QuicheFontaine
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I think so. This one was for the election, which is over and done with now.
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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
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I think so. This one was for the election, which is over and done with now.
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Dirtyshubb
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This thread being in OT does really help with our awareness and it will be a real shame when we all get relegated back to community with wresslegaf and popgaf like a forgotten sideshow
like the Tories are making the UK right now
Don't worry, we'll have another GE soon enough
Dirtyshubb
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Why are you so happy with another general election?! The country is in a mess and this just causes more problems!
Because it means we get to stay in OT on Gaf which is clearly more important.
Going back to OT now would feel like being Harry Pottter having to go back to the Dudleys for Christmas after living at Hogwarts.
Because it means we get to stay in OT on Gaf which is clearly more important.
Going back to OT now would feel like being Harry Pottter having to go back to the Dudleys for Christmas after living at Hogwarts.
I'd say it's only done with once a Queen's Speech has been passed
Huw_Dawson
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'tis the fate of all communities to one day be put to rest in the wheat fields of the Community fora.
Today is the first day of Brexit negotiations! There's no plan, no authority, and the chief UK negotiator might well be PM in a month.
Today is the first day of Brexit negotiations! There's no plan, no authority, and the chief UK negotiator might well be PM in a month.
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Yeah, that seems like a good point. I mean, once the Queen's Speech is passed then parliament's session is officially set and we have a new start mark for talking about what's happening. But I guess this thread has a few days left in it yet.
Audioboxer
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Yup, there's things that the Labour MPs fall in-line with the Tories on that gets them being given the side eye from potential voters who may like the party overall. Being "Tory-lite" by Scottish standards is a part of the puzzle as to why they got wiped out in 2015.... Then we go and vote largely for the Tories in 2017 /stillsalty
Based SNP above, and okay Huw, Lib Dems too
Spuck-uk
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Oh ho ho we're so fucked.
Going into negotiations without a functional government to back things up, how could this go wrong?
it's better than going into it with a government that knows it can intentional tank the deal and remain in power.
Just out for a late lunch after a seminar on the impact of Brexit and GDPR going forward.
Essentially, it doesn't matter what data protection regime the UK comes up with, if it's not GDPR compliant (and there's not an adequacy agreement) the UK will not be trading much if any services with the EU. Digital services will be the most affected.
Nice sovereignty you've got there...
Essentially, it doesn't matter what data protection regime the UK comes up with, if it's not GDPR compliant (and there's not an adequacy agreement) the UK will not be trading much if any services with the EU. Digital services will be the most affected.
Nice sovereignty you've got there...
Bunch of idiotic cunts will just call this fake news or trumpian b.s.
Fixed for you.
Actually, that could read week and a bit ago.
10pm on Thursday 8th changed everything
UpDownLeftRight
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Yup. Personally I'm more comfortable with the current scenario then sending the crazy bitch over on a power trip.
JonnyDBrit
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Miles Quaritch
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It'll be okay, that's just scaremongering. Project Fear 2.0.
And if it isn't, eh... your loss is a sacrifice worth making so a few old people can die knowing you won't have it as good as them.
Maybe you can retrain?
Failing that, those fields won't harvest themselves.
And if it isn't, eh... your loss is a sacrifice worth making so a few old people can die knowing you won't have it as good as them.
Maybe you can retrain?
Failing that, those fields won't harvest themselves.
Everything here is IT services. We host Terabytes worth of data for EU clients, that will all have to be moved offshore somewhere.
I will lose my home safe in the knowledge that my racist old neighbour who hates the mentally ill bloke down the road because he's black managed to stick one up at the EU
Theonik
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Yes. As for as the EU is concerned data needs to remain in the EU for the most part. I think I addressed this in a post somewhere. The impact will be immense especially if the EU goes forward with plans to further strengthen data protections which the UK might not want to adopt. Any lenience it got as a member is gone once it leaves.
Yeah, I was at a talk with UKIE about the games industry when data was brought up. From what I remember, the EU demands the strictest data protections, including EU member data travelling within the US?
If so, the UK backdoor buffet ain't happening. I wouldn't put it past the Tories to try, though.
QuicheFontaine
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I just googled "GDPR compliant countries" and apparently Uruguay has one of them adequacy thingies. Any reason to think we wouldn't be able to get one?
Sovereignty (111!!), You have accept primacy of EU law. Good luck.
Theonik
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Snooper's Charter. A lot of T. May's investigatory wankery is insanely harmful to commerce which is why the entire industry is trying to lobby to stop her.
But she will not listen. And the continent will have none of that. Accepting GDPR compliance as well is to make foreign regulations part of your domestic law.
QuicheFontaine
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So Argentina, New Zealand and Uruguay "accept primacy of EU law"? I thought the Commission just assessed their protections and said yeah they're ok.
Yes otherwise they wouldn't have access to any EU data.
PJV3
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I don't know about those countries but the British government is going to mirror EU law on the subject.
I imagine No deal isn't going to be useful in that department either.
Pretty much. If you want to get the GDPR from the EU, you have to accept the primary principles as part of your domestic law. As Theonik pointed out, the snooper's charter is a complete breach of personal privacy and the EU won't have any of it, since it leaves a loophole for anyone else to exploit. That alone sinks any any chance of the UK gain GDPR compliance.
Theonik
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Think of it this way. By definition, if your legal protections are deemed to be lesser than what the EU requires then you cannot comply, so you must accept the EU's restrictions.
Same goes with selling any good or service in the continent after leaving even without an FTA. Before the single market companies had to make sure their products complied with the regulations of some 27 different countries to sell them over there.
True, the point is don't count them out. Things change fast.
All I can really say is since the day after the Brexit vote we've had customers interested in having us move our hosting to another EU nation
In practice of course this company already has satellite offices in the EU, so with remote management its possible to throw up a bunch of hardware in say, a datacentre in Paris, but that's going to cost a lot of money to set up, and looking to the future will probably hurt job prospects for those of us in the industry, not to mention UK datacentres (there are a lot of them, but you wouldn't really notice because they generally look like unlabelled warehouses)
QuicheFontaine
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That sounds like we would definitely get an adequacy agreement in that case? What's everyone getting their knickers in a twist for?
The EU sets standards for data protection. If you comply with the standards (and there is both a 4 year recheck and the EC is tasked with monitoring 3rd party countries from any deviation between those rechecks) then you can be deemed adequate. If your "sovereign" parliament decides, I don't know, to open up all personal data to law enforcement then you're no longer adequate and the EC prohibits all data flow from member states.
There are some exceptions and entities within non adequate countries can adopt EU standards to become adequately compliant themselves. (a major thrust of the seminar) However if you have something as wideranging as the snoopers charter or the derogation of end to end encryption it's next to impossible to see how any UK based company could be adequately compliant.
Royal_Phalanx
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I thought you people wanted to take back control of your own laws and not have someone else make them for you
QuicheFontaine
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Interesting. The City State of London then? Or would everything just be shifted to Jersey / Guernsey / IoM?
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Honest, but with a hint of savagery. I like it.
Theonik
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It is much more likely you lose single market access for those entire industries or a no-deal scenario is reached. It's really difficult for the Tories to carry on with their committments while still complying which is why May wanted a 'screw the economy hardest brexit ahoy' approach. It's pretty hard for her to do that now.
Regions or businesses (providing there is an underlying legal framework in the country to allow for redress and which allows them to comply) can agree Model Clauses or Binding Corporate Rules with the commission.
The UK will initially be compliant but it'll need to work to stay there. You don't have to exactly mirror GDPR clause for clause but the legal framework should be roughly equivalent in totality.
Also keeps the hated EUJ bug bear. To get an agreement would require furious
Backpedaling because what little May has shared is precisely the opposite.
Charles Brandon
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All this shit about backdoors and internet crackdowns is 100% coming directly from TM herself, she was always pushing this nonsense as Home Sec. I expect it will all get dropped when she gets the boot.
She's desperately trying to turn the news into a "what have you got to hide?" Shit
. I hope the media isn't idiotic enough to fall for it.
the difference is that labour wasn't in power last year
Yeah, I suspect you are right about that.
KimonoNoNo
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I not so sure as Rudd still kept popping up banging on about encryption.
I think they'll keep her as a shield during the negotiations. She's been Jeremy Cunted a useful idiot to let others such as Boris fly under the radar.
She only has a majority of a few hundred iirc. She isn't in a position of power.
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