When another guest said " if we cut everything we wn't be able to charter flights over there" she went into a rant how she wanted to cut all ties, so we can form ties around the world ourself.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
- Thread starter Jezbollah
- Start date
- Status
When another guest said " if we cut everything we wn't be able to charter flights over there" she went into a rant how she wanted to cut all ties, so we can form ties around the world ourself.
Hmm, could have been her.
what deal is that
Sounds like her. She is a fanatic re Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...patel-international-development-a7379046.html
WHAT DEAL?!?!?!
The last time a prime minister lost his seat in an election would be... Balfour?
But parties do their utmost to stop Portillo moments from happening to their cabinet officers. Doesn't always work (Ed Balls), but the Tories would do everything to defend her seat if Amber Rudd were made leader. But it's such a bad idea for this very reason. Everyone will gun for her.
Yeah I am almost certain it was her. Completely insane
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Priti Patel who wants to bring back hanging? Rant sounds like her all right. Wonder what happens in these people's lives to make them hate the EU so much. Also 48% of people polled in that Survation poll are dimwits. Accepting a deal that doesn't exist, lel
I'd say it isn't any less stupid than rejecting a deal without knowing what it is. I'd say only 9% are smart.
Always makes me laugh seeing people like Priti Patel (a person born to Ugandan immigrants of Gujarati origin) proudly aligning themselves with the Leave campaign and Brexit. Her parents would have likely been told to "fuck off back home" had they had the misfortune of encountering the racists that she helped to embolden.
Lancashire's top cop have warned 'cracks are now appearing' in the service because of tough government cuts
https://twitter.com/PoliceInspForum/status/876188320409243649
https://twitter.com/PoliceInspForum/status/876188320409243649
Always makes me laugh when people think this.
They had British Indian passports.
They were citizens of the United Kingdom and emigrated their after being kicked from Uganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_passport
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda
Indians did not have freedom of movement, they had to be ruled by the British Empire to be entitled to said freedoms.
But I'm not defending Priti Patel. I don't know her views.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Edit nvm
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Asking people to vote on any deal is utterly pointless, and potentially even more damaging.
Firstly, "no" would always win because the majority of people will always think we could get better. Secondly, the public were unqualified to vote on whether to leave the EU, so they're damned well unqualified to vote on whether a deal is good or not.
Firstly, "no" would always win because the majority of people will always think we could get better. Secondly, the public were unqualified to vote on whether to leave the EU, so they're damned well unqualified to vote on whether a deal is good or not.
Can someone tell me what Labour's 'jobs first Brexit' means?
McDonnell said last week that he wants to leave the single market (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/...l-says-labour-supports-leaving-single-market/), so that's Hard Brexit? How does that differ to the Tories? And what makes it 'jobs first'?
I'm confused.
McDonnell said last week that he wants to leave the single market (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/...l-says-labour-supports-leaving-single-market/), so that's Hard Brexit? How does that differ to the Tories? And what makes it 'jobs first'?
I'm confused.
I think it's about having a referendum on whatever deal ends up being decided on, not if they support the deal.
autumnleaf
Member
It means somewhere down the line they'll want to change their mind about the single market or freedom of movement and want to be able to point to the impact on jobs as the excuse.
GamingKaiju
Member
This.
It's scary knowing that the Brexiteers are holding the country hostage. Looks like we've got the DUPTories for the next 5 years.
This whole leaving the EU has gotten out of hand any competent leader could see the country is really divided over Brexit.
We had one fucking refrundum and all hell has been unleashed since.
D
Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not normally a fan of politics.co.uk, but this article: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/06/13/know-your-soft-brexit is the best I can find for you at short notice. Labour wants the option called "Customs union Soft Brexit" in the article, about halfway down.
While customs union is theoretically possible, didn't Corbyn say he wants to retain single market benefits?
They weren't white British though were they? Do you really think the racist folk hurling abuse after the ref would have stopped to find out that her parents were citizens of the UK and then spared them based on such a distinction? No, they wouldn't. They looked "foreign" so would have been subject to the same abuse had they encountered the racists she helped to embolden.
D
Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
He did, but this doesn't necessarily mean being a single market member - we could pay for access to avoid having to sign up to freedom of movement, for example. I mean, the most concrete part of Labour's policy is that they are not remaining within freedom of movement, which is obviously mutually exclusive with being a full single market member.
I don't understand your point. Do racists care what kind of passport someone has?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I think the point is that you can be anti-EU and an immigrant/have immigrant parents, without being contradictory.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Priti Patel is a buffoon but I really don't think this is a good line of criticism. Just criticise her shit ideas.
Of course many of the racists who are anti-EU wouldn't want her in the country or her parents, but that doesn't preclude her from being anti-immigration or make her a hypocrite for wanting to clamp down on immigration. It reflects a lack of empathy and awareness, sure, but isn't hypocritical.
Of course many of the racists who are anti-EU wouldn't want her in the country or her parents, but that doesn't preclude her from being anti-immigration or make her a hypocrite for wanting to clamp down on immigration. It reflects a lack of empathy and awareness, sure, but isn't hypocritical.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
I wanted to know why her family were kicked out of Uganda. Reading the rest of the wiki I found the following:
Wow. That would piss me off if I were a Ugandan.
Reading the above, her attitude doesn't surprise me. If her family was one of those. Fucking hell.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Is it really a shock that non white people also are capable of expressing racist views?
It is very abstract to suggest that Priti Patel or even her wider family feel that way about Africans. As I said before, focus on the issues.
It is very abstract to suggest that Priti Patel or even her wider family feel that way about Africans. As I said before, focus on the issues.
I mean most if not all Asians that migrated were told to go fuck off back home. Like I said I don't know her views but I see nothing wrong with controlled immigration and migration, wanting that does not make you racist.
Unless she wants to like stop all immigration and migration, then your point would be true.
My point is to distinguish the difference between freedom of movement and controlled immigration/migration.
This is what Jeremy Corbyn and Labour wants now.
Only missing the Daily Mail header.
Priti Patel view is racist? or you mean in general. I would agree with the latter for sure.
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
Priti Patel is evil even for a Tory. IIRC she's the member for the Tax Payers Alliance and spent her early career trying to sell tabs to kids.
Foreign Aid used to be her go to bashing topic, yet amazingly she was on some show during the election defending it for once.
Foreign Aid used to be her go to bashing topic, yet amazingly she was on some show during the election defending it for once.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Labour's Brexit policy still an open question because they don't need to have one until they enter government. If you ignore Corbyn/McDonnell though it does sound like Labour's various Brexit-facing spokespeople would like a softer Brexit than the Tories, but not a soft a Brexit that is wanted by the LDs and nationalists.
It is tough to say with Labour still right now - what they should do is release a policy paper outlining what they want.
That's vastly different from the pre-election Yougov poll that had the split as 33/66. Figures the flagship LD policy is only supported after the polls close.
It is tough to say with Labour still right now - what they should do is release a policy paper outlining what they want.
That's vastly different from the pre-election Yougov poll that had the split as 33/66. Figures the flagship LD policy is only supported after the polls close.
Ironically May/Cameron were the one who had the bankers running for the hills with the Brexit vote and invoking article 50
The pro euro Tories will only copy it, exactly as they have done with 'jobs first' language.
Boris wants no hard or soft Brexit but a open Brexit
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/not-hard-not-soft-an-open-brexit-is-best-ttvn69s3c
Whatever that means
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/not-hard-not-soft-an-open-brexit-is-best-ttvn69s3c
Whatever that means
frankie_baby
Member
The way i read it is that Labour dont want a soft brexit as in the norway model as that wouldmt be practical as we are a much larger nation than norway, but they want a soft brexit with us still getting tariff free access to the single market, would the EU go for it? I don't know but i think labour have a much better shot at getting us it
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
Best case scenario would be to pay a sum of money, as vast as it may be, to protect access to the single market and London's status as the financial capital of europe.
Freedom of movement would simply have to go. It's suicidal in many ways on it's own but that is clearly the main point of opposition to the EU.
It means a soft Brexit with a bit of PR spin so he doesn't look like a u-turning cunt. Let's all pretend that open/soft aren't exactly the same thing so the Tories just get on with a semblance of a sensible plan.
The EU has been open about this for almost a year now.
If labour wants to retain benefits of single market they have to accept freedom of movement.
For the EU this is not negotiable.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Phillip Hammond saying they responded accurately and correctly to recommendations re: Glenfell.
"Technical expert research was commissioned word salad"
Marr: "Should we put sprinklers in all these buildings and schools without them?"
Hammond: "These are technical questions and what I am hearing from fire safety experts is that it is not necessary to retrofit sprinkler systems which don't always ensure the saving of lives"
Hammond just got nailed on voting against landlord regulations.
"Technical expert research was commissioned word salad"
Marr: "Should we put sprinklers in all these buildings and schools without them?"
Hammond: "These are technical questions and what I am hearing from fire safety experts is that it is not necessary to retrofit sprinkler systems which don't always ensure the saving of lives"
Hammond just got nailed on voting against landlord regulations.
frankie_baby
Member
The EU might say that but they may be willing to budge behind closed doors, especially if Labour offer free-er movement than the tories do, the tories seem to want immigration on arbitrary and possibly damaging income minimums (its all well and good trying to say we only want skilled workers on 35k+ when we desperately need hospital porters on 19k) whereas labour i think want it based on industry needs
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
Hammond suffers from a lot of the same problems as May. He's marginally less power hungry and sociopathic but really he's a dull bean counting Tory.
I have a friend in some sort of intelligence job, first minister he ever briefed was Hammond and he had good things to say about him. He thought Fallon was an idiot, on the contrary.
So what he's saying is 'i can rhetorically argue that sprinkers don't guarantee someone won't die in a fire, so i we voted against them being required even now'.?
So what can labour offer the EU to abandon one of it's core principles which repeatedly has been told as non negotiable?
What can they offer that will make Merkel, the EU parliament and others do a u-turn on the repeatedly publicly set red line to veto any deal that harms the integrity of the 4 freedoms?
SM without FoM is not possible and people need to stop pretending it is for any government.
The EU doesn't care whether they negotiate with May or Corbyn.
Read below
How many times does the EU have to say "Freedom of movement is necessary for the single market to be maintained like it is" before people understand they are actually serious? The best case would be a Canada - like agreement (which will probably not include some sectors), this could lead to services not being included and UK still being fucked. I understand that it is good to think they are not being totally serious, but if one party says all the time a point is not negotiable it tends to mean that it is not negotiable.
As said before the "works first" approach by Labour is probably just a way to accept a soft brexit (maybe keeping some control of the eu border for a while like the deal you got with Cameron) by saying that otherwise the effect on the economy would be oo large.
EDIT: Also, all kind of agreements should be approved by all eu members which would mean that good luck discriminating against the eastern members.
Billy_Pilgrim
Member
Well it is a negotiation. You never know, money talks. I agree you can't remain IN the single market without FOM but they've bent plenty of unbendable rules for us in the past.
Unfortunately I know that this is mostly hypotheticals and fantasy as we won't have negotiators capable of aiming for something that nice.
frankie_baby
Member
Maintaining tariff free access to the UK would be in germany's interest too so perhaps some monetary deal could let them water down their demand
KimonoNoNo
Member
As Buckethead said "It will be a shit-show"
This isn't happening. It's pure fantasy. The negotiations would get off to a much better start if the Brexiteer Tories stopped propagating the lie that free trade can be decoupled from freedom of movement. It's the most absurd and dangerous form of populism - rally the support of your domestic base around an impossible dream, at the expense of all credibility abroad.
And you decided to spit on the EU after bending some rules and getting mostly a good deal from exceptions. Good will is not on your side in this case. Plus now you will be an outsider, not part of "home", different rules of negotiations are applied.
Edit: oh yeah the negotiators, that is pretty shitty. Do you have already a core set of them? Cause it will be pretty hard to obtain anything good otherwise.
- Status