It works iff there are people that visit for the sake of the Queen that wouldn't visit otherwise.
UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
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The Friendly Monster
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Give me a number, Euro Disney has 13.4 million visitors a year.
If you want to count the numbers that visit the Royal residences, you will notice how low they are compared to Versailles or Neuschwannstein, which are in countries without active royalty.
Note that having an active monarchy actually prevents year long tourist opening hours at their multitude of estates.
The Royals usually aren't seen outside of relatively few public occasions. I doubt people are making trips for the express purpose of seeing a Windsor in the flesh given the chances of doing so are almost non-existent. People visit the buildings, for the history and for the pageantry. If anything in terms of directly making money the Royals get in the way by actually occupying the buildings preventing tourist access. Versailles proves that since the history isn't going anywhere, the attraction remains even when the institution does not.
I get that there will be some people for whom that is an attraction, but given the vanishingly small chance to see the Queen outside of particular public events, I think you can safely chalk up the impact, outside those public events, as being nominal.
The potential added tourist value in being able to fully open up access to Royal sites (not to mention the value of repurposing some of them, as done with the Louvre) has to be considered as well, and I can't imagine how it wouldn't offset the lost revenue by many times over.
As I said, I don't know how much tourism the royal family actually generate.
If I had to guess I'd say we're probably better off without them.
I will agree with this, especially if (as kmag has pointed out) much of what the crown currently owns would simply be owned by the state instead.
KarneeKarnay
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I'm pro-monarchy. I like have a royal family. It may just be symbolic right now, but it's a symbol I think we Brits need. The King/Queen is the face of our nature much more than any PM. We don't need a Monarchy, but culturally I think we would be poorer without them.
Yes, it seems a good number are pretty happy being subservient twats. At least they know their place. A
The Friendly Monster
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Likewise, they are far from the biggest problem at the moment. In fact even if they were abolished and the state seized their land, the Tories would probably just sell it off to their rich twatty friends at the next possible opportunity.
JonnyDBrit
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Oh hey, a fellow Extra History fan. Sup?
Audioboxer
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Sturgeon is going to trash the indyref2 dream in 7 minutes
It's unwinnable right now anyway.Sturgeon is going to trash the indyref2 dream in 7 minutes
Sturgeon is going to trash the indyref2 dream in 7 minutes
I don't think she is. She's probably going to say she'll give Holyrood a vote on any proposed Brexit deal. Pass and no indyref2, fail and they'll put it to the people.
Theonik
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You laugh but Walpole's brutal politics all but eradicated the Tories for the better part of 7 decades removing them completely from all levels of government and ending them as an organised party by 1760.
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The only good thing to come out of the whole GE shambles was seeing that divisive, toxic little cunt and her minions of bigots put back in their box.
A large majority of seats is back in the box? Interesting...
Audioboxer
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It was never for right now! It was always in place for a bunged Brexit deal. If it truly comes off the table it will have to go through the Scottish Parliament again (I'd assume).
If she says it's just going into the background to wait on Brexit Ruth will have a shit-fit and we'll continue again with the one-note Tory campaigning up in Scotland.
Lose/lose all around. I just want to be able to vote on escaping the almost inevitable Brexit fuck up. The DUP deal will be a small insight into the Strong and Stable negotiating skills for Brexit.
Uncertain if you know what the word bigot actually means.
Theonik
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You must be fun at parties.
Coming from a Tory, that's pretty rich. You have your own bigots to worry about.
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No, what's rich is seeing the millennial meat-heads cry about a Conservative - DUP deal when they wanted an IRA lackey to be the PM.
I guess only one side of Northern Irish politics is unacceptable to the left.
Only way to avoid brexit is emigration dude. SNP and Indy have passed their peak imo. Support will continue to slowly ebb away.
Better putting energy into emigrating than trying to fight against the current.
Wasn't even talking about the DUP.
You're a perfect daily mail stereotype. It's incredible.
BossDarkseid
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Why is it when people want to disparage a group they bring out things like "millenial meat-heads" when other times they could have a conversation or debate without getting all lazy about it?
I mean how many sources did you check before coming to the conclusion that Corbyn is/was an IRA lackey?
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I don't read the Daily Mail.
I was watching that twat Corbyn being the IRA's man on the mainland before you were born.
You can attempt to re-write history and deny his role all you want..but I was there.
Does it only get 500k/year? That'd mean Warwick Castle gets more, which I find really, really weird.
Fuck yeah!
Everybody criticising Theresa May's weak and wobbly leadership, as if Corbyn would have been strong and stable?!
Everybody criticising the Conservative - DUP deal when voting Labour would've brought about a COALITION OF CHAOS!
Everybody criticising the Conservative's new-found magic money tree when Labour's costed manifesto shows they'd have been fiscally irresponsible!
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You certainly argue like one of their moronic readers, or perhaps it is an argument for the effects of ageing on infantilization?
In what way?
Was he? I mean he could have been in government colluding with unionist death squads like the Tories.
Most of the DUP criticism I've seen has been regarding their backwards views on e.g. women and gay rights.
Their shitty past is only brought up to point out the hypocrisy from Tory supporters who complained about Corbyn's IRA links.
That means you were there for the tories conspiring with unionist murderers.
Btw "i was there" means precisely nowt, it doesn't matter atall and is a piss poor argument for anything.
Necessary. 2017 GE became a vote for/against independence. Next GE needs to be a vote for/against the Tories.
Bit rich considering that the Tories have put one side in government and spent the election period using the other to smear Corbyn
Channel 4's FactCheck has what I would describe as a balanced view on Corbyn's links with the IRA: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland
For me, the "he was brokering for peace" argument doesn't wash, as that seems to imply that he was meeting both sides, which he simply wasn't. I don't particularly like the "Well, the Tories did bad things too" argument, mainly because of the "too". Diane Abbott's explanation, that she changed her opinion like she changed her hairstyle, seems at least more honest.
For me, the "he was brokering for peace" argument doesn't wash, as that seems to imply that he was meeting both sides, which he simply wasn't. I don't particularly like the "Well, the Tories did bad things too" argument, mainly because of the "too". Diane Abbott's explanation, that she changed her opinion like she changed her hairstyle, seems at least more honest.
Theonik
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lmfao
Of course there is other factors to consider here wrt to NI. In that it just Gerry Adams that had his voice literally muted on the BBC while being an MP in NI.
The concern was that the Nationalist voice was not being heard, not to listen to both sides. Thatcher's government kept back channels into the IRA at the same time.
Sturgeon is going to trash the indyref2 dream in 7 minutes
Good.
Audioboxer
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That was well handled and said by Sturgeon, but it's the way things should have been framed from the start. She made a mistake there. The snap election did do the most damage. At the end of the day, people simply need to see tangible proof/evidence of what the Brexit deal will be and how the Tories are handling it. Going in with a minority government propped up by the DUP certainly hasn't done them any favours since the election xD
It's utterly appalling both Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives will continue to completely ignore her remarks on fighting hard for a soft-Brexit/single market and to "get a seat" at the Brexit negotiations. The largest irony there will continue to be is if reflection on Brexit after it's concluded in Scotland is that's it's a total mess that will itself sway people's minds.
As expected Davidson will just tow the party line, but Scottish Labour/Dugdale continue to show how they're just going to be Tory-lite in Scotland. It's rather funny to watch Corbyn go all in on May/Brexit, but Dugdale veering off to "ally" with the Scottish Tories.
Well, it's not what happened, so you won't be that happy.
I disagree. Many people just need to see more clarity around Brexit. The election ending in a hung parliament and the resulting DUP deal will have given some food for thought about what people are voting for too. I aim that at Unionists up here who switched from Labour to Conservative especially. Dugdale behaves far too much like a Scottish Tory, but a vote for Labour was still largely a vote for Corbyn.
It's utterly appalling both Scottish Labour and Scottish Conservatives will continue to completely ignore her remarks on fighting hard for a soft-Brexit/single market and to "get a seat" at the Brexit negotiations. The largest irony there will continue to be is if reflection on Brexit after it's concluded in Scotland is that's it's a total mess that will itself sway people's minds.
As expected Davidson will just tow the party line, but Scottish Labour/Dugdale continue to show how they're just going to be Tory-lite in Scotland. It's rather funny to watch Corbyn go all in on May/Brexit, but Dugdale veering off to "ally" with the Scottish Tories.
Well, it's not what happened, so you won't be that happy.
I disagree. Many people just need to see more clarity around Brexit. The election ending in a hung parliament and the resulting DUP deal will have given some food for thought about what people are voting for too. I aim that at Unionists up here who switched from Labour to Conservative especially. Dugdale behaves far too much like a Scottish Tory, but a vote for Labour was still largely a vote for Corbyn.
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Huw_Dawson
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It does make sense for Sturgeon to roll back on the 2nd ref intensity right now, for *exactly* the same reason the Lib Dems should do the same for their own 2nd ref. Too divisive, too many people thinking "I would vote remain/yes in another referendum but I don't think we should have one now".
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Mentioning Scottish Independence always brings at least one of the crazies like him out. Theyre as easily triggered as a millennial meat head.
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