The Greek Freak
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So people who sit at a desk all day and eat garbage 24/7 can feel better about eating themselves into an early grave.
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"This Is What Superheroes Would Look Like With Realistic Bodies"
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So people who sit at a desk all day and eat garbage 24/7 can feel better about eating themselves into an early grave.
Show yourself, you must be model material.
Would it be horrible if overweight people wouldn't be shunned, shamed, mocked and made feel less worthy? Being obese isn't healthy (everyone knows this), it's always good to keep in mind and people should aim for healthy lifestyle in all ways. These changes are easier to do when you don't feel like an outcast, depressed or insecure. Overweight people going to gyms and exercise get laughed at. Go for a swim for example and hear the snickering from people for how you look, even when you are doing something considered healthy. In worst cases it's not just snickering but straight up people shouting nasty things at you. And I think it's well researched that media setting too high bars in the beauty standards can be harmful in many ways. Also the perception on people what is considered to be fit/healthy and unfit/unhealthy is sometimes really skewed.
They don't work out to be superheroes, they have superpowers. Not every hero in comics, games and movies uses physical strenght or agility to fight crime. And you said it yourself, they are not real. What sense does it make to shoot lasers from your eyes?
Crankshaft
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You still have to run around and chase people down to shoot them with your eye beams. Superman doesn't sit in a recliner to fight crime. I'm sure flying through the sky would burn some calories.
Superman does have a desk job though =P But yeah I'm not the most familiar with comic book heroes anyway, but isn't something like Storm just flying and using superpowers rather than physical fitness and strenght? And why does flying through the sky burn calories, he isn't flapping his arms while doing so.
Omegasquash
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They have super traits because they're super human. And fictional, for the most part. The actors on screen are touched up, but they've also put a ridiculous amount of work into looking like that. Often, it's for one or two shots, but they've put in the effort, and got paid for it.
Good job, I say. Man I wish that I had that kind of determination. Money and time too, but they shouldn't take away from the work that the actors do.
If you want to make heroes look more realistic, show things like Black Widow missing shots in training. Show Captain America lifting to failure. Show Batman missing a batarang throw in training.
But show the training. Let the fans know that what the more human heroes have is training, and emphasize that. But remember, it'd be WAY more time looking at training and the X-Men in the Danger Room than it would be them fighting whoever they fight now (I fell off, don't hate me). You'd have 11 issues of hard, monotonous work, and one issue of action. Maybe an annual.
Good job, I say. Man I wish that I had that kind of determination. Money and time too, but they shouldn't take away from the work that the actors do.
If you want to make heroes look more realistic, show things like Black Widow missing shots in training. Show Captain America lifting to failure. Show Batman missing a batarang throw in training.
But show the training. Let the fans know that what the more human heroes have is training, and emphasize that. But remember, it'd be WAY more time looking at training and the X-Men in the Danger Room than it would be them fighting whoever they fight now (I fell off, don't hate me). You'd have 11 issues of hard, monotonous work, and one issue of action. Maybe an annual.
I'm not sure what pools/beaches/gyms you go to, but I used to be very overweight for well over 3/4th's my life and I have never once gotten snickered at or made fun of openly while working out or swimming. I hear people complain about this often on the internet, but I never have actually seen or heard about it happen in real life to me or my friends.
The message is great, we don't want people to be shunned for how they look no matter who they are. But this kind of argument doesn't help this case, because it feels fabricated for pity. If it does happen to you, then I truly wish it didn't, but you might be in a minority if that is the case.
That might be true but this website is just pushing it in the opposite direction. I also can't really imagine anyone feeling better about their body image when you show them these pictures. All they'll see is how ridiculous the overweight versions look next to the athletic ones.
At best it's a motivator to lose weight.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
in retrospective that headswitch looks terribad
Just work out and diet and you can go from zero to hero just like Cap
xDUMPWEEDx
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Yeah, I hate this trend doing this with shit. Realistic = fat? Yeah, okay.
Sure it doesn't always happen face to face or in public spaces. But that insecurity can follow you from internet discussion too, it's not just what people say to you directly. But what you perceive that some of them are thinking when they see you. Like in this very thread we have someone saying they don't want to see "fatties" in their media. Do you think that the same person wants to see them in swimsuits at beach/pool? People commenting online are real people, just because they fortunately can sometimes hold their tongue face to face, doesn't mean they aren't hurting others. Online bullying/shaming especially directed at kids can be very harmful and affect their life outside of internet.
I'm not saying that comicbook heroes should be obese from now on, but the attitude towards overweight people needs to change from hostility and shaming.
Suppose the reality is that people have differing metabolisms and some people have to put in twice the work to actually change their physical appearance compared to others.
Which I think is excusable, because some will have to spend way more on food, and others break themselves at the gym after a long day. It's sometimes not worth it next to making a living and being happy.
That's also why I get so irritated at the concept of fitness being a aesthetic quality. It's not. It's what the person achieves physically. The hot-bod people see as fit could simply have a high metabolism and do no exercise.
Which I think is excusable, because some will have to spend way more on food, and others break themselves at the gym after a long day. It's sometimes not worth it next to making a living and being happy.
That's also why I get so irritated at the concept of fitness being a aesthetic quality. It's not. It's what the person achieves physically. The hot-bod people see as fit could simply have a high metabolism and do no exercise.
I get that, I understand very well how it feels to feel like I'm constantly being judged or looked at for being "lesser". But at the same time, this is a bit presumptuous as well, coming from both sides of the fence here, I think a lot of overweight people have a bit of a victim complex just as I used to. While at the same time fit people can have a superiority complex. It's true, there are plenty of people who voice that horrible shit online, but it seems to be the edginess associated with anonymity and vocal minority that allows for it to seem a lot more like an issue in real life than it is. I think both sides need to approach healthier ways to view this topic. Overweight people need to realize that being overweight is not typically a naturally healthy state of being and people are not obligated to find them attractive, there are exceptions certainly, but a lot of them make the exceptions seem like the rule when really they just lack self control. Fit people need to realize these people have feelings and not treat them as lesser for being that way. It's a complex topic with so much controversy that I don't think either side will ever concede.
God Dayumm
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I have low metabolism, as in my fingers get numb and bleed just from cold air conditioning. And I gain weight easily if I overeat. So I watch my diet and count calories, there is no excuse. If people want to be fat by choice because they enjoy food that's one thing, but don't mislead others into thinking they can't control their weight.
Consuming more calories at rest means you have more muscle burning calories. The less muscle, the fewer calories you need a day. It's the dominant factor.
This notion that you get muscle just from a resting stage is a myth, usually spread by people who do not exercise.
I know right!? If you want to grow muscles it takes so goddam effort. Working out until you can barely move, followed by eating thousands of calories each day. The bulkin phase of any workout program kills you, it sucks, and unless you have good genes the results wont even be that noticeable.
After my early 20's I have reconsidered my whole approach and now pursue a leaness/flexibility first approach. This is much more in line with what is reasonable for someone that is busy and doesnt have time to work out as much.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah because what you're describing isn't real. Well, in the sense that a person can't achieve the "hot bod" by doing no exercise. Muscles don't just grow because someone has a high metabolism. A "skinny" person with little muscle mass looks significantly different from even a slightly muscular person with low body fat
boiled goose
good with gravy
Average is not the same as realistic.
Phoenix RISING
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Because athletes don't exist.
Seriously. This re-imagining of super-heroes is body positivism jumping the shark.
Be proud of your curves, but most Americans are obese, and that's not something to celebrate.
More_Badass
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What? Where did you that impression? Maybe if you want to be a professional powerlifter, but just being fit and strong doesnt require such crazy effort. Three days a week or maybe four, the big three (bench/squat/deadlift) + assistance exercises, cardio by going on the treadmill or going walking, eat more protein and cut down on carbs
My dad's 52, started lifting 5 years ago. He just deadlifted 440 last week. I'm 25, got into lifting a few months ago. You dont need to destroy yourself to be fit and strong
cromofo
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Oh please this is pure exaggaration
As a gym goer I can tell you that most of us have utmost respect for anyone trying to change their lives, that includes fat people. Everyone at the gym had a starting point and when we see that starting point in another person, we're respectful of it and will most likely even try to help.
Gym folk are one of the most helpful people you'll find.
What you're doing is stereotyping gym goers as disrespectful folk, the same shit you're accusing us of doing.
Miss me with that shit.
Gotdatmoney
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I've never bulked a day in my life lmao. So many myths about getting fit. If you wamna lose weight watch your calorie intake. If you wanna get muscles, 3-4 days a week at the gym for 1 hour on even a basic plan will yeild lots of results. That's it. If you are 90% of earths population this will work. Christ.
Never in the entirety of the time Ibhave been to the gym have I ever seen this happen. The worst I have ever seen is a girl asking me how to use assisted chin ups then calling herself sad. To which I was like "naw, everyone starts somewhere".
If anything, people at the gym are way to self absorbed in their workout to even give a shit about others lol.
LordRaptor
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They make it super abundantly clear that the X-Men have - effectively - a military training regime on a daily basis, and learn all sorts of hand to hand combat techniques so they're not entirely powers reliant.
In fact, during a period when Storm had lost her powers, she kicked the shit out of a fully powered up cyclops in a duel to decide the leader of the X men.
Because I'm not going to believe you if you tell me that someone in their mid twenties who has been doing bootcamp every day since they were a teenager looks like the "fixed" images linked in the OP, I'm going to question where you came to that conclusion
HappehLemons
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Just work out and diet and you can go from zero to hero just like Cap
A photo of Christian bale would of been better. I'm pretty sure this is fake as fuck and looks pretty bad.
More_Badass
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Exactly. Don't go by the silly stereotypes you see in movies and tv. The gym is one of the most supportive and helpful places you'll find if you're trying to lose weight.
Reasonable fitness is not hard. It just takes patience. And once you get used to doing your 5 sets of each muscle group you need once every week (in 2 sessions if needed), it's all about what's in your plate. Food intake is the most difficult factor to manage IMO. So much temptation in today's world.
And even then, I eat a lot of junk food, but after 6 years of casual weightlifting, I feel like lots of people would sign up for where I'm at. It just takes 2 hours a week over the course of years to compensate for a love of chocolate and burgers.
Walk when you can.
Drink diet soda.
One guilty pleasure a day.
Find simple ways to spend calories.
And you're fine.
And even then, I eat a lot of junk food, but after 6 years of casual weightlifting, I feel like lots of people would sign up for where I'm at. It just takes 2 hours a week over the course of years to compensate for a love of chocolate and burgers.
Walk when you can.
Drink diet soda.
One guilty pleasure a day.
Find simple ways to spend calories.
And you're fine.
I was young and stupid and I wanted to have everything at the same time. I was running in the morning and lifting at night three times a week, doing martial arts the other three days ,usually involved 2-3 hours of training, and cardio for rest days which would usually involve 8-10 miles at a low pace.
I started from a pretty ok point physical condition wise, and I have a pretty tall long frame. I was eating around 4500 calories per day, spread out in 10-12 meals. I had to eat all day, almost non stop. Body would barely heal from jiu jitsu by the time I had to wake up to run... I was able to go from 180 lbs to a sustainable 200 pounds with around 10-12% body fat and keep it for a couple years. Lifts were going steadily up, but I started feeling pain on my lower back and shoulder. The kind of pain that doesn't go away. You always feel it and you never know when its gonna pop. I realized I hated that life and have given up on heavy lifts but that meant Ive had to toally give up on martial arts competition...
I guess I gotta give context. I was in shape, very low body fat and had decent weight lifting numbers. I was training to compete in wrestling and jiu jitsu tournaments but I was in a no mas land for my weight range. I was right at the middle weight limit of 181 lb pounds and was consistently the smallest person in my weight class. I had to either cut to 167.5 lbs or bulk up to make a decent cut down.
I ended up walking around 200 lbs, with a competition weight of about 193 lbs and a cuting weight of 181 lbs.
Well, that's called aging. I gave up on basketball because of my knees, unrelatedly to weightlifting. It happens, your joints are given to you with a set number of actions you can perform before giving up. If anything weightlifting helped me bear the pain much more: stronger legs meant my leg movement became healthier, and relieved me of the daily suffering I had from jumping too much as a teenager.
Generally speaking, weightlifting helps bodies against aging.
Losing weight will actually impact your face incredibly. I look 5 years younger when my body fat is gone. Lifting weights can help weight loss.
Jason's Ultimatum
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If you have an ugly mug, probably not. If you have an average/slightly above average face like me, being lean and muscular definitely helps. Well I'm 6'1" so that probably helps, too.
cromofo
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An ugly mug with a banging body is better than an ugly mug with an ugly body.
Not to mention your face will lean out and extra testosterone might help out if you're still developing(broscience??)
Glad to hear and my intention wasn't to stereotype gym goers, but there has been cases when pictures from a gym have been shared online with accompanying insults for example. Not every gym goer is a decent person. I also clarified that online behaviour towards people who are overweight carries with them even outside the internet. I applaud people being supportive rather than mean, it's the right way to go. I was only talking about the harmful actions and words from people towards overweight people, at the gym or not. It's easy to remember that one person who shamed you rather than the 5 who were being supportive. Especially when you see the difference how people behave when they aren't confronting you directly face to face but are using the shroud of anonymity. Attitude like you shouldn't dress sexy, shouldn't dance, shouldn't go for a swim if you are overweight because for some reason the look of it bothers people is real.
cromofo
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I can show you examples of fit shaming too so it's not always about fat shaming.
I've been called a meathead and a steroid user many times.( tho being called a steroid user is the best compliment a natural lifter can recieve so there's that lol)
Some people are jerks and will be jerks. Let's work on reducing that.
Yeah true, we as people put too much importance on how others look and stereotype people by it. Buff people are dumb, overweight people are lazy etc. Not everyone is supposed be attractive to us. If someone isn't your type and appealing to you, why even bring it up unless directly asked. What's with the need to judge people by how they look and also to air it out.
killatopak
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uhhh
they're heroes with most of them doing physical stuff daily.
Why the hell would hey be fat?
they're heroes with most of them doing physical stuff daily.
Why the hell would hey be fat?
UnemployedVillain
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Except for people who wear jeans to the gym. Those people should be mocked, but being serious
This still doesn't justify your post. Not every person you run into everywhere is a decent person. You can be mocked on the sidewalk, in the supermarket, at the store, ANYWHERE, but no one goes and makes generalizations of people who frequent those places. The vast VAST majority of people who go to the gym are focused on themselves and their own self improvement. They don't have time to care about other people and where they're at. This sounds like it comes from a place of slight insecurity, where you might interpret people laughing at something completely unrelated as them laughing at you
Brerlappin
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I don't know what gym you're going to, but never in my days have i seen an overweight person get laughed at for working out. I fucking love seeing overweight people at the gym, more power to them for making the choice to get off the sofa and make a positive change to their life.
cromofo
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True. I think there's some anxiety in play. That's how I felt in my first month at the gym. I felt that everyone looked at my weak lamp post ass.
But now I know, no one gives a shit what you look like, they're there just to finish their workout and leave.
5 years at the gym, I had 0 people mock/look at me wrong while I've had dozens of people being friendly and offering advice or asking for one.
And regarding swimming, no one gives a shit either. I live in coastal Croatia which is currently overrun by tourists of all shapes, colors and sizes. No one cares, they're here to enjoy their vacation.
Yes, I already clarified though that the perception these people get from online discussion like this in Neogaf where people say "they don't want to see fatties" adds a hurdle for them to go for a swim or exercise in public places. Ofcourse when they get over that hurdle and meet friendly encouraging people and feel welcomed that hurdle is lowered or even removed. People snicker and whisper among themselves about anyone who is different than them, not just about overweight people ofcourse. I'm just focusing about the attitude towards overweight people because this thread is about that and as we have example here of this harmful behaviour and it seems to be mostly accepted, including by the moderation team.
cromofo
Member
Well man, you'd have to alter human nature to change this shit.
We're all shallow, some of us more, some of us less, but most of us keep it to ourselves.
That's life. Feels wrong to say this, but people should just get thicker skin. I know it's not always possible but still...
autumnleaf
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I've been going to the gym almost daily for 7 years and never seen any laughing, mocking, disrespecting or anything of overweight people. Most people are decent human beings.
UnemployedVillain
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But you're pointing out a handful of posts in a thread that's at almost 900 posts. I don't think that counts as "mostly accepted" unless you expect all those posts to result in instant bans
Humans have been progressing on their acceptance of other people and in taking others in consideration, we shouldn't stop now. Thicker skin isn't the best solution, it's just accepting it without things changing for the better. But ofcourse it's better to brush off offensive behaviour by others rather than dwell on it and letting it affect you, but it's not something we should demand when the victim isn't the problem. It's not an easy task to everyone.
Well yes, "I don't want to look at fatties" is something I'd expect to be punishable in a place like Neogaf. Do you think it's something we should allow people to say here? It's just an insult, it has no value in discussion. It's a Youtube comment. And yes I'm stereotyping Youtube comments.
Please. No matter what political stance GAF might have, they (we?) WORSHIP body and body image. Worship, adore, sacrifice lambs to it, call it whatever you want to .
This is the site where threads regularly get locked down due to conversations being reduced down to one women's gif being reposted 20-30 times with bueno/sweaty gif reactions. Please.
And this site has one of the highest quality community online.
Do you REALLY not think that this is something that exists in real life and is used/presented widely, regularly, in the mainstream?
Lets drop the pretense and acknowledge that although "perfect" bodies can be achieved, they are quite hard goals to strive for, and we are not optimal machines striving for perfection in every moment of our lives. People have different priorities, for some, passing an exam is more important than maintaining healthy diet and regular exercise. Or taking care of family members, kids, etc. Or dealing with preexisting conditions. You know, life. And this part does not show up on the billboards and magazine covers everywhere. Only the photoshopped, perfected result.
Lets not act that comic books aint part of the problem. They absolutely are.
cromofo
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I'm specifically talking about being shallow. I doubt there is much progress to be made in that regard.
Teaching people to be respectful and keep it to themselves/not hurt others; yes.