Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]
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Going by these films, yes.
I'm telling yall. The takes are going to be scorching hot for this one.
It depends on which versions of the two you're talking about, but I think in general terms, it's usually acknowledged that Superman is still the stronger of the two, but by how much is arguable. At some points in DC universe continuity, Superman has been shown to push freakin' planets around. But then at other points, he got severely depowered during continuity reboots in order to keep fights more interesting.
Although considering Wonder Woman actually has magical weapons, and most versions of Superman are vulnerable to that, I'd suspect her military training combined with magical weapons might give her an edge in a fight.
I would still say Superman, though Diana doesn't have to deal with an incredibly annoying weakness like kryptonite.
Etrian Oddity
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I wanna see more of Themyscira and the Amazons. The art design and tone of their setting and people is so rad.
ArgyleReptile
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Going by this movie, she seems to be, but going by BvS, they are about even.
I think it depends if they are having Superman doing his "World of Cardboard" thing. Justice League will probably give us a better gauge.
FlashbladeGAF
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The Kents... the only family that guarantees Cal-el grows up to be Superman (who stands for truth and justice) and good ole Zack Synder has Pa Kent tell Clark, maybe he should have let those kids die on the bus.
MisterHero
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Does she have a superior feat to Supes flying into the terraformer?
God I can't wait to see this movie
Then Clark had to watch Pa Kent get sucked off by a tornado.
Superman tends to be depicted as stronger, but like with Batman, WW is a superior fighter and able to take blows.
Freezasaurus
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Cheetah will definitely get the film treatment. Especially because she's been in the recent comics. As much as I love Giganta, I don't think we'll see her until at least a 4th movie if they go that far with the franchise.
That wasn't exactly the scene though.
Jonathan wonders if maybe he should, as in he is not sure what the best solution is and Clark will have to decide for himself when he is ready.
He didn't say "let kids die".
Jonathan was scared for his son, he didn't know the full range of his powers and didn't want him to unleash a panic or become some lab experiment.
Feel the Swift
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Liked 3/4 of the movie but fell off near the end for me. That final fight was just not very exciting...Ares/David Thewlis is just goofy looking.
FlashbladeGAF
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I did say maybe
And I get the fears of a father trying to protect his son.
I'm just saying that previous Kent's seemed to be do a better job of instilling rock solid morals while being aware of any fears they may have.
I feel rescuing a group of children on a bus would have been worth the risk to any other Pa Kent. Especially if you are going to mold Clark to be someone who could change the world. The alternative is Clark being the only survivor in that crash scarring him for life and possibly going down a darker path.
Loved when she went beast mode on the soldiers though
I was on a media blackout so I didn't see any of the trailers, so that moment wasn't spoiled.
The Last Wizard
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Same.
Enjoyed it but it was too long and the final part wasn't interesting. I kept dozing off towards the end.
Precisely how I feel. I was praying that Ares wasn't going to actually show up and when he did it was stupider than I ever could've imagined. Such a silly way to end an otherwise fantastic summer blockbuster.
IbukiLordSA
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Awesome movie, I really enjoyed it. Need to go watch it again, so much better than any other DC movie I've seen. It was just a fun and enjoyable show.
crisdecuba
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While I thought the final act with Ares was underwhelming, I very much liked "beast mode" WW and everything with Steve / Diana during that act. And that lingering shot on Steve's face as he's trying to convince himself to pull the trigger... wonderful.
Yeah, I have to admit, I was surprised they actually committed to that. I wasn't sure whether they'd go through with it or not, but in end, it was the right way to resolve things, and gave Diana's final choice to fight for right much more weight.
Eh I think I preferred it when she tore shit up in the town. It felt more fleshed out and meaningful. Her "beast mode" at the end is kind of short lived and rushed. Although, yeah, Steve's final moments are definitely a high point.
Oh wow I didn't realize they were saying Dr. Maru. I kept hearing Morrow, and thought this was some kind of long con lead in to T. O. Morrow for a future film. Clearly my villain knowledge has some holes in it.
Either way I was really impressed. There are some stumbles here and there but it felt like a really great showcase for Diana. You know exactly what's she's about.
Either way I was really impressed. There are some stumbles here and there but it felt like a really great showcase for Diana. You know exactly what's she's about.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I love David Thewlis but man did he look fucking stupid as Ares. He was super threatening when he first revealed himself but once he was actually about to fight I was expecting his human form to just be a disguise and transform into some actually physically imposing. Didn't like his armor design at all either.
Just got back from the movie, loved it.
I'm probably going to be in the minority for this one, but I loved everything about Ares and the final quarter. The entire film I was terrified they were going to holywoodify Ares into being that lame jobber, but his intro was badass as hell, especially considering his insane power increase relative to the other guy. He got the armour, he got tons of swords, and he felt like a huge threat. And yeah, the fight scene was really CGI heavy but I felt it worked well to portray a battle between what are essentially 2 gods, while not overdoing it like the doomsday fight. I just wish when he put his armour on that he would turn black like in the comics, because that moustache underneath the helmet looked rather silly.
Aside from that I thought everything else was fantastic for the most part. There were a few nit picks that bugged me (Why is everyone chill with a woman throwing a tank and blowing up a church by ramming into it, and not thinking she's a freaking god/monster? Why does no one aim at her feet, like ever? How does she telepathically know right when someone is about to try and shoot her? Why do Amazonians immediately drop dead from a single bullet wound to the gut?) but for the most part because it had more humour and felt more light hearted it was easier to forgive it.
Oh, and the no mans land sequence was amazing. The music was spectacular.
Overall I feel like the is the first superhero movie in a long time with a big emphasis on "hero". 9/10.
I'm probably going to be in the minority for this one, but I loved everything about Ares and the final quarter. The entire film I was terrified they were going to holywoodify Ares into being that lame jobber, but his intro was badass as hell, especially considering his insane power increase relative to the other guy. He got the armour, he got tons of swords, and he felt like a huge threat. And yeah, the fight scene was really CGI heavy but I felt it worked well to portray a battle between what are essentially 2 gods, while not overdoing it like the doomsday fight. I just wish when he put his armour on that he would turn black like in the comics, because that moustache underneath the helmet looked rather silly.
Aside from that I thought everything else was fantastic for the most part. There were a few nit picks that bugged me (Why is everyone chill with a woman throwing a tank and blowing up a church by ramming into it, and not thinking she's a freaking god/monster? Why does no one aim at her feet, like ever? How does she telepathically know right when someone is about to try and shoot her? Why do Amazonians immediately drop dead from a single bullet wound to the gut?) but for the most part because it had more humour and felt more light hearted it was easier to forgive it.
Oh, and the no mans land sequence was amazing. The music was spectacular.
Overall I feel like the is the first superhero movie in a long time with a big emphasis on "hero". 9/10.
I understand the need for a final boss fight, but considering the actor they had, and the implications they made about Ares, it was actually a little disappointing that they didn't go with a more "diabolical" approach. It was a nice touch implying that he simply was the dark whisper in peoples' ears that made them freely choose to walk down darker paths. They should have stuck to that, rather than have it come down to trading blows as usual.
Lucifer as The Prince of Lies is a lot more interesting than Lucifer The Kicker of Ass.
BronsonLee
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Thewlis going Evil Professor Lupin would've been some really foul shit tbh
I wish they would've went all in on that, but they had two big bits to hit - Trevor's sacrifice and Diana raging out
I wish they would've went all in on that, but they had two big bits to hit - Trevor's sacrifice and Diana raging out
ArgyleReptile
Banned
I couldn't take Ares seriously because that mustache was too prominent.
The one she has in BvS is clearly not an ordinary sword, as she was able to wound Doomsday with it.
Saucycarpdog
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Admittedly I agree with some of the complaints about Ares. Thewlis was pretty intimidating in the watchtower and his dialogue was everything I would expect out of the god of war. But as soon as he got his armor I feel that maybe a darkening of the face and a slight deeper voice would've made me actually believe he was Ares.
clearacell
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I felt more for Rocket, for the Peter/Yondu relationship, for Drax...I just felt they had more emotion to their stories than Wonder Woman had. To me when I can connect more with the characters is when I can say I like the movie more because it means more to me personally.
I should say that it's not that it's because she's a girl I didn't connect, but if I was a girl that would be a thread I can latch on to...because otherwise as a character she was naive, too idealistic for me to connect with, so I saw her more as a "person on the screen" rather than someone that could be me. I mean, the idea of "kill Ares, win the war, change the hearts of men" as her motivation is something I could not separate as something that is part of her character and that's what I'm watching, rather than something I can genuinely relate to.
Now, at the end, when she wakes up to how the world actually IS, that's when I finally did relate to her. that's why I look forward to the inevitable sequel. that's why I liked her in BvS. I'm sure the sequel I will be more emotionally invested in because she would share more of the views I have in the world, and seeing how she deals with those is how I will rise or fall with her; with what she chooses to do, because it would now be a reflection of me, what would I do in her shoes?
ThoseDeafMutes
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The fights in general were very cg looking even when they didn't really need to. Good film though. Like 3.5 stars.
Knuckle Sandwich
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The part where Ares clawed his eye holes into his helmet was awesome but other than that I didn't really like his final form.
Holy shit, DC actually made a good movie. I don't know if it was original or surprising enough to qualify as great, but it was damn close.
A movie where superheroes are actually heroic and not sullen douchebags.
Didn't seem like it belonged in the same universe as the rest of the DCEU, but it is set 100 years earlier. Hopefully she doesn't become all emo and whiny to fit into the modern world in the movies to come.
A movie where superheroes are actually heroic and not sullen douchebags.
Didn't seem like it belonged in the same universe as the rest of the DCEU, but it is set 100 years earlier. Hopefully she doesn't become all emo and whiny to fit into the modern world in the movies to come.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
The fight choreography was cool but yeah the CG on a lot of those flip attacks didn't really hold up too well. Diana's fight in the town was awesome.
Heck, when I looked at the face inside the helmet at one point I saw Matt Walsh aka Mike McLintock from Veep.
I keep seeing this criticism but don't recall anything looking too fake. Maybe seeing it in 3D evened out some of that?
The movie was pretty good but that 3rd act...woof.
Geez, besides the villain being lackluster, the resolution of the war being underwhelming, and some of the CGi looking a little off by just how much it has to suddenly rely on it, I don't like Diana's arc and the 3rd is just the culmination of that.
Besides the obvious twist that Diana was the "godkiller" she has such a naive view of everything practically up to the end of the film. I mean, I get that she's been sheltered from the world and maybe that means she thinks killing one person will end the war, she doesn't seem to be given a compelling reason to believe that is how things work. So even at the end when she does kill Ares (who I didn't like anything about the character, but that's besides the point) and it stops the war, there isn't much in-universe reason who it actually does work.
I thought it was pretty compelling for her to see that war is complex and people are complex, but then it sort of throws that out the window when she stops a real life war by killing one person/god. Even the way that she rushes out of the trench after being told they are pinned down there for a year trying just to hold the line and hopefully inch forward, it's interesting that her being superpowered might be able to lead them to a victory but she doesn't really lead, she just rushes out there and the entire enemy army decides to focus all fire on her shield while only the handful of not-Howling-Commandos take out the troops. I don't have a problem with the resolution, it's just how they get there that feels rushed and disregards the weight they build up of the war previously. Like if this wasn't a real war in the real world, maybe you don't have to do much to explain how a superhero almost singlehandedly wins the war, but it cheapens some of the message it's trying to convey.
So back to the 3rd act, for all the build up of innocent lives lost and how war is messy, it's so neatly resolved. But does that mean Ares is the reason for all war and if there is no Ares, there is no war? So WWII didn't happen or any war after that? Diana has just been chilling all these years since thinking that she's seen the worst of war that one time she got involved?
I don't remember a movie with a 3rd act that had thrown out so much of the good will of the first 2/3rd of the films since Interstellar. The first 2/3 of WW was easily the best of the DCEU, probably just edging out MoS for me in the "not great but pretty entertaining" with it's action and character moments/scenes, but many that 3rd act was probably worse than Suicide Squad.
Geez, besides the villain being lackluster, the resolution of the war being underwhelming, and some of the CGi looking a little off by just how much it has to suddenly rely on it, I don't like Diana's arc and the 3rd is just the culmination of that.
Besides the obvious twist that Diana was the "godkiller" she has such a naive view of everything practically up to the end of the film. I mean, I get that she's been sheltered from the world and maybe that means she thinks killing one person will end the war, she doesn't seem to be given a compelling reason to believe that is how things work. So even at the end when she does kill Ares (who I didn't like anything about the character, but that's besides the point) and it stops the war, there isn't much in-universe reason who it actually does work.
I thought it was pretty compelling for her to see that war is complex and people are complex, but then it sort of throws that out the window when she stops a real life war by killing one person/god. Even the way that she rushes out of the trench after being told they are pinned down there for a year trying just to hold the line and hopefully inch forward, it's interesting that her being superpowered might be able to lead them to a victory but she doesn't really lead, she just rushes out there and the entire enemy army decides to focus all fire on her shield while only the handful of not-Howling-Commandos take out the troops. I don't have a problem with the resolution, it's just how they get there that feels rushed and disregards the weight they build up of the war previously. Like if this wasn't a real war in the real world, maybe you don't have to do much to explain how a superhero almost singlehandedly wins the war, but it cheapens some of the message it's trying to convey.
So back to the 3rd act, for all the build up of innocent lives lost and how war is messy, it's so neatly resolved. But does that mean Ares is the reason for all war and if there is no Ares, there is no war? So WWII didn't happen or any war after that? Diana has just been chilling all these years since thinking that she's seen the worst of war that one time she got involved?
I don't remember a movie with a 3rd act that had thrown out so much of the good will of the first 2/3rd of the films since Interstellar. The first 2/3 of WW was easily the best of the DCEU, probably just edging out MoS for me in the "not great but pretty entertaining" with it's action and character moments/scenes, but many that 3rd act was probably worse than Suicide Squad.
That's really not how Diana's relationship with Barbara has usually been depicted.
I'd rather they give us a Perez-accurate Cheetah as an evil Lara Croft.
That isn't what happened.
The armistice was already in motion. The war ended because Germany was already in the process of surrendering; Ares was just planning to thwart the armistice from going into effect.
That was wonderful. The first high budget female superhero movie came and the bar has been set pretty high for those that follow. Gal Gadot was great as Wonder Woman and sincere in her naïveté and determination, selling both her emotional and action bits, and strong chemistry with Chris Pine - who equally shined throughout the movie. I didn't think this was going to turn out well early on but I'm glad my hopes have not only been lifted but also might have led to one of my favorite superhero movies.
Ok, so that's what the whole thing about unleashing the gas was about, to continue the never-ending war.
I guess Ares was just conveniently thwarted by only whispering in the ears of people involved in the same plot.
Narratively, there wasn't a lot to refute that her initial naive ideals, that Ares really is the cause of all war and killing him will end the war, isn't true.
brandonh83
Banned
Let's not get carried away. As much as I agree that the third act needed to be much better, it was at least focused and had its moments. Suicide Squad's was just straight garbage.