The answer is that military fetishsization and romantization of it are of of the dumbest things in existence. No, participation in murder doesn't become less participation in murder because your government told you to do it.
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John McCain has Brain Cancer
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The answer is that military fetishsization and romantization of it are of of the dumbest things in existence. No, participation in murder doesn't become less participation in murder because your government told you to do it.
But he was still a vote for it. Does pandering to goodwill really matter when you're rather to throw your vote behind it anyway?
Are you fucking kidding me?
"Get well soon"?
You know Trump is super happy about this news. Petty fucker probably is cackling right now.
Escape Goat
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Sure but has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
But he would have if it was on the floor and for that the condemnation is deserved.
Are you fucking kidding me?
"Get well soon"?
it only lacked "please recover from illness soon"
I think you're mistaking us for the GOP
Hierophant
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Hey I'm not the one voting to take healthcare away from millions so I think I'm actually way better than both of them
BossDarkseid
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You think I don't know that? McCain was a spinless sellout for sure, but if McCain dies like one person I know who died of brain cancer did, then no one deserves that, no matter how awful they are.
Yeah and I was bouncing off your comment to make a statement.
excelsiorlef
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Ummm nah.
The difference between McCain and other Republicans is that I don't believe he actually holds malice; I think he's just *wrong* about stuff, and he thinks he's fighting for what's right.
In the real world, stupidity and malice equate to the same thing, but I would not wish ill on a person who's at least trying to do what they think is right.
So feel better, John.
Also, Obama was too good for us, goddamn.
In the real world, stupidity and malice equate to the same thing, but I would not wish ill on a person who's at least trying to do what they think is right.
So feel better, John.
Also, Obama was too good for us, goddamn.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Hence my statement I didn't specifically object to your indifference to his healthcare plight, just the statement that the GOP are "attempted mass murderers" because they have a dangerously inaccurate mental model of what is the proper ratio of free market to government involvement in the healthcare sector is.
This is not mere semantics, casual hyperbole that escalates over time in hyperpartisan times has been used time after time in revolutionary or turbulent times to justify killing political enemies. I have nothing but contempt for John McCain's politics, but I'm not about to use language that would justify putting him in front of a firing squad if by some miracle there were a revolution tomorrow.
Yeah, well you worry about isolation of political beliefs and I'll worry about those affected if the GOP gets their way. I'm not here to convince people on social media or at some townhall about common sense. This isn't about some humdrum political disagreement, this is about life and death.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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You'd hope something like this would bring to the forefront his and his party's shitty views on healthcare, but somehow I'm thinking no.
I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but it must be nice for him to be able to get top tier care on the nation's dollar while attempting to make it so someone else in his position could be left to die because their insurance isn't the right kind or they're too poor to afford care.
I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but it must be nice for him to be able to get top tier care on the nation's dollar while attempting to make it so someone else in his position could be left to die because their insurance isn't the right kind or they're too poor to afford care.
Shit, did I forget the time I was going to vote to make it so a preemie born to a poor family wouldn't get the healthcare they needed.
Damn guys, what was in that punch Slayven gave me.
well literally his entire life has been dedicated to perpetuating violence against the marginalized and powerless, with the latter bits punctuated by some really astonishing hypocrisy to spice it up.
the world will be better without him in it. for what it's worth i'm glad he's getting care (because everyone should) and i hope his death is painless.
Why because we don't feel sorry for him ? That makes us human trash? So cancer equals to all the shit he did is forgiven or forgotten?
I didn't say he deserve it, I just don't have any compassion for a man who lacks it himself.
Wishing death upon a political opponent isn't going to win the Democrats elections.
Pretty much my thoughts.
Hierophant
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Lmao can't wait until George Bush dies and people fucking trip over themselves to talk about what a good man he was
Are you fucking kidding me?
"Get well soon"?
"I like people who weren't captured."
Fucking son of a bitch. He'll get to go to his funeral with full honors, too.
This is America, it very well might.
BossDarkseid
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I have not seen one post in this thread wish death upon him, even the more abrasive of posts : /
Massive Duck. C.M.
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AlexFlame116
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Yeah I'm out of this thread. It was gonna be a disaster anyways. Have fun guys.
OfficerRaichu15
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That's fine Gaf y'all are right. Honestly he is pretty terrible for what he has supported recently.
Seemed to help Trump.
What a mass up logic so a racist who thinks it's right to kill colour people to make sure they don't take over.. I mean what are you trying to say?
Because everyone dies including bad people? Dang.
So reading thru his wiki I came across...
In 1991, Cindy McCain brought an abandoned three-month-old girl needing medical treatment to the U.S. from a Bangladeshi orphanage run by Mother Teresa.[87] The McCains decided to adopt her and named her Bridget.[88]
But ya he never did anything good. I'm sure there are other things, but I won't waste my time trying to discuss them with you because you seem like an asshole.
People already softened on him because of how terrible Trump is.
Whose President right now?
What did said President say about his opponent?
I think I remember something about "second amendment people" in one of his speeches. Can you refresh my memory?
when they go low we go high sure did
Oh come on, we've all called for death penalty of acquitted minors of color, bragged about sexual assault, made objectifying comments on children, including our daughter, colluded with a foreign power to win an election, spent 8 years on a racist tirade about the origin of the first black president, fired an FBI director, and make sexist remarks to women members of press pools and first ladies of other countries. Don't try to deny it, excelsiorlef!
Given the American media's double standard between Democrats and Republicans, I doubt it.
First of all, let's be clear about what tone policing actually entails: that is, a distraction from the substance of an argument that instead targets the way that particular argument is delivered in order to avoid actually confronting the argument itself. That's not what's happening here. The substance of posters like the one I quoted serves to communicate that said posters are happy McCain has cancer -- or at the very least, not sympathetic at all. That's a sentiment that I, and I presume many others in this thread who have taken issue with some of these posts, would criticize regardless of the tone with which it was delivered. You could dress up your elation at McCain's cancer in the happiest tone there is and I would still find you at fault. So if you're going to try and utilize accusations of "tone policing" as a magic antidote against anyone who speaks out against some of the posts here, then please, at least use the term correctly.
Second, what good reason does anyone have to take his policy stance into consideration at all when responding to his diagnosis? If the idea is that when determining your feelings on a person's illness, it's important to consider their moral character, then I would argue emphatically that you don't have nearly enough information to judge McCain's moral character from his voting record in Congress -- certainly not just his singular vote in the ACA repeal bill, at any rate. In fact, that's one of the great ironies I see in all the McCain bashers in this thread is that they keep insisting that his illness is not his identity (as if these posters somehow have some special, privileged insight into McCain's identity) when in fact, neither is the information that is publicly available about his time in Congress. You know absolutely nothing about his personal moral character. I know you'll insist you do regardless because you don't like his politics, but that is in fact the truth.
Or, if the idea is that McCain is uniquely immoral because he not only has different politics than your own, but moreover has the political power to express his politics in ways that affect others, then that's also absurd. It means that, at the very least, you would be OK with any politician who has ever expressed an opinion (or acted on said opinion in some political capacity) on a morally important issue that is different than your own getting brain cancer. More significantly, if you consider that many (most?) everyday Republicans would vote for the ACA repeal bill if they had the opportunity to (that is, if they served in Congress), then you're ok with, conservatively speaking, about a quarter of the country getting brain cancer and dying. After all, McCain and anyone who supports McCain's vote on ACA repeal are morally equivalent insofar as the McCain supporter would vote against ACA if only he/she had the power to do so. The fact that those supporters simply do not have the means to do so doesn't exonerate them.
In short, I guess what I'm saying is that celebrating or expressing cool indifference at McCain's illness is silly and indefensible, and would require you to admit that you are okay with the same thing happening to a large portion of the country.
You weren't clever in the post I quoted and you're not clever here. Why are you still trying to be?
I mean, he wasn't too good for me, but I'm sorry you feel that way about yourself.
If only McCain had this kind of compassion for children across the entire USA
That didn't win him the election and you know it.
It didn't hurt him either.
They did fuck all and stood behind the orange shit stain like the little bitches they are.
Impeccable
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Wonder how much this tumour has impacted his decision making and stuff.
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