Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]

Just got out. Loved it, great casting and acting all around. Was worried about Gadot's acting chops, but she was good. She really felt charismatic and was completely believable as a goddess warrior. Pine is really underrated, imo, and whoever played Etta was stealing scenes.

Dr.Poison was such a great character, even if she was just flat out demented.

One thing that I will say that this movie had in spades compared to the other DCU movies is heart. You really felt that Diana cared about helping everyone she could without hesitation and with no feeling of doing it out of obligation, something I felt the Superman movies failed to show, I know they wanted to focus on that struggle for Clark, but it really made those movies a bit too dour and gloomy.
 
Ahasverus said:
Yes, and? Wonder Woman's rogue gallery is enormous. Remember Circe, the First Born, Cassandra, Maxwell Lord, Artemis, Paula Von Gunther, Cheetah, Giganta, they can use the New Gods, the hundreds of demigods, the other Amazon tribes etc. It's not like they wrote themselves into a corner.
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I said supporting cast, not rogues gallery. And there's no guarantee Cassandra or Donna Troy will make it in there.

At the end of Man of Steel, we knew Perry White and Lois Lane would come back, even Martha Kent.

At the end of BvS, we have Alfred, and only half of that film is Batman's. At the end of Batman Begins we have Gordon, Alfred, and Lucius.

Wonder Woman has nothing and no one in terms of supporting cast except Hippolyta. And I just think that gonna miss some story potential.

Edit: and while she has villains aplenty, I really like the classic Greek Gods being an active presence in her life so even so, their death is a shame.
 
Veelk said:
I said supporting cast, not rogues gallery. And there's no guarantee Cassandra or Donna Troy will make it in there.

At the end of Man of Steel, we knew Perry White and Lois Lane would come back, even Martha Kent.

At the end of BvS, we have Alfred, and only half of that film is Batman's. At the end of Batman Begins we have Gordon, Alfred, and Lucius.

Wonder Woman has nothing and no one in terms of supporting cast except Hippolyta. And I just think that gonna miss some story potential.
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It's not like her supporting cast is some kind of universally recognized group of people. Etta can be used for WW2 if needed too. The most interesting part of her cast has always been the amazons, specially her mother which is a great character herself. I hope we see Wonder Woman Hippolyta.
 
Veelk said:
I don't understand your implication that it's only okay to bring up sexuality if you are going to dive deeply into it. You assumed they were asexual. That assumption was erroneous. But why is that assumption something you hold in importance that you seem upset at it's loss?
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I'm not saying we needed a deep dive into Amazonian sex, just that it would have served to leave well enough alone. People automatically assume a love subplot with opposite gender leads, nobody needed to be convinced that Diana understands sex.

I found a couple scenes awkward and unncessary, but don't know why people choose to read that as "anger". The scenes complicate the world in a way the film can't directly address, leaving only room for idle speculation. They make a movie that is family friendly less family friendly without adding a lot. I may have felt different if they had been played a little less broadly and the humor had worked for me.
 
border said:
I'm not saying we needed a deep dive into Amazonian sex, just that it would have served to leave well enough alone. People automatically assume a love subplot with opposite gender leads, nobody needed to be convinced that Diana understands sex.

I found a couple scenes awkward and unncessary, but don't know why people choose to read that as "anger". The scenes complicate the world in a way the film can't directly address, leaving only room for idle speculation. They make a movie that is family friendly less family friendly without adding a lot. I may have felt different if they had been played a little less broadly and the humor had worked for me.
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I really don't see what complication you refer to. They have sex. And it's a PG-13 rated film with harsh images of war, so it's not like the children that are seeing it are going to be exposed to anything more inappropriate that is already going to be there. Besides, at this point, I think we are at a time where we are more accepting and casual about sex.

It should be noted that it's not like they actually show anything. They discuss sex. Wonder Woman says she knows about it. It's not even graphic descriptions, let alone images. I would argue that's both more kid friendly and mature than how we are introduced to Tony Stark banging a hot reporter, which we see getting undressed and about to have sex with a guy she criticizes, but finds oh so hot.

It's not like she's the one whose even introducing sex into the DCEU universe. BvS had lois lane naked in a bathtub where Superman arrives and joins her. If there is a line of sex being something not kid friendly, WW wasn't the one who crossed it.
 
So what exactly was in Dr. Poison's pill capsules that Luddendorf kept sniffin'?

Is there an actual in-universe explanation for this or just "magic capsule super power red herring"?
 
2002whitegt said:
Just got out. Loved it, great casting and acting all around. Was worried about Gadot's acting chops, but she was good. She really felt charismatic and was completely believable as a goddess warrior. Pine is really underrated, imo, and whoever played Etta was stealing scenes.

Dr.Poison was such a great character, even if she was just flat out demented.

One thing that I will say that this movie had in spades compared to the other DCU movies is heart. You really felt that Diana cared about helping everyone she could without hesitation and with no feeling of doing it out of obligation, something I felt the Superman movies failed to show, I know they wanted to focus on that struggle for Clark, but it really made those movies a bit too dour and gloomy.
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Yeah you can tell it was made with love and not some twisted, incomprehensible philosophical babbling pseudo emotion sticked to a comicbook movie about superheroes
 
Dr. Poison's acting was easily the worst in this whole movie. I legit cannot think of one scene with her where I thought her acting was passable.
 
Bucca said:
Dr. Poison's acting was easily the worst in this whole movie. I legit cannot think of one scene with her where I thought her acting was passable.
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Uh she had this good stare, I guess
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But yeah, easily the worst performance in the entire thing.
 
Bucca said:
So what exactly was in Dr. Poison's pill capsules that Luddendorf kept sniffin'?

Is there an actual in-universe explanation for this or just "magic capsule super power red herring"?
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Magic capsule super power Ares gave her the idea for. In universe red herring.
 
Bucca said:
So what exactly was in Dr. Poison's pill capsules that Luddendorf kept sniffin'?

Is there an actual in-universe explanation for this or just "magic capsule super power red herring"?
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I think it was just meant to be taken as some sort of formula she created only because of Ares giving her ideas in her head. Who knows what was in it though.
 
Since I'm dead tired from work and some of the fam want to see this tomorrow. I'll wait until then for my 2nd viewing.

I would honestly like Dr. Poison to be kind of a recurring character if they continue to set these in the past.
 
Note to Self: Change name to Steve to get maximum opportunity at landing attractive women/metahumans.
 
It felt like a Marvel movie. That's the best compliment I can give it. The DCU does not deserve WW. So much better than anything they have put out by an embarrassing margin.
 
I thought that was mediocre.

They didn't do a good job of making the origin story interesting, imo. The Amazonians weren't really fleshed out, I'm not even sure more than three had names.

A lot of slow motion for no discernable reason, killing the choreography of certain action sequences.

Then the third act, with
Ian McKellen turning into the Silver Samurai, or something. Steve saving the world from the war's deadliest weapon by hijacking a plane and part another movie's plot
. I don't know if it was better than Doomsday - at least that sequence reveled in its chaos.

But otherwise it was entirely inoffensive, but similarly unspectacular. But like OK. Very OK.
 
Gabriel_Logan said:
God damn Ludendorff got straight up character assassinated.
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I'm not super familiar with him, but Ludendorff pioneered the "stabbed in the back" excuse for WWI and developed Total Warfare as a military doctrine.

He might not have killed his troops or been super strong or whatever but he was a pretty terrible dude.
 
Veelk said:
I really don't see what complication you refer to.
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The complication being the numerous other questions about Amazon society that arise once you decide you are going to go even slightly beneath the surface of their world. I just thought it was something better left unsaid. I'd love to see what a society is like where everyone is stuck as either a lifelong lesbian or celibate heterosexual for eternity.....but I know that's never going to happen.

I don't have kids or anything, it just seems to me that if you're going to go down that road that narrows your audience, there ought to at least be an interesting payoff or development that comes out of it. People would have accepted the romance without the nude scene, without the tip-toe-y discussion of reproduction, and without us being explictly told Diana's exact level of sexual expertise. Even if the jokes they mined it for had been better that would have been less cringe-y.
 
Just got back and I thought it was a pretty good movie. Not the great movie I was expecting after the reviews but fun.


Gal is fantastic in the role, absolutely fantastic. Loved the stuff in the Amazon country at the start.

Movie started to slog once she got to Europe though. I would have loved an entire movie set in Themyscira and gotten more time with Hippolyta and Antiope.



David Thewlis being the big-bad got a laugh out of me. Didn't see it coming, and the words "David Thewlis as Ares the god of war" is just the most absurd thing ever.
 
kswiston said:
I'm sticking to the precursor of Venom.
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Actually this would be a very good idea to run with, I would love to see Bane in this universe. Also I gotta say one of my favorite scenes has to be Steve trying to explain to Diana the concept of humanity and that its what you believe in doing. Chris showing how frustrating it was sold that scene well.
 
Alienous said:
But otherwise it was entirely inoffensive, but similarly unspectacular. But like OK. Very OK.
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DrForester said:
Just got back and I thought it was a pretty good movie. Not the great movie I was expecting after the reviews but fun.
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Yeah, I don't really understand the effusive, gushing praise for the film. It was a totally adequate film that I would recommend to anyone interested in it. But I wouldn't push it as a "Must See"; I wouldn't tell people who aren't into comic book films to check it out. I don't see Wonder Woman as some kind of watershed moment like The Dark Knight or Iron Man 1. It isn't a heroic twist on an established genre like Logan (western) or Winter Soldier (spy movie). It executes well on an established formula, and isn't scoped beyond what can be accomplished in a couple hours (the major issue with MoS and BvS).

My only explanation is that DC is being graded on a curve. After years of incompetence, suddenly anything better than mediocre is like perfection.
 
Random minor pet peeve:

"You know that if you leave, you may never return."

...why phrase it like that? Does that mean you won't be allowed to return if you tried, or just that you might die so maybe you won't get a chance to return?

I mean, we see random people enter, and the Amazonians must have some contact with the outside world if they speak all those languages... but, why phrase it in a potentially confusing way?
 
border said:
My only explanation is that DC is being graded on a curve. After years of incompetence, suddenly anything better than mediocre is like perfection.
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I think there's also the representation issue at work here, which is why so much was riding on this. User commentary on many different websites from female viewers is that a lot of them have admitted to tearing up and having very visceral, cathartic reactions to Wonder Woman because, at long last, women finally have their own super-hero in movies that they can look up to.

Beyond just the merits of Wonder Woman as a film, it has some very positive gender/social implications as well. A blockbuster tentpole summer movie, helmed by a female director, with a female star about a female superhero, and it doesn't suck critically, and may well go on to do quite nicely for itself in the box office. By any stretch of social progress, that's a pretty sizable step forward.
 
I think with the clash between average and elevated apraisal level to go among the greats is because there are some really fucking spectacular written scenes that go and beyond than what you ususally see and to expect, thanks to the chemistry and performance with some of the actors that occured across the three acts.

Moments such as Steve trevor showing the complexes of mans nature and to believe in hope, when everything around seems hopeless and dark with humanity trying to tear itself apart, is truly something spectacular. It is very rare when they blend these hard themes with heroism and hope.

This film captured Heart and earned it wholly. Most comic films fail to express or show this like how Patty and co have done.
 
That third act was fine. I don't see what some critics were complaining about. The only bad thing about it was the info dump it had to do to get us to the finale.
 
Talka said:
Random minor pet peeve:

"You know that if you leave, you may never return."

...why phrase it like that? Does that mean you won't be allowed to return if you tried, or just that you might die so maybe you won't get a chance to return?

I mean, we see random people enter, and the Amazonians must have some contact with the outside world if they speak all those languages... but, why phrase it in a potentially confusing way?
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Because it is hidden I'd assume
 
Talka said:
Random minor pet peeve:

"You know that if you leave, you may never return."

...why phrase it like that? Does that mean you won't be allowed to return if you tried, or just that you might die so maybe you won't get a chance to return?

I mean, we see random people enter, and the Amazonians must have some contact with the outside world if they speak all those languages... but, why phrase it in a potentially confusing way?
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In some versions of Wonder Woman when an Amazon leaves she can never return to the island. The way the movie phrases it is a bit vague but I assume that's what she meant.
 
border said:
Yeah, I don't really understand the effusive, gushing praise for the film. It was a totally adequate film that I would recommend to anyone interested in it[/B]. But I wouldn't push it as a "Must See"; I wouldn't tell people who aren't into comic book films to check it out. I don't see Wonder Woman as some kind of watershed moment like The Dark Knight or Iron Man 1. It isn't a heroic twist on an established genre like Logan (western) or Winter Soldier (spy movie). It executes well on an established formula, and isn't scoped beyond what can be accomplished in a couple hours (the major issue with MoS and BvS).

My only explanation is that DC is being graded on a curve. After years of incompetence, suddenly anything better than mediocre is like perfection.
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I think you misunderstand how Rotten Tomatoes works. Wonder Woman and The Dark Knight both have 94%, because it means out of 100 people, 94 would say it's worth watching. But if you look at the average rating, it's 7.6 for Wonder Woman and 8.6 for The Dark Knight. It's also lower than Logan and Iron Man. And rightfully even with Winter Soldier; and if you think that's a spy movie, what's surprising about Wonder Woman being seen as a war movie.

I don't know what it is about DC movies that have people buying into a conspiracy for why reviews are too low or too high.
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
That third act was fine. I don't see what some critics were complaining about. The only bad thing about it was the info dump it had to do to get us to the finale.
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I really didn't have an issue with any of that either.

My main gripe I'd say is a felt things just went on a tad too long. They could have probably shaved 10 minutes off the movie and it would have been perfect imo.


That seems imo the biggest issue with people I've talked to. They loved the movie, but said it was a bit too long. Mind you these people saw the later showings.
 
Also i thought Doctor Poison was great. The little moment between her and Lundendorff giggling away on the joke with the gasmask was making me laugh on how Saturday villainy it was. Screw the haters.
 
ZombieFred said:
I think with the clash between average and elevated apraisal level to go among the greats is because there are some really fucking spectacular written scenes that go and beyond than what you ususally see and to expect, thanks to the chemistry and performance with some of the actors that occured across the three acts.

Moments such as Steve trevor showing the complexes of mans nature and to believe in hope, when everything around seems hopeless and dark with humanity trying to tear itself apart, is truly something spectacular. It is very rare when they blend these hard themes with heroism and hope.

This film captured Heart and earned it wholly. Most comic films fail to express or show this like how Patty and co have done.
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Yeah that was a great scene. The moment he dies and the camera just lingers on his face was extremely well done too.

Tbh the chemistry Gal and Chris had was the best of any pairing in a cape movie I've seen.

The moment where Diana exclaims how can they just leave the people in need at the no mans land scene is an all time great super hero moment. Movie had so much heart in it, in addition to not shying away from the darker themes and concepts that the DCU has been about so far. It was the right approach for this character.
 
Dead said:
Yeah that was a great scene. The moment he dies and the camera just lingers on his face was extremely well done too.

Tbh the chemistry Gal and Chris had was the best of any pairing in a cape movie I've seen.
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I couldn't shake the feeling of 'Born Sexy Yesterday'. I don't know, they knew each other for days.

Best chemistry over Steve/Peggy, Tony/Pepper, Peter/Gwen? I don't know about that.
 
Just watched it. Loved the beginning and middle... then the end happened. Ares was so unnecessary. For me, that whole fight was silly and unraveled the message. “There’s no Ares, people can be horrible on their own... but there is also love.” Nope, it was magic all along. Eh.
 
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