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[biggersmaller]

This, quite frankly, is a lie. While it's true he's said similar stuff, this isn't his only stance on Islam, and it's not the stance that gets him in trouble. It's the fact that he continues to associate ISIS/ISIL with Islam. Something Muslims are trying very hard to disassociate with Islam as a radical group that Islam, by and large, rejects. He's even said before that ISIS is an army for Islam. It's basically full right-wing rhetoric just short of calling for internment or banning. It's culturally tone-deaf to what Muslims are going through, and it's not a reasonable point of view. It's a dangerous one.

True, many Muslims oppose ISIS. However, many either support ISIS directly or are just generally ok with their message if they don't necessarily approve of their tactics. ISIS is an Islamic jihadist group that is funded by Islamic theocratic states and often ordinary Muslims. According to the State Department (under Obama), The Syrian government has bought oil directly from ISIL. Saudi Arabia and Qatar "are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL."

As for individual Muslims, 9 men in my own own town of Minneapolis have been arrested for supporting ISIS. Not a group of 9 men. Nine men sperately over the years. Many Muslims in ISIS occupied territories don't actively oppose them and embrace their schools bent on indoctrination and propaganda media.

So no. It is not wrong to call ISIS a Muslim group.

 

[Oersted]

What amazes me is how many people, on every side of the issue, just assume the apology was forced and insincere. So even though the guy who said the thing, says it was wrong to say, and that he's sorry, we have jackasses in here saying it's fine to say, and he shouldn't have apologized, and then others who refuse to even consider that he made a stupid mistake that he genuinely feels bad about.

I don't like Bill Maher much. I haven't since the 90's, when he gave us exciting new talent like Ann Coulter, and made edgy gay jokes (one of the focuses on the last anti-PC push). I think he's a not particularly funny, abrasive, asshole that occasionally points his ire at the right targets, because while he's a jerk, he's not fully insane enough to get behind the modern Republican party or Trump. Beyond that, we share little in the way of political values and policy opinions. He is basically a left-libertarian and I am a democratic socialist.

All that said, he didn't have to apologize. He rarely has in the past. It's unlikely HBO was going to can him. They knew what they were buying when they bought his show. And he didn't hedge and dodge in his apology, but rather came out and acknowledged what he did was wrong and that he was sorry.

Now, maybe he's just an insincere asshole who's laughing his ass off at people accepting his apology, or maybe he's a timid coward who allowed himself into being forced to lie about being sorry. Or maybe, just maybe, he said something really stupid and inexcusable, as people talking live sometimes do, and feels bad about it. None of us can be sure.

All I really know is that when we completely ignore the response of someone who's done something bad, it reduces the value in anyone doing the right thing after they screw up. If standing up and apologizing only convinces people you're either a liar or a coward, why would anyone ever do it? If you never leave a space for people to back up, then the only way they have is forward, off the cliff.

I'm not suggesting anyone has to forgive or forget or whatever. Just suggesting that maybe people should consider that humans are fallible, and some people legitimately make mistakes and then feel bad about them.

He is racist. And his racism normalizes people like Trump.

 

[Machina]

He is racist. And his racism normalizes people like Trump.

If you hadn't noticed, we're basically beyond the point of no return in that regard

 

[Aytumious]

People have every right to be upset with him and to not accept his apology, but I highly doubt there is much crossover between the people who won't accept the apology and the people who actually watch his show. He certainly isn't going to be fired over it.

 

[Oersted]

If you hadn't noticed, we're basically beyond the point of no return in that regard

So in need of disagreement? Yes, Trump has already happened.

What you can do now is denormalize Trump and people like him.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What amazes me is how many people, on every side of the issue, just assume the apology was forced and insincere. So even though the guy who said the thing, says it was wrong to say, and that he's sorry, we have jackasses in here saying it's fine to say, and he shouldn't have apologized, and then others who refuse to even consider that he made a stupid mistake that he genuinely feels bad about.

I don't like Bill Maher much. I haven't since the 90's, when he gave us exciting new talent like Ann Coulter, and made edgy gay jokes (one of the focuses on the last anti-PC push). I think he's a not particularly funny, abrasive, asshole that occasionally points his ire at the right targets, because while he's a jerk, he's not fully insane enough to get behind the modern Republican party or Trump. Beyond that, we share little in the way of political values and policy opinions. He is basically a left-libertarian and I am a democratic socialist.

All that said, he didn't have to apologize. He rarely has in the past. It's unlikely HBO was going to can him. They knew what they were buying when they bought his show. And he didn't hedge and dodge in his apology, but rather came out and acknowledged what he did was wrong and that he was sorry.

Now, maybe he's just an insincere asshole who's laughing his ass off at people accepting his apology, or maybe he's a timid coward who allowed himself into being forced to lie about being sorry. Or maybe, just maybe, he said something really stupid and inexcusable, as people talking live sometimes do, and feels bad about it. None of us can be sure.

All I really know is that when we completely ignore the response of someone who's done something bad, it reduces the value in anyone doing the right thing after they screw up. If standing up and apologizing only convinces people you're either a liar or a coward, why would anyone ever do it? If you never leave a space for people to back up, then the only way they have is forward, off the cliff.

I'm not suggesting anyone has to forgive or forget or whatever. Just suggesting that maybe people should consider that humans are fallible, and some people legitimately make mistakes and then feel bad about them.

I think people are questioning the sincerity of his apology because of this segment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0

 

[Whompa02]

You can't edit out something that's already well documented. Come on HBO, you're better than that. The world doesn't work like that anymore.

 

[rackham]

Personally I don't think the word should be used outside educational purposes at all- including by black people. Being black doesn't automatically make you open to other black peoples feelings. It doesn't give you leeway to use the word in any other situation than one a teacher might use but that teacher doesn't have to be black.

Also, huge difference between nigger and nigga. Here in NYC, all youths pretty much say nigga. White, Asian, Spanish, black- everyone has fucked up vocabulary here.

 

[Air]

As someone who has never liked Maher, it's nice to see the man getting kicked off his pedestal.

 

[fantomena]

Another segment of him I enjoyed: Bill Maher - George Zimmerman A Big Fat F&%#ing Liar

He is racist. And his racism normalizes people like Trump.

Have you watched his shows and interviews with him? He is not a racist. He doesn't hate muslims, he doesn't hate black people.

 

[Oersted]

Another segment of him I enjoyed: Bill Maher - George Zimmerman A Big Fat F&%#ing Liar



Have you watched his shows and interviews with him? He is not a racist. He doesn't hate muslims, he doesn't hate black people.

He is just a white guy who feels comfortable peddling racist stereotypes and saying the n-word with a hard -er.


Man even Vince McMahon has higher standards than liberals.

 

[Nostremitus]

Another segment of him I enjoyed: Bill Maher - George Zimmerman A Big Fat F&%#ing Liar



Have you watched his shows and interviews with him? He is not a racist. He doesn't hate muslims, he doesn't hate black people.

The fact the word was in his vocabulary often enough for it to slip means he uses the word quite a bit, he just did so on camera this time.

When I slip up and say fuck in front of my son it's because I use the word when he's not around. Same applies to the N word.

You can only slip up and accidentally say it if you use it enough for it to be something you could accidentally say.


You don't accidentally say words you never use.

 

[Whompa02]

He is just a white guy who feels comfortable peddling racist stereotypes and saying the n-word with a hard -er.

Man even Vince McMahon has higher standards than liberals.

What? He didn't use "er" first of all but claiming liberals have no standards is not true.

 

[Triple Dash]

Definitely a weak apology. I think he and the panel will address his big F-Up in full in this coming week's episode, assuming HBO doesn't cancel his show by then; it's still the weekend. I don't think we'll see a truly formal public statement from him until then, at least not a long written statement or a cable news appearance.

I would hope he owns this, as he often tells others to do, by knocking himself down a notch. If he doesn't, I will reconsider listening to Real Time's podcast episodes from there on out. Until then I think people's energy is better spent elsewhere given other events in the news this past week.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I am seeing liberals who are basically saying "Well I'm not offended anyway, so I'm good", not remembering that what Maher said is still very offensive to other people. And now there's a scar with yet another demographic.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

I think people are questioning the sincerity of his apology because of this segment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0

He can be both correct here and wrong in what he said Friday and sincere in his apology. Saying "we apologize too much" is not saying "no apologies are ever necessary."

He is just a white guy who feels comfortable peddling racist stereotypes and saying the n-word with a hard -er.

Man even Vince McMahon has higher standards than liberals.

What racist stereotypes is he peddling? He's an outspoken critic of Islam, not Muslims or races that traditionally practice. He's against the travel ban. He was vehemently critical of the right for being against Obama just for being a black man.

I didn't like how he seemed to agree with or at the very least acquiesce to Milo, but I don't think Bill is a racist. He said something dumb and offensive in trying to make a joke, and then owned up to it. That doesn't erase his years of railing against the (actual) racists who want to implement (actual) racist policies designed to fuck over minorities and the poor.

 

[Cyframe]

I think there's a lot of people on this thread who's never really watched his show and his views on things, using this and the Milo incident as a consensus on how he really is.

Yes, he is a smug asshole sometimes, that's actually part of the reason why I like him. How he straight up calls the GOP and republicans for evil, shitbags, idiots, assholes, "the party of stupidity", "the party that took the crazy bus and drove straight to nut town" and so much more. He also attacks Democrats, but not nearly as much. He for example wants the democrats to go more left, he want's the dems to be a socialistic party.

From all the countless of hours Ive used on watching Maher, I do not agreed with people calling him racist, neither islampohobic. He disllikes all religions, call the all intolerant and stupid, the reason he talks a lot about Islam is because that's what in the news most.

Very much still enjoy this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGM41C_MlXg

Oh, come on. Someone a few pages back linked all of the incidents he's been involved in. We've known about him since his old show got canceled, maybe even before.

What I'm sick of are liberals getting away with their racism while they attempt to call out what is seen as greater grievances by conservatives and republicans. They're all linked and contribute to microaggressions and overt racism.

I don't care how many hours you've watched Maher, he is racist and he is islamophobic. He gives a venue to people (it's his show and doesn't usually challenge them), and due to this, he's become part of the left that lectures me and other minorities. He did one segment when told minorities to focus on the real racism. It all contributes.

 

[fantomena]

he is racist and he is islamophobic. .

I disagree.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

LOL at people who are actually offended by this.

This was just a (bad) joke he did.

I don't recall people freaking out at his disgusting comments and view points on Muslims, such as comparing Palestinians to battered wives who keep clinging on to their abusive husbands..

Tons of people freaked out at his islamaphobic rants he just didn't get caught using a racist slur which is easily understood to be racist. In fact it's because of his extreme and disgusting views on Islam that I refuse his half assed apology now.

 

[Arkeband]

Definitely a weak apology. I think he and the panel will address his big F-Up in full in this coming week's episode, assuming HBO doesn't cancel his show by then; it's still the weekend. I don't think we'll see a truly formal public statement from him until then, at least not a long written statement or a cable news appearance.

I would hope he owns this, as he often tells others to do, by knocking himself down a notch. If he doesn't, I will reconsider listening to Real Time's podcast episodes from there on out. Until then I think people's energy is better spent elsewhere given other events in the news this past week.

HBO won't kill his show, he apologized without any qualifiers, even if people personally don't buy it, it's how you properly apologize. It was obviously intended to be an off the cuff joke which I think was rationalized in his head because Republicans are actually racist as fuck, but it was obviously not funny (like many of his jokes).

He will likely address it at the top of his show but I have a nagging feeling that his ego is going to want to seek a clever segue from that to his opening recap of the week by throwing out another (less shocking) racial slur, because apologies aren't funny and he's so desperate for laughs that he berates his audience.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Oh, come on. Someone a few pages back linked all of the incidents he's been involved in. We've known about him since his old show got canceled, maybe even before.

What I'm sick of are liberals getting away with their racism while they attempt to call out what is seen as greater grievances by conservatives and republicans. They're all linked and contribute to microaggressions and overt racism.

I don't care how many hours you've watched Maher, he is racist and he is islamophobic. He gives a venue to people (it's his show and doesn't usually challenge them), and due to this, he's become part of the left that lectures me and other minorities. He did one segment when told minorities to focus on the real racism. It all contributes.

Is Maher a liberal? I thought he was more of a libertarian.

Your point about liberals in general having racial issues notwithstanding.

 

[Oersted]

What? He didn't use "er" first of all but claiming liberals have no standards is not true.

You are right, I was wrong. Too many liberals lack certain standards and the ability to call out racism. Instead they are defending it, especially when it comes to black people and Islam.

 

[cartographer]

Oh, come on. Someone a few pages back linked all of the incidents he's been involved in. We've known about him since his old show got canceled, maybe even before.

What I'm sick of are liberals getting away with their racism while they attempt to call out what is seen as greater grievances by conservatives and republicans. They're all linked and contribute to microaggressions and overt racism.

I don't care how many hours you've watched Maher, he is racist and he is islamophobic. He gives a venue to people (it's his show and doesn't usually challenge them), and due to this, he's become part of the left that lectures me and other minorities. He did one segment when told minorities to focus on the real racism. It all contributes.

I wish it was all of it. Did it list the one where he said Arab men weren't civilized enough to date? That one usually doesn't make the cut.

 

[fantomena]

assuming HBO doesn't cancel his show by then

Dude, HBO hired him to do Real Time after the Politically Incorrect shitstorm.

HBO knew exactly who he was before they hired him. I will be legitimately suprised if they cancel Real Time.

 

[Jeff6851]

He's been pushing Islamophobia for years and people let it slide. It was bound to get to this point. Dude is a flaming pile of shit.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Bill Maher can piss off. Too many situations to be allowed forgiveness on this.

I'm even madder at the black men caping for him. Angela Rye sure didn't and she has been on his show a bunch.

But Dyson, Sellers, and fucking Killer Mike?

Shame on them

 

[Darryl M R]

This thread has multiple examples showing that when people say "the left is eating itself" it often means "marginalized groups are voicing their complaints and not being silent."

The MLK quote was already posted before but his words still hold so much truth. People are telling others to "get over and move on" over Bill's words. But what they need to say is "People of color get over and move on" because are voices are the loudest whenever someone says nigger.

 

[legacyzero]

I think people are questioning the sincerity of his apology because of this segment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0

I mean.... from where I'm sitting, he's not entirely wrong in this segment, apart from two dumbass stars putting on Indian costumes. Yeah that's pretty goddamn dumb.

But consider the situation we're all in politically. Yeah.

I'm not apologizing for his N-Bomb. But I also don't believe that it's automatically disengenuous when he apologizes (which he seldomly does). But I'll also say it's disengenuous to think he's being disengenuous.

I like Maher. He does dumb shit sometimes, yeah. Like aligning with Milo on Bathroom laws. Still scratching my head on that one, but then again, Inloved it when he made Tomi Lahren look like the dumb fuck she is. Also Anne Coulter.

But then again, he can be agreeable more than he isn't. That's ok. Is it ok for him to say racist shit? Absolutely not. Is it ok that he criticize bad ideas and opens discussion, yes to even expose those bad ideas I.E. Milo, then I think it should be on the table. You can't be critical of ideas until you know what they are.

 

[Vixdean]

Dunno about the rest of you, but I giggle every time someone says Maher is "racist" against Muslims.

 

[biggersmaller]

Bill Maher can piss off. Too many situations to be allowed forgiveness on this.

I'm even madder at the black men caping for him. Angela Rye sure didn't and she has been on his show a bunch.

But Dyson, Sellers, and fucking Killer Mike?

Shame on them

Feel free to shit on Maher and think he's an arrogant ass, but "shame" on Rye, Dyson, Sellers, and Killer Mike? This has had such an personal impact that you are angry at some of the most positively influential and liberal African Americans for just backing Maher on this? Maybe they maturely interpreted the context of that shitty joke as not being racially demeaning or a personal attack - rather a bad joke directed at Maher himself?

 

[Cyframe]

I disagree.

What do you think racism is? Here the post in this very thread that highlights a few of Maher's racist actions.

Tell me why I should find it acceptable to see white people in blackface for Halloween because that's what Bill talked about in a few of his segments actually. That it's a non-issue. Even though we have a history that shows media depictions of Black people influenced how they view African Americans. It's a relic and because I find blackface distasteful, doesn't mean I can't focus on crimes like Eric Garner's murder on cam. Why does Bill get to have some authority over me, a Black male who deals with anti-blackness while he doesn't. He speaks from a place of privilege, even if he is an atheist.

This so called diet racism is a distinction I'll no longer make. Liberals still brought up
Bill o'reilly's trip to Sylvia's years later but all too often dismiss comments from Maher. I see him as racist, he might not be donning a KKK robe but his inability to reflect and learn is abysmal.

Is Maher a liberal? I thought he was more of a libertarian.

Your point about liberals in general having racial issues notwithstanding.

Either or he claims to be against conservatives and republicans.

I wish it was all of it. Did it list the one where he said Arab men weren't civilized enough to date? That one usually doesn't make the cut.

It mentions Zayn Mailk. I linked the post at the top.

 

[RoninChaos]

Oh, come on. Someone a few pages back linked all of the incidents he's been involved in. We've known about him since his old show got canceled, maybe even before.

What I'm sick of are liberals getting away with their racism while they attempt to call out what is seen as greater grievances by conservatives and republicans. They're all linked and contribute to microaggressions and overt racism.

I don't care how many hours you've watched Maher, he is racist and he is islamophobic. He gives a venue to people (it's his show and doesn't usually challenge them), and due to this, he's become part of the left that lectures me and other minorities. He did one segment when told minorities to focus on the real racism. It all contributes.

Bill Maher doesn't challenge people on his show? Lol okay.

That milo incident was stupid as I would have expected more pushback. I watched the show and the part of that gif that isn't there is when he says "is that true?" He was completely unprepared for that comment from Milo and Milo got banged on by the whole panel for his ideas. Larry Wilmore even told him to go fuck himself on overtime. Saying bill maher doesn't challenge his guests is nonsense. Did you see what he did to Jeffrey Lorde? Or Tomi Lahren?

 

[legacyzero]

Dunno about the rest of you, but I giggle every time someone says Maher is "racist" against Muslims.

Or Islamophobic for that matter. It's one thing to hate a person for BEING Muslim (Like Trumps Muslim Ban) but it's another to criticize shitty ideas within Islam. I'm looking at you, Saudi Arabia, for example.

Hell, we criticize Christianity here all the fucking time for its shitty ideas. Mike Pence or people like Ted Cruz would even further marginalized and allow discrimination against the LGBT and female rights if they had their way. And many evangelical voters vote Republican BECAUSE OF shit like that, even though their SS and other entitlements would be directly attacked, much like now.

It's all so bonkers to me.

I'd be killed in the streets of Saudi Arabia simply for being an Agnostic.

Feel free to shit on Maher and think he's an arrogant ass, but "shame" on Rye, Dyson, Sellers, and Killer Mike? This has had such an personal impact that you are angry at some of the most positively influential and liberal African Americans for just backing Maher on this? Maybe they maturely interpreted the context of that shitty joke as not being racially demeaning or a personal attack - rather a bad joke directed at Maher himself?

Killer Mike also wasn't too popular here in 2015/2016 as well.

Bill Maher doesn't challenge people on his show? Lol okay.

That milo incident was stupid as I would have expected more pushback. I watched the show and the part of that gif that isn't there is when he says "is that true?" He was completely unprepared for that comment from Milo and Milo got banged on by the whole panel for his ideas. Larry Wilmore even told him to go fuck himself on overtime. Saying bill maher doesn't challenge his guests is nonsense. Did you see what he did to Jeffrey Lorde? Or Tomi Lahren?

This.

Even if Bill didn't push Milo nearly as much as I wanted, I still left that episode thoroughly satisfied that it provided a platform for Larry fucking Wilmore to nuke his ass. It was worth it IMO

 

[BadAss2961]

The fact the word was in his vocabulary often enough for it to slip means he uses the word quite a bit, he just did so on camera this time.

When I slip up and say fuck in front of my son it's because I use the word when he's not around. Same applies to the N word.

You can only slip up and accidentally say it if you use it enough for it to be something you could accidentally say.


You don't accidentally say words you never use.

It wasn't a slip though. It was a layup joke and he took it.

Republicans have a race problem. Combine that with one saying he'd like to see you working in the fields, and it's not a stretch for one's mind to go to slavery. My mind also went there the way he said it. The audience caught it too and was already laughing when Bill repeated him before dropping the n-word.

 

[cartographer]

So how many Liberal Points do you have to accrue to get people to cape for your bigotry? What's the white person multiplier?

So Maher gets +100 for the Bush jokes, +150 for Trump jokes, +80 for climate change and another +30 for just being a good guy? So if the white person multiplier is 40 then we got a Liberal Points total of 14,400.

Oh, but he's a bigot? -1 point, not subject to the white person multiplier. New Liberal Points total of 14,399.

 

[slit]

Bill Maher can piss off. Too many situations to be allowed forgiveness on this.

I'm even madder at the black men caping for him. Angela Rye sure didn't and she has been on his show a bunch.

But Dyson, Sellers, and fucking Killer Mike?

Shame on them

Oh? They have to be as outraged as you and as non forgiving or shame on them? You can hate Bill Maher and not accept his apology but to say everyone else has to see it that way is completely close minded and arrogant of you.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Or Islamophobic for that matter. It's one thing to hate a person for BEING Muslim (Like Trumps Muslim Ban) but it's another to criticize shitty ideas within Islam.

Talk to women who have ever dated an Arab man. The reviews are not good.

Such a fair-minded criticism of Islam's shitty ideas.

 

[legacyzero]

So how many Liberal Points do you have to accrue to get people to cape for your bigotry? What's the white person multiplier?

So Maher gets +100 for the Bush jokes, +150 for Trump jokes, +80 for climate change and another +30 for just being a good guy? So if the white person multiplier is 40 then we got a Liberal Points total of 14,400.

Oh, but he's a bigot? -1 point, not subject to the white person multiplier. New Liberal Points total of 14,399.

I don't think it's that drastic. I'm surprised Maher didn't get canned- and off to podcast-vile with Bill O Reilly. But calling him a bigot??? That feels like a reach to me, even with his criticisms of Islam (and all religion for that matter.)

Again, stack him up against TRULY shitty people like those at Fox News who are losing/lost THEIR spotlight for being genuinely shitty fucking people. I'm not so sure Bill fits in that camp. I also don't see people threatening to cancel that HBO subscriptions on a large scale because of it.

 

[lightskintwin]

Bill Maher can piss off. Too many situations to be allowed forgiveness on this.

I'm even madder at the black men caping for him. Angela Rye sure didn't and she has been on his show a bunch.

But Dyson, Sellers, and fucking Killer Mike?

Shame on them

So I'm caping for Bill Maher, if I'm not outraged by his poor attempt at a joke using the N-word, accepting him acknowledging how bad it was and his apology, and moving on?

Shame on Me?

 

[Scrooged]

So how many Liberal Points do you have to accrue to get people to cape for your bigotry? What's the white person multiplier?

So Maher gets +100 for the Bush jokes, +150 for Trump jokes, +80 for climate change and another +30 for just being a good guy? So if the white person multiplier is 40 then we got a Liberal Points total of 14,400.

Oh, but he's a bigot? -1 point, not subject to the white person multiplier. New Liberal Points total of 14,399.

Reducing nuance to this silliness is ridiculous. The kind of purity tests so many here want to give traditional liberals is fueling the far right and alienating the moderate left. Trying to control everyone's words and throwing the baby out with the bathwater when they fuck up is not a way forward.

 

[deli2000]

Reducing nuance to this silliness is ridiculous. The kind of purity tests so many here want to give traditional liberals is fueling the far right and alienating the moderate left. Trying to control everyone's words and throwing the baby out with the bathwater when they fuck up is not a way forward.

Ah yes, the well known n-word purity test. Stopping people from saying the n-word is sending people to the far right.

 

[legacyzero]

Reducing nuance to this silliness is ridiculous. The kind of purity tests so many here want to give traditional liberals is fueling the far right and alienating the moderate left. Trying to control everyone's words and throwing the baby out with the bathwater when they fuck up is not a way forward.

Hadn't you heard? Purity tests are ok for all. Unless it's a political candidate for President or Congress.

Ah yes, the well known n-word purity test. Stopping people from saying the n-word is sending people to the far right.

The problem is wanting them to endure some harsh fate of obscurity. Get their heads!! Even after they owned and apologized for it, because nobody can be genuine about it.

And look, I know it's hard to believe an apology after so many have tried the same, and came across and "SORRY NOT SORRY". So that makes sense. But I just don't know if it's the same thing as say, when a Fox News pundit pulls that shit.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Reducing nuance to this silliness is ridiculous. The kind of purity tests so many here want to give traditional liberals is fueling the far right and alienating the moderate left. Trying to control everyone's words and throwing the baby out with the bathwater when they fuck up is not a way forward.

Or hear me out he should have enough sense to not go on tv and call himself a house nigger. It's a racist slur and it amazes me how people can tell me as a black person not to get mad about it. If the moderate left means "it's ok if we use that word we identify as liberal" then they are no ally of mine.

 

[legacyzero]

Or here me out he should have enough sense to not go on tv and call yourself a house nigger. It's a racist slur and it amazes me how people can tell me as a black person not to get mad about it. If the moderate left means "it's ok if we use that word we identify as liberal" then they are no ally of mine.

I don't think anybody is saying that. You absolutely should be. What I myself am saying is it's ok to show some acceptance of the apology. Bill knows the hot water he's in. And I'm sure HBO grilled his ass over it.

 

[Deepwater]

Hadn't you heard? Purity tests are ok for all. Unless it's a political candidate for President or Congress.

The problem is wanting them to endure some harsh fate of obscurity. Get their heads!! Even after they owned and apologized for it, because nobody can be genuine about it.

And look, I know it's hard to believe an apology after so many have tried the same, and came across and "SORRY NOT SORRY". So that makes sense. But I just don't know if it's the same thing as say, when a Fox News pundit pulls that shit.

who could imagine that black people would not wish well for white people who use nigger frivolously.

who could imagine that an apology about using the word is taken with a grain of salt.

 

[legacyzero]

who could imagine that black people would not wish well for white people who use nigger frivolously.

who could imagine that an apology about using the word is taken with a grain of salt.

You're right, and I said as much in the post above yours. I said as much in the post you quoted.

 

[Cyframe]

Bill Maher doesn't challenge people on his show? Lol okay.

That milo incident was stupid as I would have expected more pushback. I watched the show and the part of that gif that isn't there is when he says "is that true?" He was completely unprepared for that comment from Milo and Milo got banged on by the whole panel for his ideas. Larry Wilmore even told him to go fuck himself on overtime. Saying bill maher doesn't challenge his guests is nonsense. Did you see what he did to Jeffrey Lorde? Or Tomi Lahren?

I watched Kellyanne Conway do an interview with him via satellite and she completely talked over him. He threw in a couple things here and there but largely she was able to use his venue as she wished. The Milo incident was unacceptable because walking in unprepared to that interview painted a notion that liberals and minorities are too afraid to face Milo in an open forum even though, including on this site, Milo violated Title IX protections by specifically targeting a trans woman causing her to leave her school. It took pedophilia until people stopped defending Milo. That's nuts.

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I'm a Black person who deals with anti-black racism and when I say I don't like x about a certain celebrity I'm forced into going through their entire resume but no one asks, how was your experience with racism throughout your life? Where is my benefit? My thoughts are called purity tests and eating the left.

The climate of certain instances of racism being excused has to lead to a lot of minorities having a no-nonsense approach to this topic. The use of the n-word isn't a sneeze to me. And no one has to beg on their knees for messing up but apologizing, and meaning it is what I would at least expect. I didn't really see that from Bill here.

 

[deli2000]

Hadn't you heard? Purity tests are ok for all. Unless it's a political candidate for President or Congress.

The problem is wanting them to endure some harsh fate of obscurity. Get their heads!! Even after they owned and apologized for it, because nobody can be genuine about it.

And look, I know it's hard to believe an apology after so many have tried the same, and came across and "SORRY NOT SORRY". So that makes sense. But I just don't know if it's the same thing as say, when a Fox News pundit pulls that shit.

Empathy goes both ways, don't label detractors as hysterical zealots and then try and call people out on lacking empathy.

 

[Deepwater]

You're right, and I said as much in the post above yours. I said as much in the post you quoted.

and your idea that because he's not a fox news anchor means shit to me as a black person is fallacious. Don't presume to prioritize the type of racists for us. You see a difference because you identify with Maher and not with the Fox News anchor.

Me? I see no difference

 

[legacyzero]

and your idea that because he's not a fox news anchor means shit to me as a black person is fallacious. Don't presume to prioritize the type of racists for us. You see a difference because you identify with Maher and not with the Fox News anchor.

Me? I see no difference

That's fair. And yeah frivolous use of the word has no difference.

But please, educate me- a privileged white male: does intent not matter? Does it not carry any weight?