Jawmuncher
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Damned if you do, Damned if you don't
Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster |DT2| oh dear...
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at this point, pretty much.
Free dlc CHARACTERS is the best way to go about this. Other than that hope and pray the spidey/venom reveals brings some hype back.
That's true. The real solution to this is they should have never been in this situation in the first place.
Sure, but damned with a better product is arguably better.
JeTmAn81
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There isn't anything a delay would do to qualitatively improve the game for me unless they added a bunch of characters to the base game which they wouldn't do anyway. I don't really care about the graphics, the game looks good enough to me and it's not something you think about during actual matches anyway.
If delaying the game meant it garnered some good will for the community I'd be for it but otherwise I want a new Mahvel ASAP. I like the way the demo plays and I want to explore the full thing.
If delaying the game meant it garnered some good will for the community I'd be for it but otherwise I want a new Mahvel ASAP. I like the way the demo plays and I want to explore the full thing.
List of games that have been delayed recently and weren't a joke/meme type game (ie. the games actually ended up being good):
Gravity Rush 2
Horizon Zero Dawn
Nier Automata
Nioh (fucking delayed across multiple generations!)
Persona 5 (I lost count of how many times this game got delayed)
Legend of Zelda Breath of Wild
Tekken 7
Starcraft 2: Legacy of the Void
Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Witcher 3
The Division
Wow.. DAT kiss of death indeed.
It's almost as if it matters more that the game ends up being good rather than the fact it was delayed to begin with...
Delays on games happen all the time, it's not a big deal. In fact, I think in this case the opposite reaction would happen... people would actually be relieved that it's getting delayed.
Delays start being a bad thing when it's over the top like in the case of TLG and FF15.
That's infinitely better than this game being released in 2 months and being bad/incomplete and THEN those same people coming out and saying "I told you so".
What people should be concerned with is getting the best product possible, not be concerning themselves over Capcom's fiscal earnings.
Gravity Rush 2
Horizon Zero Dawn
Nier Automata
Nioh (fucking delayed across multiple generations!)
Persona 5 (I lost count of how many times this game got delayed)
Legend of Zelda Breath of Wild
Tekken 7
Starcraft 2: Legacy of the Void
Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Witcher 3
The Division
Wow.. DAT kiss of death indeed.
It's almost as if it matters more that the game ends up being good rather than the fact it was delayed to begin with...
Delays on games happen all the time, it's not a big deal. In fact, I think in this case the opposite reaction would happen... people would actually be relieved that it's getting delayed.
Delays start being a bad thing when it's over the top like in the case of TLG and FF15.
So the hell what if we get a bunch of "I told you so"?
That's infinitely better than this game being released in 2 months and being bad/incomplete and THEN those same people coming out and saying "I told you so".
What people should be concerned with is getting the best product possible, not be concerning themselves over Capcom's fiscal earnings.
stop acting like any of those have the negativity surrounding this game. There's no confidence here, there's no confidence in Capcom as a hole. Delaying is not going to aspire it.
MiguelMexMIstery
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That's true in this game's case but enzo's argument was in general
But to be fair I do believe a delay could convince some people about it. Lots of comments in other threads were about wanting a delay
I think you're in the small minority on this one.
I also disagree with some posts that a delay is some kind of kiss of death or instant meme. I can't think of a game plagued with that kind of meme, especially ones with visible improvements that people wanted.
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If a game ends up being good, people won't remember a delay
There's no confidence in Capcom because people have no confidence in Capcom to delay the game to make it better. They didn't do it with SFV and SFxT which resulted in horrible launches for both games. Those games could've benefited a lot from a delay especially in the case of SFV.
This is a self inflicted negativity that Capcom has created. They have not shown anything to curb it. No better communication (the communication has just gotten worse) and no show of good faith/will. It's tone deaf PR all around and they have let this negativity spiral out of control on their own will.
Yup. I bet if I didn't make that list, most people here wouldn't even know that some of those games were delayed to begin with.
If Marvel vs Capcom Infinite got delayed to March (where it should be releasing anyway, not this weird pre holiday September period), then no one would actually be upset that they didn't get to play it earlier in September when it was less polished. Hell people would've forgotten about a delay a few months after release anyway.
I can't even start on how many games I have played that were probably good games but ended up being bad because they were clearly rushed. Some of the games were fixed to be good later on but the bad press/reputation marred the game. Very few games/series/publishers can recover from a bad launch, the hit to the IP can be really severe on day 1.
Not saying that a delay wouldn't be good for this game, but NONE of those games have the baggage this one has going in thanks to capcom making mistakes with several other games. Other than the last guardian, none of those games are memes the way capcom games are these days.
Sounds like they have nothing to lose in the eyes of consumers by delaying it for improvements then.
Doctrine Dark
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It doesn't matter if those games lack the negativity that MVCI currently has. Releasing the game as it is will only compound the negativity and give people the same exact feeling they had with SFV. That being...Capcom will just release a game that has no business being released. A delay will at least inform people that Capcom is actually taking their product seriously and willing to work on it instead of just throwing it out there hoping for the best.
The marketing for this game has been garbage. They've had no type of communication with the community and have been quiet 95% of the time. It's stupid.
The marketing for this game has been garbage. They've had no type of communication with the community and have been quiet 95% of the time. It's stupid.
IT's def the end, but to be fair everyone thought mvc3 was the last one.
Jawmuncher
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Have they said anything about doing Ultimate or Super style games? I know they did for SFV. But if the roster gets as big as we suspect from DLC. It'd be a pretty good candidate for a complete collection much like MKXL and the like.
Doctrine Dark
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Hey, I never seen Stark's face in MVCI.
Drilbit777
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If they don't delay this and actually fix it then its going to be sent out to die. Nothing about this game seems good at all and Capcom is just proving they aren't learning from their mistakes.
Looks like he came from a 3DS game
Looks like he came from a 3DS game
IntelliHeath
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Well, where did you find the video?
Edited: found it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fPFP2LQlSQ
Next time, just posit the url too for people to check it out.
Jawmuncher
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Put the mask back on Stark
but those people will say it sucks regardless. They're a subset of those who will say it sucks if it stays on schedule. There's no point in entertaining those people. They're already lost.
There are people who don't like how it looks now and want it to be better. That's who they should worry about in terms of customer sentiment, and it seems to be a significant part of the audience.
I know there's a business cost, which is why I said, "in the eyes of consumers" earlier. Even though I want a delay, I'm not expecting one because they seemed locked in with their marketing as bad as it is.
ãInaba Residentã
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10 years
BUFF BAGWELL?
oh nice. we should be getting some more footage then soon. I forgot about the capture stations.
I rarely see games get complete editions now. It's just easier for them to discount the base game at retail/digital and then you buy the DLC.
I rarely see games get complete editions now. It's just easier for them to discount the base game at retail/digital and then you buy the DLC.
christiankid7
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Is that a color swap or an alternate costume?
Looks a bit like this color
http://ironman.wikia.com/wiki/File:Photo(443).JPG
Looks a bit like this color
http://ironman.wikia.com/wiki/File:Photo(443).JPG
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Look like Iron-Man is getting new victory pose, and I really like the alt color.
Jawmuncher
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It took long enough. They should've had that up at E3. Hopefully we get some higher level play direct feeds
LMFAO
in what world is Capcom doing this twice in a row better than a delay? Gamers have really been conditioned to the bullshit
ColonialHawk
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Got to play the VS demo at EVO and fuuuuuuck.
This game may not look great but hot damn is the gameplay there. It was mad crazy and fun.
I'm not a big Mahvel player, but I can't wait to get this and get in the lab.
This game may not look great but hot damn is the gameplay there. It was mad crazy and fun.
I'm not a big Mahvel player, but I can't wait to get this and get in the lab.
DR2K
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Jesus Christ.
JeTmAn81
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Turbanator
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The absolute latest delay this game could take is December. No later, or else it misses the holiday rush (kids can't beg their parents to get that Avengers game for Christmas) and then has to directly compete with DBF (which would be a rough comparison even if MvCI were as initially impressive as MvC3).
Besides, there's nothing more they could add after then. All a delay can really do in that time (and really needs to do) is:
-Fix up the graphics, particularly facial maps and lighting
-Touch up move effects to be more dynamic like SFV's
-Add a 4 player tag mode (and maybe a scramble or even FFA mode)
-Add in the DLC characters and make the roster an even 40
-Probably too late for this, but find a way to quickly recreate (possibly even rush) Wolverine and Wesker to show not only as good will, but to add an X-Man
Of course, the biggest assumption there is that the team is only limited by time, and not budget or, what seems to be the biggest problem, experience. If either of those stand in the way, a delay is pointless and even counter-productive, as you can't add things with a capped budget, the younger team will make the same mistakes, and a team of more experienced devs will still have to learn how to work with the new system, regardless of familiarity with the engine.
Besides, there's nothing more they could add after then. All a delay can really do in that time (and really needs to do) is:
-Fix up the graphics, particularly facial maps and lighting
-Touch up move effects to be more dynamic like SFV's
-Add a 4 player tag mode (and maybe a scramble or even FFA mode)
-Add in the DLC characters and make the roster an even 40
-Probably too late for this, but find a way to quickly recreate (possibly even rush) Wolverine and Wesker to show not only as good will, but to add an X-Man
Of course, the biggest assumption there is that the team is only limited by time, and not budget or, what seems to be the biggest problem, experience. If either of those stand in the way, a delay is pointless and even counter-productive, as you can't add things with a capped budget, the younger team will make the same mistakes, and a team of more experienced devs will still have to learn how to work with the new system, regardless of familiarity with the engine.
Releasing half baked games and fixing them later is literally one of the more prominent and criticised practices of this gaming generation.
As far as consumers are concerned I don't understand how anyone can think this is largely preferred over waiting a little longer for a compete product on purchase.
As far as consumers are concerned I don't understand how anyone can think this is largely preferred over waiting a little longer for a compete product on purchase.
Or the could delay and release it when Infinity War hits theaters.
DoctorFish
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I think the main thing is that there is no such thing as a complete product for something like this. They've been very open about how this is a service/platform, anything they release will still be far from complete and will continue to see improvements.
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