afaik it's a ps4 exclusive in Japan
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Yeah Nintendo comes across as really trying to foster LAN play, even focusing on that wrt the third parties they approach (Rocket League).
Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, MHXX, Pokken, Arms, FIFA, RL, etc. all with LAN multiplayer by the end of this year in Japan.
while Monster Hunter is a loss of course. Nintendo will have Pokemon and probably Animal Crossing, so the fact it loss Monster Hunter may not hurt it nearly as much. Add to it, I think Capcom will be disappointed with MHW sales, as it loses one of its main draws in their home country; portability. Don't underestimate how important that is to MH fans. And I just don't think PS4/XB1 people will care that much about another online co op game when they'll have so many other options. But we'll see.
He was doing alright up until he started claiming that the Switch needs Monster Hunter more than Capcom needs the Switch.
The Switch will be successful with or without Monster Hunter.
Capcom's future is a lot more ambiguous at this point.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Capcom at e3 just destroyed conversation in this thread lol
Monster Hunter Discussion: Week 23, 2017 (Jun 05 - Jun 11)
I think the rumor before E3 didn't help, either. Capcom's reluctance to support the NS and how that affects Monster Hunter is just a huge topic for discussion.
James Scott
Banned
Yeah, a fairly big push more than I remember from Nintendo first party on 3DS. I think that and portability is a pretty big deal in Japan and probably what can help Switch stand out.
A point I've mentioned a bunch in the past even before MHXX and MHW. Just seems so odd since they were there at the 3DS start and despite the slow start they were heavily rewarded for their efforts with SF4 selling over a million units on there and being able to continue to use their PS2 assets for MH. Wonder if they're going to change their strategy or if it's going to stay the same. Doesn't look good when even two collections of NES games both skip the Nintendo system.
lol
The Vita needed Monster Hunter more than 3DS or Switch needs it.
SIE failed at trying to support the system enough because no surprise, SIE HQ is in the US and they focused all their attention on PS4.
We didn't see Vita at E3 this year and they still quietly pretend it doesn't exist because it's the one huge failure Sony has which is equivalent to the Wii U.
This is the dumbest kind of exclusive deal I've heard in my life, and I've heard quite a few. Bravo to Sony for even inventing this term.
Is it really? Seems to me they are slowly yet firmly falling into irrelevance.
Xbox is dead in Japan and not worth printing discs for.
PC is a non-entity for AAA games.
I mean what else would it be on. lol.
So? How hard it is to put it on Steam Japanese Store? Have you ever heard a Capcom game on PC but not available in Japan? It's clearly a deal made with Sony.
Well I was trying to be diplomatic.
Square should have gotten the memo that the PC wasn't a viable system in Japan when they ported DQX to it years ago
Or Capcom when then launched MHF on it before any other system and still support it to this day.
It's weird how it suddenly doesn't become viable when all they have to do is lift the IP restriction for MHW to be available on Steam in Japan.
Dragon's Dogma was unlocked on Steam for Japan on December 17th 2015
Unless it has been delisted since, it's available (and has full japanese support (even the voices with an addon)).
I do agree that it's weird. I wanted to buy Dragon's Dogma for my friend in Japan but couldn't because some Capcom games weren't on the service. It made me sad.
Well, just checked that one out, it doesn't even have Japanese audio. My bad. Capcom is one hell of a company that offers their domestic region the least options.
edit: so they did add Japanese support later. I guess there's a chance they lowkey add in Japanese support for MHW too.
Yeah Capcom is confusing.
MHW being PS4/XBO/PC says that it has western ambitions, as does its venue for announcement, yet (as an outsider from the fandom) it seems that the reaction has mostly swung around to the game not being heavily westernized.
But, if that's the case, couldn't it probably see a lot of sales on Switch in Japan? Why wouldn't Capcom want the portable audience to fall back on?
And then you run into the exclusivity agreement rumor, which is weird. Why not buy full exclusivity? Or keep it PS4/PC like SFV? If Sony already had bought the game's not appearing on a Nintendo, couldn't they easily afford keeping it off Xbox for another "Japanese niche exclusive Xbox doesn't have" arrow in their quiver? And, again, Sony did keep SFV off Xbox so they are interested in those sorts of deals with Capcom.
So then you go around to it just not being developed for Switch and being unable to add that platform but...Switch has MT frameworks now and would probably be a big payoff for the porting work. It seems like if they could do a Switch port they should do a Switch port and it also doesn't seem like they couldn't.
The game could've been delayed for a port, announced a bit later and launch with a less risky array of platform targets while still targeting the full array of core gaming devices in the west. They could even do a staggered launch as they are already doing with PC if it really needed to get out the door as soon as possible.
Throw in that Capcom is being weird about the Switch in general and it is just a weird situation over all.
MHW being PS4/XBO/PC says that it has western ambitions, as does its venue for announcement, yet (as an outsider from the fandom) it seems that the reaction has mostly swung around to the game not being heavily westernized.
But, if that's the case, couldn't it probably see a lot of sales on Switch in Japan? Why wouldn't Capcom want the portable audience to fall back on?
And then you run into the exclusivity agreement rumor, which is weird. Why not buy full exclusivity? Or keep it PS4/PC like SFV? If Sony already had bought the game's not appearing on a Nintendo, couldn't they easily afford keeping it off Xbox for another "Japanese niche exclusive Xbox doesn't have" arrow in their quiver? And, again, Sony did keep SFV off Xbox so they are interested in those sorts of deals with Capcom.
So then you go around to it just not being developed for Switch and being unable to add that platform but...Switch has MT frameworks now and would probably be a big payoff for the porting work. It seems like if they could do a Switch port they should do a Switch port and it also doesn't seem like they couldn't.
The game could've been delayed for a port, announced a bit later and launch with a less risky array of platform targets while still targeting the full array of core gaming devices in the west. They could even do a staggered launch as they are already doing with PC if it really needed to get out the door as soon as possible.
Throw in that Capcom is being weird about the Switch in general and it is just a weird situation over all.
I just think evidence points towards Switch coming out too late for Capcom to make a Switch version any time soon. They can't get the PC version out on the same date as the console versions, so I don't want to know how much later a Switch version would come out and if by then it'd just take resources away from more important things like an original Switch MH game. Not ruling out a port later down the road though, or the next Switch MH to use a lot of the MHW assets.
We don't even know when the Switch version of DQXI is coming out. We haven't even seen any footage of it.
We don't even know when the Switch version of DQXI is coming out. We haven't even seen any footage of it.
didn't they confirm that no switch version was planned
1st Course
Member
Going by the stock thread it doesn't like the Switch got that big of a restock. Supply issues are still rampant apparently.
I really doubt these issues will be sorted out by Splatoon release.
I really doubt these issues will be sorted out by Splatoon release.
The restock being large and supply issues remaining aren't mutually exclusive.
Most of the reported numbers were sounding like 10+ to 20-30+ per store across major retail locations (plus online restocking) in the US, it was probably a fairly large shipment.
If we see around 50-60k in Japan, we can probably extrapolate that up to NA as the shipment number seem to be fairly scaled but, perhaps, they may have shipped more for NA/EU for ARMS than Japan due to the nature of the title and appeal.
Top 1000 came out, top 100 is known since January.
So the lesson is, endure Monster Hunter talk and pay attention to these threads then!
Jon Carter
Member
Few people underestimate it, but they all work at Capcom.
Jon Carter
Member
Vroom in the Night Sky?
AcademicSaucer
Member
So far they only have that weird version of S2 and the MH XX port right?? Even Megaman collection wasn't announced for Switch.
Skyrim?
SporeCrawler
Member
i think in the long run level 5 is the bigger loss. they had yokai watch, layton and fantasy life on 3ds which all did well. now they have nothing on switch and moved to be a nino kuni studio. there have been talks about inazuma and layton but considering layton was a day one 3ds title..
There's no way that happens.
Level 5 has said that they are making Switch games and we know Inazuma will be on a platform other than the 3DS.
The market changes with every generation, you can't expect every previous big title to carry the same weight. As recent examples Yo-Kai Watch is falling rapidly, Splatoon is rising and Minecraft looks to maintan its power.
Layton did well on DS, not 3DS. If Level 5 was to survive as a Ni no Kuni studio they better shut it down from now.
Jon Carter
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Level-5's wait-and-see approach is much more understandable than Capcom's. They make games for kids and the Switch is expensive. The audience is not there yet in large enough numbers.
Capcom, though, just fucked up. They're really blowing a massive opportunity.
Capcom, though, just fucked up. They're really blowing a massive opportunity.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
I think that's more a demographic thing. Layton is their only franchise that has any appeal to older players. Games like Yokai and Inazuma skew a younger. Switch's player base is mainly comprised of young adults. Doesn't make much sense to put titles out for younger people if none of them own a Switch. It seems they're building a base up with games that have crossover appeal for young and old, stuff like Minecraft, Splatoon, Mario and Monster Hunter.
Titles that skew toward a younger demo will probably start seeing release next year...a few of them probably cross gen with the 3DS.
The biggest poison pill in the well right now for Capcom is their (mis)handling of MHXX with regards to the west for both 3DS and Switch. It breeds negative sentiments and just feeds that venomous rumor or makes it sound all the more "this must be why they won't localize it". So in bumbling their messaging like complete idiots with inane tweets on their public facing community twitter, they just feed into further negative bullshit.
That 4chan rumor is just going to keep circling forever, tainting all discussion, because (a.) it came out months and months ago and has basically permeated multiple levels of discussion, (b.) it got enough correct to spook regardless of all it got wrong, and (c.) Capcom doing stupid stuff leads to the above "this must be why...".
So be prepared to see it referenced/cited over and over...
Hell, it somehow made its way into one of the articles on the cross-play shenanigans from Sony. That's a potent fucking poison pill.
Switch is the only minecraft-relevant platform left, Vita has either saturated or interest waned and lol @ PS4/WiiU being even remotely relevant to it. But until stock improves to exceed demand, it won't even really matter (and won't matter until price drops to be more accessible to a wider children's demographic).
The Vita was propped up by minecraft because its value/price had effectively bottomed to a point where kids could have it bought for them with minecraft and only minecraft.
SporeCrawler
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yes but level 5 is the only studio aside nintendo at the moment that is capable of comming up with new IP that is successful every generation.
on DS they came up with ni no kuni, layton and inazuma
on 3ds they came up with fantasylife, guild and yokai watch
it just seems to me that they have the ability to come out with new things next gen as well, unlike capcom who is clinging to their franchises from SNES, PSone and PS2 era.
It's a continued mishandling. The serious lack of communication resembles how they handled MHP3rd and lack of communication about a western release, and despite what we know now, people still insist that Nintendo money hatted for the series though it's totally unfounded. It's something people believed and still brought up even in those MHW/5 4chan rumor threads.
EDIT: I think no matter how we slice it, any MH talk is poisoned regardless of side because Capcom refuses to clarify anything and it forces many to believe in rumors.
Or maybe, you know, the reason they always come up with new stuff is that they always kill their franchises so damn fast. Capcom may be suffering from a slow death, but if L5 can't throw out something that can stick to the wall, they're out of business tomorrow.
It's also coming to mobile. But I am interested to see how it's being received in Japan.
Level 5 will be the next company to go full on PS4 with Inazuma Eleven exclusive.
Layton -> Inazuma -> Yo-Kai
These are the only big and everyone of them came out when the previous was dying. Too bad there is nothing remotely close to follow Yo-Kai.
SporeCrawler
Member
well they surely handled fantasy life strangely
at the moment. i thought yo kai has no chance when they launched that first game. boy was i wrong
dont forget about white knight chronicles
True, it's easy to forget mobile. I wonder how many play it there in Japan, since business model isn't gacha.
Capcom is perfectly aware that MHW will lead to a decline domestically, but they are willing to take that into account for a chance to make MH big in the west. The Japanese market is declining and in the long run the series future would be more secure if it sells big in the west.
Honestly, if Capcom wants to make an experiment like this, now's the perfect opprtunity. MH's fanbase is becoming tired of the 3DS and the handheld really doesn't need a sixth MH entry. At the same time early 2018 is too early for a big MH on Switch. The userbase just won't be quite there yet. There's no better time to release a western-focussed MH. I don't think selling 2-3 million units in the west is actually that much of a longshot if they play their cards right and are a bit lucky (I could see MHW becoming pretty huge on Twitch).
And let's be honest, even if MHW underperforms in the west, it won't be that much of a blow since they are going to reuse its assets and foundation time and time again anyway. They are almost assuredly also working on an equivalent to the
Portable series, be it a continuation of the X series
or a literal World Portable. It's not like the work they've done on World would have been for nothing.
Level 5 will be fine. Their current line up seems a bit unremarkable and they don't seem to have a straight vision for the future yet, but thanks to the Yokai money they can afford to just float around until they find their next hit.
Many, that and PC. Children learn to type Minecraft into YouTube by the age 4 here.