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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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To think here we are mocking Theressa May when she has all this planned. I mean look at it, just look at it SPACE PORTS. Who cares if we let the poor burn to death in shoddy social housing we are getting mother fucking SPACE PORTS.

What pisses me off the most about this is I'd genuinely love it if our country could be more involved in the field but this is totally not the time when we've got so much shit to worry about.
 
Frankly if I was the queen I would just walk around with two massive air conditioners continually blowing on me I don't care what the electricity comes from we can bankrupt the National Grid if we have to but it is far far too warm in London to do anything other than complain about how warm it is right now.
*checks daily high*
33ºc
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To think here we are mocking Theressa May when she has all this planned. I mean look at it, just look at it SPACE PORTS. Who cares if we let the poor burn to death in shoddy social housing we are getting mother fucking SPACE PORTS.

(oh and I just have to add that the picture in the independent of the aforementioned !!!!!SPACE PORTS!!! is such a British idea of what a space port would look like. A sort of cross between a third rate knackered airport and cobbled together RAF base)

Oddly enough, there's a Warren Ellis book dealing precisely with that scenario. Pretty good read too, even if THE TWIST is downright laughable.
 
Wait, is it quite hot out there at the moment?

I'd never have guessed, what with literally every fucking human being I've come into contact with this week feeling the need to mention how hot it is.
 
Anyone know why BBC news was late? Just watched Huw_Edwards staring into space for 4 minutes on news 24.

I was watching BBC1 on iPlayer, they had a total stinker. The presenter announced the news which started with a static picture of the Barclays bankers then cut quickly to Huw Edwards looking quizzical with some random camera zooms (shout out to Sony, the OGs). Another cut back to a run down of Wednesday night's programmes before playing some smooth jazz while they frantically mashed buttons. The show was still fucked though once they started, every news highlight at the start had BREAKING NEWS animations inbetween.

Made my evening, sad to say.

Explanation from Beeb:

https://twitter.com/paulroyall/status/877274657333837826
 
As an American I will never get used to seeing the UK conservative party represented by the color blue.

Just so damn bizarre to me.

It's that way in almost every country except in the U.S., actually.

Red is for Left/Socialist/Social Democrats, and blue for Right/Christian/Conservatives.

Yellow is normally used for third-way/center-left/liberal parties, like the Lib-Dems or Macron's En Marche. Or the PRD here in Mexico.
 
As an American I will never get used to seeing the UK conservative party represented by the color blue.

Just so damn bizarre to me.

I believe the Republicans used to be blue and Democrats red until 2000.

Da fuq? Paddy Power are Irish?

Best twitter response:

did paddy power get bought by UKIP when I wasn't looking?

Gobshites.


Paddy Power love to do puerile marketing stunts plus I imagine a good chunk of their audience are the kind of easy marks that would be fooled by Farage/Boris.
 
If the Conservative party wanted to restore its image of being reliable custodians of the government and economy then they should reverse Brexit. To do otherwise will ruin themselves and the country further. It will hurt their immediate electoral prospects, but to be the party that brought about the impending ruin will be far worse.
 
If only the Brexit referendum was advisory and not binding. Then we could escape this insane mess.... oh.

That's kind of a cheat though. Whats the point in a referendum if you're only going to ignore the result if you don't like it?

Do think that a threshold should have been set though

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and backing my home-ownership point from earlier.

Surely this boils back down to age again though? Presumably most home owners are old people who have paid off their mortgages, and renters tend to be younger people
 
If the Conservative party wanted to restore its image of being reliable custodians of the government and economy then they should reverse Brexit. To do otherwise will ruin themselves and the country further. It will hurt their immediate electoral prospects, but to be the party that brought about the impending ruin will be far worse.

They don't care for the country, they only care for themselves.
 
That's kind of a cheat though. Whats the point in a referendum if you're only going to ignore the result if you don't like it?

This actually happens frequently!

Direct democracy is bad, especially when operating parallel to existing democratic structures.

We definitely could do with big changes to how our democracy is organised (different voting system, reform Lords) but it is vastly superior to direct democracy.

They don't care for the country, they only care for themselves.

For sure. But it would be better for them long term to reverse it. Theresa May should use the opportunity to u-turn again and go back to being a remainer. She has no reputation left to ruin. Make it her betrayal but make sure we do not leave.
 
This actually happens frequently!

Direct democracy is bad, especially when operating parallel to existing democratic structures.

We definitely could do with big changes to how our democracy is organised (different voting system, reform Lords) but it is vastly superior to direct democracy.

I absolutely agree - I just think the idea that there is almost a clause to the referendum saying "btw we wont do this if we disagree with the answer" is silly, whats the point in holding it then?

Plus, can you imagine the reaction from Leave voters if they did that? They would justifiably be absolutely furious
even more so than now, when they actually won!
 
This Queen's Speech is going to be even more pathetically flimsy than usual.

What a shower.

Wait, is it quite hot out there at the moment?

I'd never have guessed, what with literally every fucking human being I've come into contact with this week feeling the need to mention how hot it is.

Have you lived in the UK long? Talking about the weather is sort of our national pastime.

As an American I will never get used to seeing the UK conservative party represented by the color blue.

Just so damn bizarre to me.

You lot only picked your colours in 2000, and you got them wrong.

Red has been associated with the Left since the French Revolution, which occurred only shortly after your country came into existence, so you've got no excuses for taking so long and still fucking it up.
 
Those people are always angry. It was a stupid vote for political gain, nothing more. May was stupid triggering article 50 which just means we can't roll it back to that sweet deal we had.
 
That's kind of a cheat though. Whats the point in a referendum if you're only going to ignore the result if you don't like it?

Do think that a threshold should have been set though

The result was so close though, treating it as a landslide for a mandate and setting in wheels in motion for something that cannot be undone was reckless. Polls now suggest remain would win today. It was advisory and should have been treated as such, the consequences of leaving and what plan would be in place should all have been done long before triggering article 50.
 
I absolutely agree - I just think the idea that there is almost a clause to the referendum saying "btw we wont do this if we disagree with the answer" is silly, whats the point in holding it then?

Plus, can you imagine the reaction from Leave voters if they did that? They would justifiably be absolutely furious
even more so than now, when they actually won!

They'll be furious if we leave and the foreigners don't go away. They'll be furious if the EU enforces a big payment as part of the divorce bill. They'll be furious when the economy declines, when their pay in real terms drops. They voted for suicide. Except that pulling the trigger won't even achieve their goals.

You are quite correct that ignoring referenda because you disagree with the result is absurd. But the referendum was absurd in the first place. Leave voters are fools to a man and their idiotic dreams should be ignored for their own good. The idea that you could run a campaign to leave without any idea of what that new Britain would entail is insane and irresponsible. To redraw all trade agreements and restructure the legal system requires enormous forethought and planning. I could respect a leave campaign that had done so. A responsible government would reverse the leaving process.

It is why the lies of the leave campaign are so damaging. They were promised the world and when you try to do the best for them they will rant and rave and moan till kingdom come.
 
Daaaamn love how confident labour are being, really helps contrast with the Tories reputation at the moment.

In general, McDonnell should be neither heard nor seen. He's got a long list of making extremely aggressive comments which he has to then row back on when he's called out on. He's probably the smartest guy in the Shadow Cabinet (outside Starmer) but he's never really managed to moderate his language at all.
 
Nope this Queens speech is going to determine the course of the UK for the next 100 years. We truly are going to go to the stars and it starts with the Queens speech tomorrow :-



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...riverless-cars-spaceships-ports-a7798001.html

To think here we are mocking Theressa May when she has all this planned. I mean look at it, just look at it SPACE PORTS. Who cares if we let the poor burn to death in shoddy social housing we are getting mother fucking SPACE PORTS.

(oh and I just have to add that the picture in the independent of the aforementioned !!!!!SPACE PORTS!!! is such a British idea of what a space port would look like. A sort of cross between a third rate knackered airport and cobbled together RAF base)
Well, we need to look somewhere for those post EU free trade deals...
 
Illegal aliens

Ahh, not so fast Britain. You heard your Queen, we've got adventures to go on Britain. Just you and me, and sometimes the DUP, and sometimes Phillip Hammond, but NEVER Jeremy Corbyn! You wanna know why Britain? Because he UPSTAGED me. Oh it gets darker Britain... Welcome to the darkest year of our adventures. First thing that's different, no more Corbyn, Britain. He threatened to turf me out of the government, so I made him and the Labour Party go away... I prevenuuurpted them as the defacto-Prime Minister of your country, AND your Empire. Your grandma wouldn't have accepted me if I ran without fucking over you and your sister. So now you know the REAL reason I ran on fucking over the young. I JUST TOOK OVER THE COUNTRY, BRITAIN! And if you tell your grandma I said anything about a dementia tax, I'll DENY anything has changed. And they'll take my side, because I'm a Conservative, Britain. And now you're gonna have to do whatever I say, Britain, FOREVER! A-and I-I'll go out and find some more of that majority Conservative and Unionist government, Britain. Because that's, that's what this is all about Britain! Th-that's my one arm man. I'm not driven by leaving the European Union, Britain. Britain, that was FAKE! I-I'm driven by winning that, Conservative majority. I want that Conservative and Unionist majority, Britain. That's my series arc Britain! If it takes 5 more years seasons, I WANT MY MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, MAJORITY CONSERVATIVE AND UNIONIST GOVERNMENT BRITAIN! TH-THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TAKE US, ALL THE WAY TO THE END BRITAIN! PARLIAMENTS, 9 MORE PARLIAMENTS BRITAIN! 9 MORE PARLIAMENTS UNTIL I GET THAT CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY GOVERNMENT! FOR 45 MORE YEARS BRITAIN! I WANT THAT CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY BRITAIN!!!
 
The result was so close though, treating it as a landslide for a mandate and setting in wheels in motion for something that cannot be undone was reckless. Polls now suggest remain would win today. It was advisory and should have been treated as such, the consequences of leaving and what plan would be in place should all have been done long before triggering article 50.

They'll be furious if we leave and the foreigners don't go away. They'll be furious if the EU enforces a big payment as part of the divorce bill. They'll be furious when the economy declines, when their pay in real terms drops. They voted for suicide. Except that pulling the trigger won't even achieve their goals.

You are quite correct that ignoring referenda because you disagree with the result is absurd. But the referendum was absurd in the first place. Leave voters are fools to a man and their idiotic dreams should be ignored for their own good. The idea that you could run a campaign to leave without any idea of what that new Britain would entail is insane and irresponsible. To redraw all trade agreements and restructure the legal system requires enormous forethought and planning. I could respect a leave campaign that had done so. A responsible government would reverse the leaving process.

It is why the lies of the leave campaign are so damaging. They were promised the world and when you try to do the best for them they will rant and rave and moan till kingdom come.

Agree with both of you, just not that using advisory referendum is a way to get out of Brexit

Really it should have just never been offered in the first place
But if it was, it should have had a threshold before doing anything. Then you can make the argument "there isn't enough consensus on this, so we will stay the same"
Oh, and the question shouldnt have been such a broad yes/no one.
And EU residents in the UK should have been allowed to vote in it.
And UK residents in the EU too.
And 16/17 year olds.

Christ I hate Cameron, the number of mistakes there almost makes me think hes a secret Leave supporter!

Illegal aliens

*legal aliens, thank you very much
 
Nope this Queens speech is going to determine the course of the UK for the next 100 years. We truly are going to go to the stars and it starts with the Queens speech tomorrow :-



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...riverless-cars-spaceships-ports-a7798001.html

To think here we are mocking Theressa May when she has all this planned. I mean look at it, just look at it SPACE PORTS. Who cares if we let the poor burn to death in shoddy social housing we are getting mother fucking SPACE PORTS.

(oh and I just have to add that the picture in the independent of the aforementioned !!!!!SPACE PORTS!!! is such a British idea of what a space port would look like. A sort of cross between a third rate knackered airport and cobbled together RAF base)

Magic Space Money Tree
 
In general, McDonnell should be neither heard nor seen. He's got a long list of making extremely aggressive comments which he has to then row back on when he's called out on. He's probably the smartest guy in the Shadow Cabinet (outside Starmer) but he's never really managed to moderate his language at all.

I don't like him at all. Too extreme.
 
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