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Bill Maher apologizes for N-word. HBO/Sasse also comment
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This forum is quick to blacklist personalities over pretty human mistakes or innocuous incidents, apology or not.
Musk is probably still permenantly on a lot of peoples shit list here for joining Trump's advisory council, even though he recently departed from it and likely had solid intentions going in.
Rather than stress out about it, I just try to remember that the internet can be really dumb about seeing people as a whole, rather than just the negative headlines.
GAF (yeah i know, not a hivemind blah blah), people can in fact make a handful of pretty terrible mistakes and still not be pieces of shit.
Wow what the hell did Mike Krahulik do to get on GAF's bad side? The stupid rape wolves thing?
yup
Was Pachter on the list because he said Nintendo ain't shit? (if so, he's right)
I don't get the hate for Elon.
Lord Frieza
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He dared to dream, he dared to live. He dared.
EDIT: Damn, you edited right as I quoted.
ModernBoxes
Banned
The Milo stuff is ok. He can give whoever he wants a platform. If you don't like it? Brood in a corner The Islam stuff is ok. The detection radar on this is hyper sensitive. You are one of many who don't actually understand the subtlety of the issue. Take a back seat.
His usage of the word? Not ok. An attempt to be edgy. What should come of him? I don't know. But those two prior offenses you cited are artificial. Get serious.
You're goddamn right.
Lord Frieza
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His interview and actions with Milo were awful, not only did Milo play him like a fiddle during the interview, Bill didn't even try to challenge him on multiple things that Milo has done or been involved in. His Islam stuff is not okay, and the irony in this post is off the charts, because Maher's problem with Islam and ISIS is that he 100% doesn't understand the subtlety of the issue, he's culturally tone-deaf to the issues Muslims are faced with. And if you think it's okay, so are you.
Thornton Reed
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It was a really desperate attempt to be edgy and it didn't work for a number of reasons. I didn't think he would apologise. I thought he would have doubled down on "it's a joke"
Edit: completely misread the post.
Where does Bill differ from say, Sam Harris, who has perfectly highlighted the "motherload of bad ideas" that Islam (particularly Sharia law) represents and also emphasizes reform has to happen internally?
I've never seen Bill argue in opposition to this, for this is the meat of the problem and how it will get addressed.
ModernBoxes
Banned
Milo is a non factor. Giving him airtime exposed his absurd perspective. Despite anything said, nothing made you follow his thoughts, only consider that they are terrible. To whine that Bill Maher brought him up in the world is just far left hyper sensitivity. I can't argue with conservatives when my fellow liberals lack a backbone.
The Islam issue? Blown out of proportion. Lots of far left seem eager to take a bullet for a non enlightened religion. It's like taking a fly trap into your home and empathizing why it's cutting open your finger. Countless Muslims are o.k. but to ignore the reality that most are complacent with the eradication of non Muslims (read: moderates) is only working against the REAL Muslim progressives who are targeted, shamed, or killed for their beliefs. Sam Harris is rational. Those who don't comprehend the logical argument aren't sitting on a moral high ground, they're sitting on the incredibly basic and squishy low ground. The regressive left is a real thing. Try to be conscious of what you're fighting for.
Lord Frieza
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Not familiar with Sam Harris's views on this, so I don't know.
Except giving him airtime isn't what killed him. Milo was going very strong until some CPAC members dug up some old dirt on him. Maher helped in Milo's normalization of him without confronting him on some of darker aspects of his conduct, such as reading of the name of a transperson at one his rallies and got her bullied by his supporters to the point she dropped out, or his intense antisemitism, or the fact that he said he wanted to read off the names of undocumented students at rallies, etc.
The rest of what you say is gibberish. This isn't the left lacking a backbone, this is the left being real, while you bend over backwards to normalize a bigot who had done dangerous things and would probably continue to do more so if he was continued unchallenged. And Maher got called on that, because he did the same thing.
Culturally tone-deaf, as I said.
Stumpokapow
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You don't think "far left hyper sensitivity" might be a little dramatic?
So, lacking a backbone means not being willing to stand up for their principles, but your first few sentences were telling a guy to not stand up for his principles as much and instead be pragmatic because even if Milo seems awful who cares. Good, good.
I guess I'd have too much or not enough backbone if I disagreed with you?
Yes, we've already established that you can't talk about a group of people without using hyperbolic labels.
Right, exactly, your fellow liberals, who are also the far left, have not enough backbone, because they stand up for others that you disagree with, because they blow stuff out of proportion, which is not at all what you're doing by making this a metaphor about taking a bullet.
We've all read Dawkins, don't worry.
Truly bizarre metaphor, because the reason why we don't sympathize with fly traps isn't because we disagree with them, it's because they're not sentient. But sure.
No one asked for your opinion on Muslims.
Okay, so the far left, who are liberals, who have no backbone, but also spend too much time being angry about their convictions, ignore reality and don't stand up for the eradication of non Muslims, who are moderates, so I guess the far left are Muslims, because if they were non Muslims they'd be moderates.
Right, being tolerant of Muslims is anti-Muslim because Muslim progressives are being killed, which shows that we don't have enough backbone to stand up for Muslims, by putting restrictions on Muslims.
Erm, you started the post by moralizing about backbone and talking about the urgency of standing up, but yes sure the people who disagree with you, who have no backbone, are the ones that are moralizing (which actually would be backbone, since backbone is standing up for your convictions, which reads as moralizing)
Is it the same thing or different than the far left, or Muslims
Words worth considering, for sure.
Lord Frieza
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Me using Nixon here isn't me mocking you ironically or anything, just thought I'd use a different thumbs up image than the dozen or some that get reused. This is like poetry.
I'm honestly a little surprised that they managed to get an apology out of Maher at all, but it's still a pretty weak and insufficient apology, and I think he should be fired. This shit is very clearly a trend with him. Sasse gave a more authentic apology for his under-reaction to listening to it than Maher did for saying it.
The fact that people say this just shows me that people don't actually understand this dudes humor.
of course someone will respond that this millionaire comedian with an audience that laughs every week is not funny
The only thing he shits on with reckless abandon is religion. That's part of the reason he goes to town on Islam. He thinks all religion is a joke, so when one is associated with many terrorist radical motivations, he goes in especially hard and doesn't give a shit about being offensive.
He's also called out the left at being uptight about the wrong things, which supports his "edgy" persona. He thinks people should be able to take a joke, and he doesn't mine pissing them off.
But he's a progressive. He speaks on the hardships minorities have in this country and understands racism isn't dead. So if you thought that somehow the comment he made the other night would fit any kind of mold in which he'd try to justify, then that means you probably haven't routinely watched his show and understands the circumstances in which he'd double down. The joke he made that night was not needed and was not making any kind of point, and he offended people for really no reason whatsoever. Why would he double down on this
Note: I'm not saying what he said was defensible in any way. However, comments like the one I quoted are so far off the mark, and this thread is full of em
Speak for yourself. Maher has been a disgusting human being for far too long.
Sorry Bill. Your white privelage makes some weird vacuum where you cannot be forgiven. You could be fixed if you were a minority. But as a white male, even an uber liberal white male, no forgiveness. You are a wealthy white male and your white privelage makes anything you say in response to your racist remarks irrelevant. The nuance and humor behind your remarks is not even at play. You started a show called Politically Incorrect. I bet you had no idea at the time that it would be the left that killed you.
lightskintwin
Banned
Oh Woe is me.
"The real victims is the liberal rich white men with their own shows". LOL
Bill will be just fine.
We've moved on to many times
Okay, see ya.
Bill is dead?! When did this happen?
Man, you really have that whole persecuted white male complex going on.
lightskintwin
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Yesterday, committed by Extreme Leftist Terrorists.
HP_Wuvcraft
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uncelestial
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You know, speaking of people not giving the benefit of the doubt to others and posting drive-by hot takes, I tend to think that -- even though I personally watch Maher's show (hey, the debates on the panel are often good watching!) -- a lot of people have built up some very informed grievances with Maher over the years, and the more generous reaction to their criticism of Maher would be to assume they know what they are talking about. There are detailed rundowns of transphobic, racist, Islamophobic, and sexist comments that allies and communities have taken time to compile. If you are demanding good faith from everybody, one way to show it yourself is to familiarize yourself with people's complaints and presume they are speaking from their heart with a valid perspective.
This instance, it's hard to defend Maher on any level. It was punching down (making light of slavery) when I think he thought he was mocking the Republican senator's "work in the fields" invitation (which would have been punching up). It was a brain fart of an edge attempt that shows that he is capable of caring more about "shocking" people than black people's feelings. I don't think it's "nonsense" to push him back in his lane. He shouldn't just go around evoking slavery images for a shock gag at the slightest prompt. It's not funny, it's not clever, it's not cute, and it's not what allies do.
I am not defending Maher on any particular level or making excuses for his past behavior.
I was specifically condemning people who can't read and thought he was saying the reason he made that statement was because he was sleepy.
lightskintwin
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Suppose those that made that mistake were sleepy themselves? What then? LOL
Yep. People are more concerned with watching drama and demanding carriers to fail rather than have people genuinely understand and respect each other.
That will show'em, totally.
I honestly don't know if that's better or worse
Lightning_Roller
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Your apology ain't worth wiping my black ass with, Maher. Go fuck yourself.
What has Bill said about Milo? What is the controversy? Genuine questing because I don't watch his show on a regular basis.
I'm watching this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImHh7fqrQo ) interview right now and the first thing Bill says:
"Look, I think you're colossally wrong on a number of things, but if I banned everyone from my show who I thought was colossally wrong I would be talking to myself"
The rethoric on this forum would make you belive Maher agrees with Milo on every controversial point.
I'm watching this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImHh7fqrQo ) interview right now and the first thing Bill says:
"Look, I think you're colossally wrong on a number of things, but if I banned everyone from my show who I thought was colossally wrong I would be talking to myself"
The rethoric on this forum would make you belive Maher agrees with Milo on every controversial point.
He didn't pull a college student and shout him down, that's the issue for GAF.
I think there's a lot of people on this thread who's never really watched his show and his views on things, using this and the Milo incident as a consensus on how he really is.
Yes, he is a smug asshole sometimes, that's actually part of the reason why I like him. How he straight up calls the GOP and republicans for evil, shitbags, idiots, assholes, "the party of stupidity", "the party that took the crazy bus and drove straight to nut town" and so much more. He also attacks Democrats, but not nearly as much. He for example wants the democrats to go more left, he want's the dems to be a socialistic party.
From all the countless of hours Ive used on watching Maher, I do not agreed with people calling him racist, neither islampohobic. He disllikes all religions, call the all intolerant and stupid, the reason he talks a lot about Islam is because that's what in the news most.
Very much still enjoy this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGM41C_MlXg
Yes, he is a smug asshole sometimes, that's actually part of the reason why I like him. How he straight up calls the GOP and republicans for evil, shitbags, idiots, assholes, "the party of stupidity", "the party that took the crazy bus and drove straight to nut town" and so much more. He also attacks Democrats, but not nearly as much. He for example wants the democrats to go more left, he want's the dems to be a socialistic party.
From all the countless of hours Ive used on watching Maher, I do not agreed with people calling him racist, neither islampohobic. He disllikes all religions, call the all intolerant and stupid, the reason he talks a lot about Islam is because that's what in the news most.
Very much still enjoy this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGM41C_MlXg
Could you be more specifik?plagiarize
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He gave a self professed troll who takes pleasure in inciting hate and violence a platform to do just that.
That was my issue. Milo remains an empty suit, saying whatever is controversial, just to piss people off and get 'lols'. Of course, he has a right to do this.
Bill didn't have to give him a platform for it though, and if I want to encourage HBO to fire him now in part for that boneheaded move and in part for this plainly racist joke, then I'm going to.
Milo stands for nothing but elevating himself, and pissing people off.
While I'm of the opinion that filth like Milo shouldn't be debated because there's nothing in the hate they push that's worth discussion (and really, a known tactic of the alt-right is using these discussions as a platform to push their ideology and ignoring the debate altogether, which makes the whole thing pointless), that wasn't the big problem with Milo being allowed on the show.
If you're going to offer your platform to someone like Milo for debate, you need to be ready to debate them. Maher was woefully and embarrassingly unprepared (for someone who claims that the left should be constantly vigilant and ready to have these discussions), and the result was Milo being able to use his show to peddle vile, debunked bullshit almost completely unchallenged. Like this:
Which is complete bullshit, but the belief of this has led to transpeople being "righteously" victimized and even murdered.
Basically, the Milo situation was just one more in growing pile of reasons why Bill Maher is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
theignoramus
Member
He's always been a wolf in sheeps clothing, if thats what you're getting at.
People also are always asking black people to forgive insults, discrimination, violence, killings, etc. Nobody else is asked to forgive their assailant. Gee I wonder why.
Rule of thumb: Whenever anyone is racist against any group of people, period, you can probably assume with a near 100% rate of accuracy that they are also racist against black people.
Miles Quaritch
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I find it interesting his first thought was house nigger. That's what immediately came to mind in the context of the conversation.
Some might say it indicates a certain way of thinking, I just find it interesting.
Some might say it indicates a certain way of thinking, I just find it interesting.
Yeah, that's a pretty meek apology. You'd expect him to at least acknowledge why what he said was wrong. Sasse's is actually better.
Still, giving Maher the benefit of the doubt as opposed to say, one would if Tucker Carlson had made this 'joke' (ugh), is quite defensible. The fact that Maher knows that white privilege is a thing and frequently calls out racism in politics helps me accept his apology as at least sincere (if, again, meek), even if it obviously does not give him a free pass.
That said, I also completely understand people who feel this is the last straw. Maher's been moving some worrying directions lately. Personally I'm still giving him leeway on the Muslim issue, as he basically agrees with Sam Harris (as, largely, do I), but his storming into the debate as a wild bull rather than with the sensitivity and calm that Harris has (and the discussion obviously requires) is another strike against him.
And he really, really needs to lay off the anti-PC rants where he lectures native Americans on how offended they should be by 'injun' Halloween costumes. He's not far removed from using the term 'SJW' unironically. He may have already whined about 'safe spaces' and 'snowflakes'.
Still, giving Maher the benefit of the doubt as opposed to say, one would if Tucker Carlson had made this 'joke' (ugh), is quite defensible. The fact that Maher knows that white privilege is a thing and frequently calls out racism in politics helps me accept his apology as at least sincere (if, again, meek), even if it obviously does not give him a free pass.
That said, I also completely understand people who feel this is the last straw. Maher's been moving some worrying directions lately. Personally I'm still giving him leeway on the Muslim issue, as he basically agrees with Sam Harris (as, largely, do I), but his storming into the debate as a wild bull rather than with the sensitivity and calm that Harris has (and the discussion obviously requires) is another strike against him.
And he really, really needs to lay off the anti-PC rants where he lectures native Americans on how offended they should be by 'injun' Halloween costumes. He's not far removed from using the term 'SJW' unironically. He may have already whined about 'safe spaces' and 'snowflakes'.
theignoramus
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I havnt seen that yet. On my timeline, I did see some popular tweets telling us to "get over it" because Trump is the "real issue", as if we cant hold multiple thoughts and ideas at the same time.