Master Yoshi
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No words.
CBO score on Senate GOP health bill released, 22M more uninsured relative to ACA
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Brawly Likes to Brawl
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"poor?" Those people are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires until they personally get screwed over, in which they'll either be demoralized to vote or switch to blue until the siren song of telling others to strap up their boots starts ringing in their ears again.
Four of those five are Cruz, Lee, Johnson and Rand. Having any faith in them is an exercise in suicide.
This passing depends on three votes: Heller, Murkowski and Collins.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Yikes. So the GOP just assumes doing this will cause more health insurance providers to offer health insurance for cheaper?
Also is there a way to tell exactly who benefits from the tax cuts? Is it really just the top 1%? I'm trying to figure out how Republican voters can justify this and what they get out of it.
Also is there a way to tell exactly who benefits from the tax cuts? Is it really just the top 1%? I'm trying to figure out how Republican voters can justify this and what they get out of it.
Ziltoidia 9
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Does it talk about if group insurance people would see a decrease?
Sorry...can't read it all now.
Sorry...can't read it all now.
Premiums for most seniors would triple or quadruple. Their most consistent voting block. Its like they're daring to get slaughtered in the midterms.
Ted Cruz literally argued for the return of catastrophic plans a few days ago...
They're looking at just the costs, but not the care. We used to have a system that could deny heart medicine because you had tinnitus, and these motherfuckers are bringing us as close back to that time as they can.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
They justify the tax break to "trickle down" bullshit
maabus1999
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Does anyone even know if there is a mechanism to pay that tax credit upfront easily as a poor family would never be able to afford insurance upfront then claim a tax credit down the road?
psynergylover
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Repeal and get fucked over.
OriginofHysteria
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7 years to come up with something better. 7 years.
Which is oddly hilarious because those people voted for this bullshit.
Rodeo Clown
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The ACA put taxes on the ultra wealthy to fund the tax credits that go to lower and middle class people so they can buy insurance on the marketplace at rates they can actually afford. This gets rid of that. It's literally a tax cut for the ultra rich by gutting health care for the rest of us.
It'll lower the cost of plans by having them not cover anything. Part of the ACA is "essential health benefits," which covers things like pregnancy, ambulance rides, prescriptions, a ton more. This bill gets rid of qualifications of essential benefits. They will offer you plans for dirt cheap that don't cover shit to lower premiums. An absolute farce.
balladofwindfishes
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There's still a mandate. It isn't a fine, but you just can't get insurance for 6 months.
Because that totally makes sense.
Glitchesarecool
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Congrats GOP you did it, you repealed Obamacare. You somehow managed to fucking pull it off because there's probably only one (nevada) who will defect.
Might as well just go put a gun to my head.
Might as well just go put a gun to my head.
Officerrob
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I remember when I was young and naive...
I can. Americans would do all kinds of stupid things if the Republicans told them it was a good idea.
Rodeo Clown
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And if you want to get insurance again, it'll be at triple the rates you had before. Rock solid bill they got here.
this isnt repealing obamacare, its just making it a lot worse.
It's WealthCare!
BobTheFork
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Thank God we passed that law making it impossible to publicly oppose a bill and still vote YES on it....
Man-is-Obsolete
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Which has been proven to not work again and again. The entire right wing ideology is "fuck you, I got mine". That is more true for the people at the top as well, including the president of the United States that represents them, who used charity money for his own benefit.
Glitchesarecool
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It's "replacing" the ACA which is what they'll tout as a victory.
Rebel Leader
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Do you hear that?
It's the AARP!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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That can happen when there was never a genuine intention to improve lives.
They were too busy complaining. There's only so much time in the day.
Neuromancer
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The freedom to get sick and die
Glitchesarecool
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The vote is this week. Lobby groups won't be able to do anything.
benicillin
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It's not about this week, it's about the midterms when senators are going to have to defend why 15 million people (and 4 million people with employee health insurance) lost coverage *that year.*
Sho_Nuff82
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Given the demographic numbers for the GOP I'm kind of confused that they only gave savings to poor young people and told seniors to get fucked.
Alcotholic
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This was their intention.
ACA was already modeled after the GOP's plan for healthcare. Of course, since Obama and Democrats adopted it, the GOP had no choice but to go further right.
And this is the result.
Glitchesarecool
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Oh yeah, that does a lot to make me feel better when the ACA was all I had for health insurance.
There are plenty of people on this board who can't even afford their medication without it.
Rodeo Clown
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I really don't like this line of thinking. Yes, Congresspeople that vote for this will have it thrown back at them when it comes time for re-election, but real people are going to get hurt because of this bill. The lives of American citizens isn't some political game of wins and losses.
Autodidact
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They know they can't govern and they want to lose so Democrats will take all the blame. I can't conceive of any other explanation.
Bruce Springsteen
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I'll be shocked if it didn't pass
benicillin
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Hey, don't put words in my mouth. This isn't a political game to me, this bill is horrifying, but the poster was saying lobby groups couldn't do anything this week, which they can't, but the GOP isn't thinking about this week, they're thinking about the 2018 midterms.
Trump's constant tweets about Dems being obstructionists would for once be right as I doubt Dems would play ball with Trump.
Also Trump got his less mean health care bill.
BobTheFork
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...since when?
I love the sentiment, but how this is being approached is very clear.
IrishNinja
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i keep telling myself this could pave the way for proper UHC/single payer or something, but the amount of people in need hurt/dying between now & then is just repulsive
yeah thanks for letting everyone know all the time
yeah thanks for letting everyone know all the time
Vicetrailia
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Why do you even want this? Principals?
hydragonwarrior
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"He tells it like it is."