Demos: People Who Say Society Is Too PC Tend Not To Have Experienced Discrimination
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I kinda had an epiphany about these alt-right anti-pc dudes and I think that they wanna have some sort of struggle to have an identity. They see minority groups who bond and form identities stemming from their struggles and they want that for themselves. I think this data no matter how fucking obvious supports what I'm thinking here.
LinkAndEpona
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But what about minorities who say society is too PC? Are we just lucky or have thick skin or something? Don't forget that ridiculous concepts like 'microagressions' exist too.
Mr.Shrugglesã
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Pretty sure the whole word "demographics" would have fit in the title.
unpopularblargh
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Demos is the research group.Mr.Shrugglesツ;239088168 said:
Mr.Shrugglesã
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There's definitely enough room in my mouth for my foot!
Adding one to your earlier point. Antipc= bigotry is just a political point of view.
Experiences will differ regardless. Just because someones a minority doesn't mean they won't have privileges that help them form opinions on society being too "PC".
I will say there are times when folks are oversensitive and sensationalize certain things, looking for outrage for the smallest little off-hand comment or making an issue out of nothing. It's a thing that exists and is happening more and more, ends up negatively effecting the sentiment when people are raising their voices about actual issues.
But still, that is just a drop in the ocean when compared to the actual amount of outright racist/bigoted/ignorant/offensive/discriminatory stuff out there.
But still, that is just a drop in the ocean when compared to the actual amount of outright racist/bigoted/ignorant/offensive/discriminatory stuff out there.
But 'microaggression' is an actual concept, and some would argue one of the main ways bigotry makes itself felt today.
We're no longer in the days of people proudly riding down the street in klan garb
A white gay person can say society is too PC because he can't say the n word.
a cis man can say society is too PC because he can't say shitty things about trans people
a rich trans woman can say society is too PC because she can't say shit to poor people
LinkAndEpona
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Quite true and the thankfully so as well.
However we're in age that wearing something, not native to you, not even in a mocking manner, is considered 'cultural appropriation' and therefore is considered wrong and even offensive.
If you know this, how can someone wear it in a non mocking way ?
"hey kid the wire gives you an eletrick shock"
*kid puts finger in wire*
"why did it huuuurrt ???"
TissueBox
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For me being 'too' much of anything is a problem. No matter what side you take, the best thing you could do when truly advocating for the betterment of the tenets of contemporary first-world culture is express open-mindedness, tolerance, and transparency, particularly with respect to yourself and your agenda. At the end of the day, balance is the glue that will hold the poles together.
That kind of thing happens for a very specific reason though.
A young black girl gets in trouble at her mostly white private school because she decides to wear box braids one day because it violates their dress code, and then she sees a white pop star winning awards and being heralded as a feminist icon while wearing the same hairstyle. What kind of message do you think she's receiving? That's just one tiny example. Society can't demand that different incoming groups assimilate, then turn around and start co-opting those groups cultures and traditions and not expect resistance.
LinkAndEpona
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I appreciate the response but it's not quite what I am referring to. A strict dress code from a strict private school isn't the same as saying something like a white women should be barred from wearing a saree or a kimono, especially if it is to something like a publicly hosted cultural event
Somebody on the internet or at a protest saying a white woman shouldn't wear a kimono is actually significantly less problematic than an established infrastructure designed to enforce cultural assimilation while hypocritically encouraging borrowing from other cultures. You're worried about the wrong thing is my point.
You're muddying the waters here quite a bit by proposing that cultural appropriation and microaggressions are the same thing. Which do you want to discuss?
Exploratory
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Haha. I'm shocked. Shocked. Well not that shocked.
NHarmonic.
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It's a sad state of the world when most people can't feel empathy even for people that suffer right next to them.
I think what I'm trying to say when I talk about people being hyper aggressive is the tshouting combative in a discussion instead on curious. Essentially, looking for reasons and flaws in the person because of ideas they may not have communicated in the best way. Theres a lot of that in this board
That's why I said I don't know if this relates to being PC or not, as it's more about how you engage with someone during a specific type of situation. All that said, I don't disagree with the core premise of the study at all.
EdibleKnife
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In essence, pretty much the statement of the study ain action.
Kai Dracon
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Some people within a minority also attempt to achieve safety through assimilation, trying to overcome their minority status by pandering to the prejudices of the majority. Which includes agreeing that the very group they're a part of is "uppity" and society is too "politically correct" about them.
See: log cabin republicans, who act like the white conservative stereotype of "acceptable" gays in order to gain approval and distance themselves from other LGBT persons.
WrenchNinja
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Unsurprising.
Thanks for posting this.
Thanks for posting this.
matt360
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I guess I'm an outlier here. I'm 35 years old, a staunch liberal, I despise Trump, I am American but I've lived most of my adult life in Japan and have faced discrimination here (nothing to write home about), and I think black folks in the states are treated unforgivably unfair, yet I STILL think people nowadays are way too PC.
Maybe my definition of PC is not the same, but I do think most (not all) callouts of cultural appropriation are bullshit, I think comedians should be able to say pretty much whatever they want to say and not have to worry about being blacklisted, I think things like the Colin Moriarty incident were blown WAY out of proportion, etc. I do believe outrage culture is a real thing, and I despise the liberal mob mentality that happens online (even here on GAF) almost as much as I despise Trump.
Maybe my definition of PC is not the same, but I do think most (not all) callouts of cultural appropriation are bullshit, I think comedians should be able to say pretty much whatever they want to say and not have to worry about being blacklisted, I think things like the Colin Moriarty incident were blown WAY out of proportion, etc. I do believe outrage culture is a real thing, and I despise the liberal mob mentality that happens online (even here on GAF) almost as much as I despise Trump.
Goose_Se7en
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People nowadays ARE way too PC, no ifs ands or buts about it. 62 million folks believed it too be true as well amongst other factors and delivered the presidency to the most diastrous candidate in history.
Someone, somewhere will always find something to complain about or feel offended about, then they'll go after your livelihood.
Someone, somewhere will always find something to complain about or feel offended about, then they'll go after your livelihood.
Psychoward
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...what
benjipwns
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To be clear: It's not a study. It's a blog post where two people made graphs out of poll responses and wrote about them and linked to some other stuff including a mailto: link.
They'd have to run a correlation at minimum I think. Except the variables in the ANES aren't setup for it.
Nor surprising but sometimes obvious shit like this needs data to back it.
That poster's comments make more sense when you keep in mind that he's a fan of Colin Moriarty, Palmer Luckey and Peter Thiel. Basically, keep in mind that he's totally cool with free speech but hates the idea that you have to face an consequences for what positions you choose to endorse.
Arkage
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There are quite a few objective examples of PC culture run amok in stupid ways. Unfortunately those fringe cases are the ones that get the press and publicity and debate, becoming the face of "PC culture." Never mind all the virtue signaling that both the left and right feel the need to do when jumping onto a side for these controversial cases.
RedHoodedOwl
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This is surprising news?
Psychoward
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No I literally don't understand what he was trying to say.
IrishNinja
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but killer mike said
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
What if you're like me who grew up Greek in Australia and experienced discrimination but also thinks the world is way too PC?
bitbydeath
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I'm a Kiwi in Australia that experienced many sheep shagger jokes among other things and I agree with you about the world being too PC.
That said, I think the US culture is quite different than that of ours as I've found my views often differ from theirs which has resulted in me being banned twice for explaining them.
Fuck Killer Mike
excelsiorlef
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Notice the headline says tend.
Evening Musuko
Black Korea
It's pretty damn sad that people have to say they're not being a "SJW" when they want people to feel comfortable. I thought that was called having "decency" and "social skills".
kitsunelaine
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"Water is wet."
"Yeah, have you got a study for that?"
Studies show: Water is Wet
"Yeah, well what about the methodology behind the study, huh?!"
"Yeah, have you got a study for that?"
Studies show: Water is Wet
"Yeah, well what about the methodology behind the study, huh?!"
IrishNinja
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yeah, his anti-PC shit makes me agree here
which sucks, you know? that reagan track & a few others on R.A.P. had me thinking we might start to have more people fill that Ice Cube lane, but here we are
i dunno, get some perspective maybe
IrishNinja
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disagree; it's a huge flag that, when used as a pejorative (i.e., 90% of the time) the user is a huge d-bag whose views likely amount to sweet fuckall
excelsiorlef
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Right but that's because it's a meaningless term that's just a catch all for people who care about things.
sturgboski
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Where does economic anxiety factor into this?
Morrigan Stark
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The worst that can happen from "liberal mob mentality" is maybe an individual gets unfairly harassed.
The worst that can happen from Trump is minorities getting fucked over, women losing access to important healthcare facilities, millions of people actually losing their entire health insurance, education standards getting set back decades, billions spent on useless shit like a wall, climate change becoming irreversible, and WW3 starting.
But sure, they're almost as bad. Priorities and all that.
SentientStone
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My only major turn off is seeing the casual use of "cunt" on this forum, and how that word has turned into somewhat more toxic than something gender neutral like "asshole".
Still very basic things in the language that most people tend to not think about, again I am not a very PC person, and I always feel that because my heart is in the right place I can use words in ways that are progressive to the topic instead of suppressing it.
Still very basic things in the language that most people tend to not think about, again I am not a very PC person, and I always feel that because my heart is in the right place I can use words in ways that are progressive to the topic instead of suppressing it.
matt360
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Not true. Individuals have lost their jobs because of PC culture and knee-jerk reactions from liberals. But your point is taken and I concede that my wording was poor. I honestly don't believe that the two are really on the same level. Trump is clearly worse, and I fully admit to that. The mob mentality thing that is mostly done by liberals is more of a personal pet peeve. I think it's good to be mad and good to fight for positive change, and that does happen. But more often than not, at least on the internet, it's just someone who wants to be seen pretending that they care, and that's what pisses me off. And that is absolutely a real thing.