. No need to keep Ares around.

 

[Ahasverus]

No corpse, no dead. That's how it is.

 

[Shoeless]

No, she outright stated it would be in the present.

That's weird. There's this interview in Uproxx where she said this:

In the next solo movie would you want it to be set in modern day or somewhere in the 100 years prior? Like it could be set in the 1930s?

It is for sure – I’m definitely planning something more interesting using that period of time. Definitely, it’s the plan. I can’t say what it is! But it’s definitely right in the pocket of what you’re talking about.

There’s so much to work with there.

Exactly! That thrills me.

Where did you hear her saying she'd changed her mind?

 

[Fast Forward]

This is a legit great super hero movie. I wish wonder woman was the face of the DC cinematic universe.

She really should be. Only superhero in the DCEU I genuinely like.

 

[Obliterator]

She really should be. Only superhero in the DCEU I genuinely like.

Wonder Woman's portrayal is so far ahead of either Batman's or Superman's DC are beyond foolish if the don't make her center stage in the DCU moving forward. Unless Justice League does an incredible job of making Bruce / Clark stronger better characters they have no right to be the main foundation of the DCU moving forward, regardless of how popular they traditionally are. Wonder Woman is the best thing they have by miles. Frankly she's DC Iron Man at this point imo.

 

[Inceptional]

She said she abandoned the world of men, which means she was probably involved with some mythological shenanigans, which is why I suspect we're seeing Circe next,

She killed Ares because of Zeus' lightning. She had no such thing in BvS. Doomsday even broke the lasso!

I have the tiny feeling BvS would have benefitted of WW having being released before it.

I thought that was a little wishy-washy though. Yes, she absorbed his lightening but then why couldn't she absord Doomsday's electricity and use that against him? Also, why didn't she just block everything Doomsday threw at her if she could do the Neo bullet-stop thing?

I still love the movie and unlike most people loved the third act the most, but let's not pretend that she didn't seem a bit underpowered in BvS after seeing her fucking crush the God of War with a literal flick of her wrist.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Wonder Woman's portrayal is so far ahead of either Batman's or Superman's DC are beyond foolish if the don't make her center stage in the DCU moving forward. Unless Justice League does an incredible job of making Bruce / Clark stronger better characters they have no right to be the main foundation of the DCU moving forward, regardless of how popular they traditionally are. Wonder Woman is the best thing they have by miles. Frankly she's DC Iron Man at this point imo.

Diana is likeable though.

 

[Astral Dog]

Aww they are the cutest couple!

Shame about the final part though movie was decent until it.

I think it is a solid effort carried by the main actors and strong scenery 6/10

 

[Shoeless]

I thought that was a little wishy-washy though. Yes, she absorbed his lightening but then why couldn't she absord Doomsday's electricity and use that against him?

I figured her Zeus-Lightning thing and her ability to absorb and focus it was a direct result of her being a creation of Zeus. Especially since they implied that it was one of Zeus' final acts, so she may actually be imbued with the essence of Zeus, in which case, her being able to wield the lightning would be a fairly natural thing.

As far as Doomsday and her not being able to beat him goes, that's kind of Doomsday's thing. You beat him, and, like the Borg, he adapts and becomes resistant to whatever you clobbered him with.

 

[Ahasverus]

I thought that was a little wishy-washy though. Yes, she absorbed his lightening but then why couldn't she absord Doomsday's electricity and use that against him? Also, why didn't she just block everything Doomsday threw at her if she could do the Neo bullet-stop thing?

I still love the movie and unlike most people loved the third act the most, but let's not pretend that she didn't seem a bit underpowered in BvS after seeing her fucking crush the God of War with a literal flick of her wrist.

That wasn't a normal lightning, it was Zeus' (well, Ares', but it was heavily implied it came from Zeus). The other thing I'd give it to you, but she did mostly block Doomsday. The guy was just too damn strong. It was invulnerable like a Kryptonian, really fast and incredibly heavy/hard. It was a worthy opponent imo.

 

[Sean C]

No corpse, no dead. That's how it is.

She vaporized him.

Ares isn't the sort of villain who gets character development, and his stories are all pretty much the same. There's no reason to expect them to want to bring him back.

Where did you hear her saying she'd changed her mind?

It's mentioned in the Hollywood Reporter.

 

[Inceptional]

Meh, that was okay. Really went the Capt America route through and through. Gal was just okay too.

Except it did the "war is hell" thing waaaaaay better than First Avenger did. It was also much more emotionally resonant and had a lot better action.

Also, I pity the fool that Gal didn't do anything for. She truly is a Wonder Woman.

 

[Fast Forward]

No one ever says "Wonder Woman".

I noticed this as well. Seems to be more common trend in modern superhero movies. In The Dark Rises, for example, I believe nobody ever says "Catwoman." Just Selina Kyle

Which, honestly, I like. I rather they just stick with her given name of Diana, rather than some how trying shoehorn in her superhero name of Wonder Woman when the story does not call for it.

 

[Astral Dog]

True, true. It just seem surprising to me that in her very first solo film they killed Ares, her main nemesis just like that. I kept expecting her to beat him but for him to escape at some point but nah, she straight up nukes him. So maybe he really is dead for good.

She also killed Ares in her first animated movie so its not unprecedented, and its not Ares he is Sir Patrick

 

[Shoeless]

It's mentioned in the Hollywood Reporter.

Well, you're right, there it is. She's giving different answers in different interviews, so it's up in the air which one is the right one.

 

[Astral Dog]

So different Wonder Woman compared to her videogame incarnation what happened 🙁

 

[EulaCapra]

Yessssss. Tears of joy! The only big gripe I had was the CG being so up close with human bodies flying everywhere. But so many things about the movie broke my expectations in a good way. The slyness of the Ares reveal even after the spoilers, Robin Wright being a short-lived badass, and especially the unexpected portrayal of Steve Trevor, who needs to have an identical great grandson because I miss him already. And I was super hard on Gal Gadot even before BvS because of her thick accent, but she gave it her all, and she gave such a lovely, optimistic, naively funny, and unapologetically earnest performance.

Side question: I remember reading an early leak here that got all the details right about the real Godkiller, the real Ares, and Steve Trevor's fate....but I could've sworn it was also reported that Etta Candy died as well? I wonder if they re-shot the end-of-the-war celebration to include Etta?

 

[m_shortpants]

I really liked the Ares reveal. Thewlis looked so menacing there and it was great seeing him teleport around. That was definitely eerie and spooky.

I thought his voice seemed deeper in battle mode but yeah the mustache looked kinda silly. If they had just shown his eyes maybe that would have been better.

 

[Fast Forward]

Wonder Woman's portrayal is so far ahead of either Batman's or Superman's DC are beyond foolish if the don't make her center stage in the DCU moving forward. Unless Justice League does an incredible job of making Bruce / Clark stronger better characters they have no right to be the main foundation of the DCU moving forward, regardless of how popular they traditionally are. Wonder Woman is the best thing they have by miles. Frankly she's DC Iron Man at this point imo.

I would as well.

And hell, if Diana were the centerpiece of the DCEU going forward, like she should be, IMHO, it would be a great way for the DCEU to differentiate and make itself unique from the MCU.

 

[Inceptional]

I noticed this as well. Seems to be more common trend in modern superhero movies. In The Dark Rises, for example, I believe nobody ever says "Catwoman." Just Selina Kyle

Which, honestly, I like. I rather they just stick with her given name of Diana, rather than some how trying shoehorn in her superhero name of Wonder Woman when the story does not call for it.

Yea, I loved that they never actually called her Wonder Woman. It makes her feel more like a symbol that anyone can aspire too rather than just having a title for the sake of it.

Also, I must mention how much this movie felt like a love letter to our vets and the service men and women of the armed forces. The movie just felt so respectful and honored these brave people so well.

When she touched the photograph, cradling Pine's face with her finger, it felt like it struck a real chord with the people in my theater. This was the real Memorial Day blockbuster, it just came a week late.

 

[Poona]

Just noticed there is a novelization:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1785653784/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Had a quick read of the 'Look Inside' that Amazon provides and it seems interesting. Will definitely be picking up a copy to see if if anything differs from the film as shown in cinemas in any significant way.

 

[ReiGun]

So different Wonder Woman compared to her videogame incarnation what happened ��

We need a Wonder Woman solo game. That Injustice's petty, dickmatized tyrant is the only current video game incarnation of Diana is unacceptable.

 

[dtrush]

Just got back

Two hours of romcom that seemed to drag on for eternity followed by 20 minutes of been there done that dbz cgi shitfest. The Wb cheques must have been good because the film is nowhere near as good as what the reviews are saying.

Save your money.

3/10

 

[LowRoller]

That was the most generic ass superhero movie I've ever seen. Filled with hokey lines, a predictable romance and the worst third act I've ever seen. I'm genuinely surprised so many people liked it.

 

[DecoReturns]

My favorite scene in the movie was the muted conversation between her and Steve

You didn't need to hear anything Because you knew extacly what he was saying. Pretty effective scene, especially because I actually like Pine's character.

 

[crisdecuba]

Just got back

Two hours of romcom that seemed to drag on for eternity followed by 20 minutes of been there done that dbz cgi shitfest. The Wb cheques must have been good because the film is nowhere near as good as what the reviews are saying.

Save your money.

3/10

Man, I wish I got a check for my very positive opinion of the movie... :-(

 

[Shaanyboi]

Comic book movies seldom reuse villains, and I don't see any particular reason they'd want to use Ares again, so I expect he is dead.

They could easily bring him back as a more forward facing mastermind with a revamped design. Team him up with someone else or a minion like Devastation. You could say the last 100 years of warfare revived him at a rate that was never possible before chemical and nuclear warfare.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

Just saw it, a few things:

1) This may be morbid, but I kinda wish there was more blood. Of course that would be weird to see Wonder Woman spilling blood everywhere, but maybe just a little bit of blood on some of the soldiers. Or maybe I just want to see a Saving Private Ryan esque WW1 movie now.

2) The romance was fine, until the village scene. Why did they feel the need to include a (presumably) sex scene? Maybe it was just them kissing in the bedroom, but that really irritated me. They could have left that out, and the romance would have been fine. It just seemed unnecessary.

3) Who would win, Wonder Woman or Kratos?

EDIT: Also I just wanna say, I've known Gal Gadot was attractive before, but my god. Her London outfit with the glasses was just absolutely adorable.

 

[crisdecuba]

That was the most generic ass superhero movie I've ever seen. Filled with hokey lines, a predictable romance and the worst third act I've ever seen. I'm genuinely surprised so many people liked it.

I'm genuinely surprised at your reaction.

 

[Obliterator]

2) The romance was fine, until the village scene. Why did they feel the need to include a (presumably) sex scene? Maybe it was just them kissing in the bedroom, but that really irritated me. They could have left that out, and the romance would have been fine. It just seemed unnecessary.

Because.....people have sex? Its kinda a major thing most men and women enjoy.

 

[crisdecuba]

Just saw it, a few things:

1) This may be morbid, but I kinda wish there was more blood. Of course that would be weird to see Wonder Woman spilling blood everywhere, but maybe just a little bit of blood on some of the soldiers. Or maybe I just want to see a Saving Private Ryan esque WW1 movie now.

2) The romance was fine, until the village scene. Why did they feel the need to include a (presumably) sex scene? Maybe it was just them kissing in the bedroom, but that really irritated me. They could have left that out, and the romance would have been fine. It just seemed unnecessary.

3) Who would win, Wonder Woman or Kratos?

So you want more blood, no sex? Why exactly does them sleeping with each other bother you so much?

 

[Albino_Yeti]

So you want more blood, no sex? Why exactly does them sleeping with each other bother you so much?

Because lots of little girls are gonna see this movie and I just feel like it felt out of place. I'm not a prude or anything, but I just didn't see the point.

As for the blood, I didn't want gore or anything, it just felt weird seeing her stab people with swords and them just fall over. I guess I'm just used to movies like Gladiator, which of course I know this was not trying to be.

 

[MMarston]

Just got back from the movie.

One thing that immediately comes to mind is that I owe this movie an apology in regards to the scene where they sleep on the boat. I remember clamoring for this scene to be cut when I heard its description from the test screenings thread, but it ended up becoming one of my favorite dialogue exchanges throughout the entire film. Whoever relayed the original info way back then either saw a very different take in the test screening or for some reason - and way more likely - decided to spin it/straight up lie into something way worse than what they saw.

Apart from that, I enjoyed most of it way more than I thought. I think this definitely has some of best pacing and character I've seen from a mainstream Hollywood CBM in quite a while, so thank goodness for that.

That third act though?

It's like everything I was liking about the movie until that point decided to stumble right before the finish line. It wasn't bad per se, but it was clumsily put together.

 

[Astral Dog]

So you want more blood, no sex? Why exactly does them sleeping with each other bother you so much?

Because.....people have sex? Its kinda a major thing most men and women enjoy.

I did thought it was a bit random considering they don't know each other much and wasn't neccessary to push the romance but, well Diana knows a lot of stuff and is curious and Steve has experience so it fits anyways

 

[Obliterator]

Because lots of little girls are gonna see this movie and I just feel like it felt out of place. I'm not a prude or anything, but I just didn't see the point.

I mean her and Steve were in love with each other. Its not surprising or out of character for them to have sex. Just because Diana is a super hero doesn't mean she doesn't want to have sex, especially with someone she clearly cares for.

Nothing graphic was shown between them. The most you saw was a kiss. A pretty damn romantic one too if I say so myself.

 

[Sean C]

Because lots of little girls are gonna see this movie and I just feel like it felt out of place. I'm not a prude or anything, but I just didn't see the point.

As for the blood, I didn't want gore or anything, it just felt weird seeing her stab people with swords and them just fall over. I guess I'm just used to movies like Gladiator, which of course I know this was not trying to be.

So little girls can see more bloody violence, but not the implication of the heroine having a healthy sex life?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

She said she abandoned the world of men, which means she was probably involved with some mythological shenanigans, which is why I suspect we're seeing Circe next,

She killed Ares because of Zeus' lightning. She had no such thing in BvS. Doomsday even broke the lasso!

I have the tiny feeling BvS would have benefitted of WW having being released before it.

BvS would have benefitted from that and a Batman film showing him being, well, Batman before the Joker broke him. I didn't mind a IDGAF Batman in BvS, but it was off putting in a very jarring fashion because we didn't get to know who this Batman was to 'appreciate' his extremes.

Meh, that was okay. Really went the Capt America route through and through. Gal was just okay too.

I actually liked WW more than The First Avenger, which has always been to me one of the weaker Marvel films. However, aside from the war setting and the presence of a bomber in the climax, there really isn't much tying those two together.

 

[m_shortpants]

I guess the Diana growing up sequence must have been thousands and thousands of years?

If they're really using Zeus as the creator or man kind and WW being the godkiller, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. It would mean Zeus and Ares were duking it out in the late 19th century.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

So who are the gods? Are they relatives of DarkSeid?

Humans who discovered the mother boxes?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Great movie in nearly all respects, but I was disappointed with how Ares was handled. I wish that they had just gone with the two Germans and end with Diana coming to understand that it is not as simple as she thought it was. Then, in a post-credits scene, you can have a hint to Ares, maybe even show that character giving a knowing grin. I mean, for Ares, wouldn't it make more sense that he would want to plant the seed of hate into her for mankind rather than rushing to it? Ares would have been a better arc villain across a few films than the very first villain, and to me, that's a big problem with superhero movies where they use their biggest villain right away.