Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]

Loved it. Best of the new DC films by far.

Only thing I didn't like was some her apparent new powers on display near the end (force field and lightening catch and release) and some weird editing.
 
Pilgrimzero said:
Loved it. Best of the new DC films by far.

Only thing I didn't like was some her apparent new powers on display near the end (force field and lightening catch and release) and some weird editing.
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There were one or two transitions between scenes where the editing felt kinda curious...but not in too bad a way. If anyone has read a comic book by Christopher Priest (Black Panther, Deathstroke among many others), he tends to use subtitles in some panels to basically hurry the scene along...so in some movies or comics they will travel from A to B, and there will be a scene of them inbetween their origin and destination...

This movie didn't have a lot of those "filler" scenes and felt a little expedited, which was fine from a pacing PoV but did have a couple of scenes - like them arriving in europe then meeting up with Chief like 2 scenes later - feel a bit rushed.
 
Solid movie. Gal was wonderful and it made me wish Supes was handled the same way as Diana was in this movie. Chris Pine is always fun. The Diana and Steve dynamic was adorable. Wish the supporting soldiers were more memorable.

I called Ares as that one dude right away, Danny Huston was too mustache twirling and straight forward to be Ares. Plus, why would he need strength enhancing gas if he was a god. Also I thought he looked kinda weird at the end, like his helmet seemed a bit small.

So "killing" Ares makes everyone friends now? Like they were shooting each other one minute and hugging each other the second he dies. The last act was probably my least favorite part of the movie, it just devolved into every other comic book movie CG fest. However I am always a huge sucker for the "yea humans are pretty shitty, but have the capacity for good" type stories.

Who else thought Steve was going to dive bomb his plane into an icy arctic ocean?
I came around on the electric cello theme by the end of the movie. Hated it in BvS and the trailers. It helps that it swells to it instead of just blaring it at me.

Man I sure hope JL keeps the momentum.
 
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Wrong beach to mess with.
 
One super nitpicky thing that's actually bothered me across all Wonder Woman media: Themiscrya being stuck in time.

You mean to tell me these women have been left unbothered on their island for thousands of years and have made no scientific advancements? I hope the next movie goes deeper into how they've changed over time. Or at least, gives them armor that can stand up to gunfire.
 
ReiGun said:
One super nitpicky thing that's actually bothered me across all Wonder Woman media: Themiscrya being stuck in time.

You mean to tell me these women have been left unbothered on their island for thousands of years and have made no scientific advancements? I hope the next movie goes deeper into how they've changed over time. Or at least, gives them armor that can stand up to gunfire.
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There is one detail from the cinematography about how to light scenes without resorting to candles and such. Seems Themyscira has advanced tech using water, and why you have glowing water as a light sources. It'd be nice to explore more of their culture. But I get why for the movie, they didn't want to spend too much time on the island.
 
ReiGun said:
One super nitpicky thing that's actually bothered me across all Wonder Woman media: Themiscrya being stuck in time.

You mean to tell me these women have been left unbothered on their island for thousands of years and have made no scientific advancements? I hope the next movie goes deeper into how they've changed over time. Or at least, gives them armor that can stand up to gunfire.
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Well, to be fair, that actually WAS the case with Themyscira in the pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths continuity, before they rebooted everything. The Amazons had some pretty advanced tech, like the invisible plane that everyone jeers at, and the "purple ray" that granted super powers, and was how Wonder Girl originally got her abilities.

Once they decided to clean house at DC with the Crisis On Infinite Earths event during the 80s, that was supposed to straighten everything out, they handed Wonder Woman over to George Perez, and he decided to ditch all the tech stuff and just go in full throttle with the mythological aspect.

So it was there at one point, but people didn't like it, so they ditched it.
 
Orochinagis said:
And not a single Destroyer was involved in the battle, they magically dissapeared
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I'd have to go and watch the movie again, but I they may have addressed this visually. I thought in the background as the launch boats were approaching, you could see the cruisers had actually started sinking. If I didn't totally imagine that, I think the implication was anything that's capital ship size gets taken out by the magical force field.
 
broncobuster said:
There is one detail from the cinematography about how to light scenes without resorting to candles and such. Seems Themyscira has advanced tech using water, and why you have glowing water as a light sources. It'd be nice to explore more of their culture. But I get why for the movie, they didn't want to spend too much time on the island.
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Yeah, in this movie I get it. We weren't supposed to have a ton of time there. But the idea that the Amazons didn't advance at all in their medicine or tech is just annoying. Hopefully the sequels explore this more.

Shoeless said:
Well, to be fair, that actually WAS the case with Themyscira in the pre-Crisis On Infinite Earths continuity, before they rebooted everything. The Amazons had some pretty advanced tech, like the invisible plane that everyone jeers at, and the "purple ray" that granted super powers, and was how Wonder Girl originally got her abilities.

Once they decided to clean house at DC with the Crisis On Infinite Earths event during the 80s, that was supposed to straighten everything out, they handed Wonder Woman over to George Perez, and he decided to ditch all the tech stuff and just go in full throttle with the mythological aspect.

So it was there at one point, but people didn't like it, so they ditched it.
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I know and that's why it irritates me so much. The question of "what would a world of women unhindered by patriarchy look like?" is super interesting and it's a shame so few see the potential in it.

It's the same idea that drives Wakanda - subbing "women" and "patriarchy" for "African" and "western colonialism" - and that's one of the more interesting locations in the Marvel Universe. No reason Themiscrya shouldn't be the same.

So far, the only modern interpretation to do anything like that was Morrison's "Wonder Woman: Earth One."
 
Shoeless said:
I'd have to go and watch the movie again, but I they may have addressed this visually. I thought in the background as the launch boats were approaching, you could see the cruisers had actually started sinking. If I didn't totally imagine that, I think the implication was anything that's capital ship size gets taken out by the magical force field.
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No, you're correct. In the background you can see one of the giant cruisers tilted to one side and out of commission. I have no idea how it got like that, but it was definitely not going anywhere.
 
pestul said:
Well that is a good point.. did the destroyer just flee after guys on the beach were defeated?
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I suppose from their perspective, a bunch of smaller boats disappear into a fog and never reemerge. Do you send destroyers into the unknown when you've lost everyone else you sent in?
 
Very enjoyable film, by a huge margin the best of the DCEU films so far. I understand the need for an action climax but I'm not really sure the climactic fight with Ares was needed, especially as it sort of undermined the "One person can't be the cause for a war" part of the story.

Still, this was exactly what the franchise needed, and proves the MCU method of doing solo origin films first works. This compared to the overstuffed half-in half-out crossover mess that was BvS, a film that tried to be everything at once, was night and day.

It really should have been a MoS sequel, a solo Batman film, and the solo Wonder Woman film. Kudos to everyone involved with making this one, they did a great job, and I can see finally why they cast Gadot in the part. Sometimes they just miscast, other times they see something the general audience doesn't at first, in this case the latter.
 
ReiGun said:
One super nitpicky thing that's actually bothered me across all Wonder Woman media: Themiscrya being stuck in time.

You mean to tell me these women have been left unbothered on their island for thousands of years and have made no scientific advancements? I hope the next movie goes deeper into how they've changed over time. Or at least, gives them armor that can stand up to gunfire.
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I could list a full page of civilizations that didn't suddenly develop those advancements over thousands of years, and those still had trade with the outside world. The amazons were magically isolated. Really wierd criticism.
 
Most civilizations that have remained stagnant have the burden of survival slowing their progress.

The Amazonians had hundreds of years of unfettered peace, seemingly. You'd think they'd have made innovations in weaponry and armour. Hell, even just a crossbow, or trebuchet.
 
elrechazado said:
I could list a full page of civilizations that didn't suddenly develop those advancements over thousands of years, and those still had trade with the outside world. The amazons were magically isolated. Really wierd criticism.
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Fair enough, but like I said upthread, the original concepts for the Amazons were that they did advance as a civilization. I'm more bothered that they changed from that in most modern interpretations of the characters than needing it to parallel real life. Again, think Marvel's Wakanda.
 
ReiGun said:
Fair enough, but like I said upthread, the original concepts for the Amazons were that they did advance as a civilization. I'm more bothered that they changed from that in most modern interpretations of the characters than needing it to parallel real life. Again, think Marvel's Wakanda.
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I liked that it allowed for the fish out of water story we got, but they could have made the modern thing work in a completely different type of story.
 
TDLink said:
Having Ares shows up undermines her character development and realization that she was naive and wrong. Instead it's barely a beat, even though the whole film was leading to it, and she was really right because Ares does show up and then she defeats him, and the war ends. And that's a lot less satisfying.
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Except Ares literally tells her what's she found out about humanity is true. That he's not some mastermind of humanity pulling the strings. And his plan was to show her that, and recruit her against that evil.

The war doesn't end, the armistice is signed and last battle is over. Ares was still partially right, because we know it leads to WWII. But in the end Diana put her faith in goodness humanity had to offer.
 
TyrantII said:
The war doesn't end, the armistice is signed and last battle is over. Ares was still partially right, because we know it leads to WWII. But in the end Diana put her faith in goodness humanity had to offer.
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It's a powerful idea, and commits Diana to playing "the long game" as far as helping steer humanity's course towards a more compassionate culture.
 
Just got back from watching it and I really enjoyed it. Even the last act. Gal Gadot was a great lead and may be the most attractive woman I have ever seen
 
Shoeless said:
I'd have to go and watch the movie again, but I they may have addressed this visually. I thought in the background as the launch boats were approaching, you could see the cruisers had actually started sinking. If I didn't totally imagine that, I think the implication was anything that's capital ship size gets taken out by the magical force field.
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pestul said:
Well that is a good point.. did the destroyer just flee after guys on the beach were defeated?
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elrechazado said:
They were sinking clearly in multiple shots
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Just one destroyer was sinking on screen in different angles the other ships dissapeared or never tried to fight back, the amazons forget about the incident for the sake of the movie pacing, Steve was the only male survivor so far.

Ares not powering up because of conflict was weird he was just pasive letting humanity to kill themselves
 
I love how Patty didn't fall for the "gotta put a joke in serious moments" thing a lot of movies do nowadays. You actually care for the characters more because she lets them be vulnerable.

Ares was dope. He clearly knew he had to do little and humanity would tear itself apart. Why appear and kill everyone when he could just give a few folks a small nudge and they'll do it themselves?

Orochinagis said:
Ares not powering up because of conflict was weird he was just pasive letting humanity to kill themselves
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He wasn't passive. He was nudging humanity towards killing themselves. He has no reason to directly intervene and start conquering things because he knows full well they're going to do it with or without him.

He doesn't need to power up. That's not the purpose of his existence in this movie.
 
I was gonna give a pass to this movie like i did with pretty much any solo superman moie since i founds both superheroes incredibly boring..but with the glowing reviews i might check it out.
 
TyrantII said:
Except Ares literally tells her what's she found out about humanity is true. That he's not some mastermind of humanity pulling the strings. And his plan was to show her that, and recruit her against that evil.

The war doesn't end, the armistice is signed and last battle is over. Ares was still partially right, because we know it leads to WWII. But in the end Diana put her faith in goodness humanity had to offer.
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Yeah, I'm glad he said that, but we still see Germans take off their masks in a kind of "it's over" way after Ares dies. It was a bit of a mixed message.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
Yeah, I'm glad he said that, but we still see Germans take off their masks in a kind of "it's over" way after Ares dies. It was a bit of a mixed message.
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That's purposely ambiguous just to show how flawed humanity is: one moment they could be killing each other and the next hugging each other. It shows hope, not that Ares influenced them.

Ares may or may not be able to control people. It's never truly said. Humanity was violent and Ares is only showing Diana and the Pantheon that they're corrupt, evil things. Diana believes Ares can do all this but she or the audience is never told, you're just to assume he's this evil God able to control and influence folks to do his bidding but in reality he's just a God who wants to showcase how shitty humanity is.
 
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Ares is literally the antithetical embodiment of that view in the third act, and the one Diana grows to counter. Humanity has free will and all it takes is one little push to set them over the cliff of their own doing. Very TDK Joker esque when you think about it.
 
Accidently posted this in the Box office thread. I'm a dummy

I liked the movie, didnt love it. I felt like it lacked the things I liked about Man Of Steel, (my favorite super hero movie, yea I know I'm in the minority) and BVS. I'm not sure if was the "political" aspect being watered down or something else. I'll give it another watch when it hits Blu Ray to see if I like it more on a second viewing.
 
What they should've done was have the Germans take their helmets off, thankful that it's all over, and then Diana kills them because this is now Injustice 2 and she's a fuckin' dick
 
Just left the cinema...
Can't believe DC finally did it. After a series of debacles, they outdid Marvel at every turn. The action was incredible, such intensity and physicality in the fight scenes. That knee through the window almost took the breath out of me. The pacing was spot on, with sections of relative calm punctuated by the abovementioned action without becoming long-winded and boring. Casting of Diana in particular was brilliant, Gal Gadot is not only one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen, she also carried the role with such poise that I almost had to laugh at how none of the other Amazons (don't get me started on Carrie Underwood...) could begin to match her. She even managed to say "I believe in love" without a single laugh from the audience. That's something alright. The villain surprise was very well executed, I didn't see it coming. I loved how they managed to subvert the classical superhero tropes, with Diana's melodramatic killing of the bad guy followed by... nothing. Just a profound sense of loss. But above all I think they nailed her character development, and managed to make her relationship to Steve genuinely endearing and heartfelt. They didn't force a joke or sarcastic comment at every turn, and the movie is better for it. I was actually emotional at the end.

DC, I applaud you. Well done. I've watched every Marvel movie, but somehow you managed to make my favorite superhero movie of all time. Now why don't you go and make all your other movies this good?
 
zero_suit said:
You knew it was going to happen.
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I know but it still hurt.
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WB needs to ditch Snyder and give Patty Jenkins reigns to the DCEU. Wonder Woman is better than any non-Nolan DC movie by several orders of magnitude. It even retroactively makes Wonder Woman's fight against Doomsday pretty hype.
 
Just got back. Really loved it. I hope this is a sign for future DC films. There were a lot of scenes I really loved, but one moment stood out for me.

The scene where Diana eats ice cream for the first time. It was so simple and in the grand scheme, not of any consequence. But it showed the softer side of Diana and showed her innocence. It was a great little moment for her and for us to relate to this god-like character. I couldn't stop smiling during that moment.

It's moments like these I felt like DC was lacking previously.
 
So uh, wow. Holy shit. A DC movie where a hero actually......enjoys being a hero. Amazing how much better these things get when you adapt the things people love about a character straight from the page instead of trying to obsessively deconstruct them.

So yeah, awesome fucking movie. 4 stars from me an easily the best DC movie since The Dark Knight. Loved that twist with Aries at the end too.
 
In terms of how WW left me feeling immediately afterwards it was the best superhero movie I've seen since Avengers and the best movie period since Fury Road.

If I'd had the time to watch it again right then I would have done it without hesitation.

Everything about it was fantastic IMO and Gal Gadot was amazing. She owned that role so hard and I can't wait to see her in more.
 
vypek said:
I saw it and enjoyed it for the most part. I disliked the acting of a few people. Namely, the line delivery of (chief?) didn't seem all that great. I think they used slowdowns too much and most of Area fight forward didn't look too good with all the CG. Other CG scenes weren't perfect but they didn't learn super hard into it like at the end.

All in all it was still good and an enjoyable movie
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I had to see if I was the only one who thought that. He sounded like a California surfer sometimes. It just sounded weird.

Overall I really liked the ragtag crew, too bad they won't be back.

I am gladly surprised they didn't awkwardly try to force in a "Wonder Woman" name drop where it wouldn't be appropriate.

When Diana took out the sniper I thought I would hear one of the guys say something like "What a woman" and morph it from there.
 
Freddy=Legend said:
Just got back. Really loved it. I hope this is a sign for future DC films. There were a lot of scenes I really loved, but one moment stood out for me.

The scene where Diana eats ice cream for the first time. It was so simple and in the grand scheme, not of any consequence. But it showed the softer side of Diana and showed her innocence. It was a great little moment for her and for us to relate to this god-like character. I couldn't stop smiling during that moment.

It's moments like these I felt like DC was lacking previously.
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For me that scene was when Diana sees the baby in London, "Oh, a baby!" The entire theater audience I was in chuckled fondly.
 
Great movie. Loved it. Lifelong DC fan, I think it lived up to the WW mythos and then some. The scene where Steve was tied up with the magic lasso in front of all the Amazon women was one of my favorite parts.
 
I want someone(Circe?) to imprison Trevor's soul and have Wonder Woman have to go through the underworld or some shit to free him. They're too good together. :-(
 
Got back not long ago. Movie is really good and in my top 2 super hero movies. I noticed WW was straight up killing fools and I wondered, why is no one making a fuss about that after BvS? Got home did some research. Found a interview with Jenkins talking about WW killing and found out WW is no stranger to killing fools lol. I had no idea she doesn't have the same rule as Bat or Supe.
 
Was good until the final fight which was absolutely awful. Romance was just the generic fall in love with first male character you only met a week ago nonsense. But I really liked the way the fish out of water stuff was played, and the trenches/no-mans land battle was awesome. I felt that they had a better superman on their hands, someone who is ridiculously powerful but not this immortal god who doesn't have to dodge or block or get pinned down under gun fire. CGI was pretty obvious all the way through, maybe I am spoiled by Planet of the Apes, but I thought we had advanced above the level shown here. Music wise, WW theme was pretty cool, but otherwise there was nothing else that really jumped out.
 
TaterTots said:
Got back not long ago. Movie is really good and in my top 2 super hero movies. I noticed WW was straight up killing fools and I wondered, why is no one making a fuss about that after BvS? Got home did some research. Found a interview with Jenkins talking about WW killing and found out WW is no stranger to killing fools lol. I had no idea she doesn't have the same rule as Bat or Supe.
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Did the island full of warriors with sharp swords and arrows not kinda give this away? :)

She was raised a warrior! But I get your point. It will be interesting to see in JL if Supes pushes this morality on the entire league.

FYI, if BvS is any indication, Bats has NO problem at all with killing.
 
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