Carrot AND a stick or ON a stick?
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whatsinaname
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Imagine it is a small one bite cake. It's not one after the other. You can't simulatneously consume and still possess it.
cpp_is_king
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Then shouldn't it be "have your cake and have eaten it too". Eat is either preset or future, so you can certainly have a cake and eat it at the same time. It's not until after you've finished eating it that you can no longer have it
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Red Arremer
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Well there's also the visualization that you hold a carrot in front of the proverbial donkey, while having the stick behind him, which leads to the donkey both chasing the promise of orangey goodness as reward, while trying to run away from the promise of the ass having pain applied upon his ass.
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Red Arremer
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The phrase originated in the 16th century (if not earlier). The English language has evolved since then. It probably made a lot more sense back in those days in how people used the language than it does now.
Edit:
I should stop trying to have discussions about proverbs at 4:30 AM. Head and fingers are writing out different sentences at the same time.
But we describe eating food as having food.
'What did you have for dinner?'
'I had spaghetti.'
The process of eating is the process of having. If you didn't actually eat spaghetti, you wouldn't say you had it, even if you actually owned spaghetti.
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does anyone really own spaghetti
itwasTuesday
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I own spaghetti.
Why here? Why now?
Alligatorjandro
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I own 2 spaghetti
opticalmace
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Stick in a carrot?
Red Arremer
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When I cook spaghetti, they fucking own.
Can confirm. I've seen the paperwork.
Replace the cake with money and the eating with spending. I'd love to say that I have a million dollars,but I would also like to spend it. I would have to choose having the money or having the stuff. You can't have both.
Red Arremer
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Another alternative would be to say I want to go swim but also stay dry. Obviously if you go swim, you're going to get wet, but if you stay dry, you can't go swim. It's either or, not both.
nintendork666
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I don't want to live in the Carrot & Stick parallel universe
You'd have to be a Libertarian to want that
Did your wife vote for Gary Johnson, OP?
You'd have to be a Libertarian to want that
Did your wife vote for Gary Johnson, OP?
But the money is only valuable because it can be exchanged for things. Is money really money if it isn't meant to be spent?
itwasTuesday
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Never heard the first
Or maybe I just didn't notice
Or maybe I just didn't notice
Red Arremer
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Are you a donkey?
Benzychenz
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What is this carrot & stick nonsense?
Everyone advocating that needs to be put on some kind of registry.
Everyone advocating that needs to be put on some kind of registry.
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Jpop
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Punishment is reinforcement.
Gravy Boat
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France is bacon.
itwasTuesday
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Never heard of carrot on a stick.
Carrot and stick is as others have mentioned, reward and punishment.
You can dangle your carrot from any damned thing you like.
I surmise that "carrot on a stick" has come from the same place as "I could care less", "bit of a damp squid" or "for all intensive purposes".
Carrot and stick is as others have mentioned, reward and punishment.
You can dangle your carrot from any damned thing you like.
I surmise that "carrot on a stick" has come from the same place as "I could care less", "bit of a damp squid" or "for all intensive purposes".
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Carrot on a stick is the only phrasing I find myself using.
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thepotatoman
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How is it dumb? How else are you going to get a horse follow a carrot while currently riding it?
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Carrot on a stick is the picture in the OP. These days it's typically meant the same as "moving the goalpost"... the closer you get to a reward or goal the goal is then moved so you can never reach the result required.
The Carrot and the Stick is a method of reinforcement vs reward... though I never hear this used often...
I can't remember the last time I ever heard someone use the phrase in conversation at all..
You'd be wrong.
The Carrot and the Stick is a method of reinforcement vs reward... though I never hear this used often...
I can't remember the last time I ever heard someone use the phrase in conversation at all..
You'd be wrong.
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thepotatoman
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I've heard both. They're completely different phrases.
One is for leading someone around with a reward right out of reach, the other a combined reward punishment.
"Carrot and stick" does seem less popular to me.
One is for leading someone around with a reward right out of reach, the other a combined reward punishment.
"Carrot and stick" does seem less popular to me.
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It's the opposite
A carrot on a stick is the origin and is the universally known image of dangling a carrot from a stick for a rabbit to chase but never feel rewarded
People who say fucked up phrases like "peace of mind" are the ones who perverted it into "carrot and a stick"
Doctoglethorpe
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So basically somebody was saying it wrong and then came up with a lame excuse instead of admitting it, lol.
David Incorporated Esq.
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One of them means you can use positive and negative reinforcement.
The other used to be +10% mount run speed.
The other used to be +10% mount run speed.
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Your wife is right. Carrot on a stick is fake news.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick
People who say "on a stick" also say "for all intensive purposes" and "would of."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick
People who say "on a stick" also say "for all intensive purposes" and "would of."
Zoe
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I'd never heard of the "and" version before this thread, so I'm going with this.
Charles Brandon
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UK here
We use Carrot AND Stick (or possibly Carrot OR Stick) to describe the two different ways of motivating someone.
Carrot on a stick sounds like your typical common or garden American bastardisation of an English phrase (see also: I could case less) but I could be wrong and I can't be arsed to check. In any case "carrot on a stick" is not commonly used here although the carrot in "carrot and stick"is understood to be a carrot on a stick.
We use Carrot AND Stick (or possibly Carrot OR Stick) to describe the two different ways of motivating someone.
Carrot on a stick sounds like your typical common or garden American bastardisation of an English phrase (see also: I could case less) but I could be wrong and I can't be arsed to check. In any case "carrot on a stick" is not commonly used here although the carrot in "carrot and stick"is understood to be a carrot on a stick.
SocksAndShoes
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It says they're two separate idioms that mean different things. I posted that same entry earlier.
Shadow Ranger
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Carrot from a stick, brehs. Come on now...