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[sphagnum]

Contrast the way this board handles itself with how literally any conservative site would handle itself if Hillary got cancer and it's quite a stark difference.

 

[Negator]

https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

If this isn't karma, karma doesn't exist.

 

[reaganator]

I respectfully say this is one of the worst arguments I've seen on this website

How so? My point is that she should back her claim. It's just words at this point.

 

[Barzul]

What were the mavericky things McCain did...must've been before I became politically engaged.

 

[slit]

Nvm, misread.

 

[Hierophant]

He'd probably survive it for a while because of some bs.

Hey true that motherfucker is invincible for some reason like all those old monsters are

Also I noticed the thread slowed down a bunch once that tweet was posted hmmm

 

[Phlebas]

McCain better hope his brain cancer spreads at about the same rate he's spread democracy in the Middle East

 

[eBay Huckster]

don't try and erase history so you can feel better

...you say while caping for a man who has repeatedly introduced NDAA amendments to strip cancer research funding from the DoD, whose response to someone asking for help regarding the exact same cancer was "get out of AZ", and who saw no reason not to vote for HCR bills (with 15% general-population support and zero insurance companies or health providers expressing any kind of support) that the GOP's women had to kill

 

[Inyourprime]

I'm sorry, I just can't. I can't feel sympathy for this man.

This sucks but he has been an active participant in trying to take away my mother's and grandmother's healthcare. So, honestly, live or die... I won't flinch either way. I'll wish his family well, but that is as far as I am willing to take it.

 

[Psychoward]

Did Hillary try and strip healthcare from millions? No? Then your point is moot.

I think he was in agreement with you. In that the entire board would be partying and calling her for head.

 

[Hierophant]

How so? My point is that she should back her claim. It's just words at this point.

How do we know McCain is suffering brain cancer? We need to see his medical certificate! (lmao)

 

[Jobbs]

Did Hillary try and strip healthcare from millions? No? Then your point is moot.

I took it to mean this forum is being far far more tasteful than they would be

 

[slit]

I think he was in agreement with you. In that the entire board would be partying and calling her for head.

Oh my mistake, maybe I did misread it.

 

[MUnited83]

I'll be honest here, when your response to hearing someone has cancer is 'Fuck that guy' it's pretty hard to know exactly what you meant. Because it sure sounds like you're glad he got cancer.

Now maybe that's not what you meant by 'Fuck that guy' here. And if so, apologies for misunderstanding you... but maybe a little more nuance on your part would help avoid it too. Like, if you meant 'It doesn't change me feelings towards him one bit'... then maybe it would have been better to say that.

Again, I apologize if I got the wrong idea what you meant by 'Fuck that guy'... but help me out in understanding what you meant by that in this context.

Ninja Scooter put my exact thought in a more eloquent way.

I have no problem with this.

Do I wish him cancer/death. No. I don't have the ability to do that. Nobody's negative posts gave him cancer.

But am I going to feel bad for him that he is going through what he was trying to condemn millions of fellow Americans to? Fuck no. And yes, people are angry and passionate. It's a very fucking personal issue for a lot of people. It's literally life and fucking death for people and their families. You don't expect anger and passion? This is not "different opinions". This is not "politics as usual". This is a group of pieces of human garbage, of which McCain is one, attempting to vote to take away health care from millions, MILLIONS of poor and/or sick Americans, without an adequate replacement in sight, and for no good reason other than because the guy who gave it to them was black. Fuck every single last one of them. Don't expect sympathy from me. The country is better off without them.

 

[ronco2000]

Trump: "Poor excuse for not voting on my Trump care. Sad"

 

[hammysaurusrex]

I don't have it in me to wish harm on McCain, but I certainly don't have it in me to tell the people McCain has harmed to be somber and respectful in this moment.

Sometimes Senators make a utilitarian calculus that unfortunately harms a few to benefit a many. Sometimes Senators make poor choices that harm people because they feel ideology is more important than other humans. There are consequences for decisions. However tragic the story of your personal health, it does not mandate that history must judge you as having a positive legacy.

 

[F0rneus]

https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

Karma you beautiful thing.

 

[besada]

Contrast the way this board handles itself with how literally any conservative site would handle itself if Hillary got cancer and it's quite a stark difference.

One of the biggest conservative forums is calling for McCain to immediately resign. They've also been pretty harsh in their commentary about his illness.

The largest alt-right site is actively celebrating. And they're WAY worse in their commentary.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

McCain better hope his brain cancer spreads at about the same rate he's spread democracy in the Middle East

Damn

 

[reaganator]

How do we know McCain is suffering brain cancer? We need to see his medical certificate! (lmao)

You're missing the point. There's a difference between a medical diagnosis of a serious condition reported by several media outlets and a singular political soundbite tweet. The latter ought to have a credible source.

 

[RustyNails]

What were the mavericky things McCain did...must've been before I became politically engaged.

McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform. He also supported full path to citizenship in the failed 2006 immigration reform which Rush Limbaugh torpedoed.

 

[plagiarize]

If this isn't karma, karma doesn't exist.

It doesn't.

Cancer takes without judgement. The young. The old. The good. The evil. There's no karma here.

 

[Captin Quacker]

One of the biggest conservative forums is calling for McCain to immediately resign. They've also been pretty harsh in their commentary about his illness.

goddanm that's fuck up

 

[Laieon]

I respect him for what he went through in Vietnam even if I don't agree with him politically. As someone who lost his best friend at 15 to cancer and who's brother ended up losing his leg to cancer, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Cancer sucks. Here's hoping to a healthy recovery.

 

[Hierophant]

You're missing the point. There's a difference between a medical diagnosis of a serious condition reported by several media outlets and a singular political soundbite tweet. The latter ought to have a credible source.

So what would it take for the tweet to be real? A death certificate for her husband?

 

[rjinaz]

It doesn't.

Cancer takes without judgement. The young. The old. The good. The evil. There's no karma here.

Truth. And when you think about it, that's pretty insulting to anybody that has cancer especially little kids. Did they have it coming?

I know the poster didn't intend to come across in that way but we should be careful with our words when talking about such serious conditions.

 

[reaganator]

So what would it take for the tweet to be real? A death certificate for her husband?

No, that wouldn't accomplish anything. The letter itself. Duh.

 

[Kadin]

Just like others here, I feel like a big piece of shit now after having dogged him during the Comey hearing. I mean, this just sucks. I was having fun poking at him being 'off' and now it's very possible we have the reason why. Fuck.

Thoughts with him and his family.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Man, he is younger than my grandma, that's really sad

 

[Sweeney Tom]

You're missing the point. There's a difference between a medical diagnosis of a serious condition reported by several media outlets and a singular political soundbite tweet. The latter ought to have a credible source.

If you'd clicked the link you would have seen she's in touch with her friend and said friend is looking for the letter, which is in a box somewhere

I provided the link in my original post, even, so don't dare try to say nobody could find that information for themselves or that it wasn't easily obtainable

What were the mavericky things McCain did...must've been before I became politically engaged.

He said a couple times he wasn't sure if he'd vote with the party line. Just forget that he inevitably did every single time

 

[RoninChaos]

https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

Holeeeeeeeey shit.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

So what would it take for the tweet to be real? A death certificate for her husband?

I agree she has to produce a letter. That's all that would be needed. She should hope her friend pulls through and finds it.

 

[Jonnax]

This man supports 23 million people losing their health care whilst he gets it gets it for free.

He straight up does not give a fuck whether they live or die.

Why should I care about his life? Because he's rich and powerful?

 

[RinsFury]

https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

There goes any sympathy I might have had. Disgusting.

 

[reaganator]

I agree she has to produce a letter. That's all that would be needed. She should hope her friend pulls through and finds it.

That's the point I'm trying to make here, except that we only have her "friend's" "word" for it and that it's in a box "somewhere". If that's not funny, I don't know what is.

 

[seat]

Count me in the no-sympathy camp. McCain's done considerably more damage to our country than not. He could have tried to turn his legacy around the last couple years and he didn't. Shame on him.

 

[plagiarize]

Ninja Scooter put my exact thought in a more eloquent way.

I guess what I really struggle with, is drilling down to an individual with cancer and not having empathy for that individual's diagnosis because of shitty stuff they've done. You keep talking about the millions who will lose coverage, and I think we should empathize with every single one of them, even if they're one of the ones that voted Donald Trump and hate black people.

Empathy doesn't mean exoneration for everything they did in life. It's just with respect to the cancer. I don't disagree with you that we shouldn't excuse anything McCain has done just because he's sick. The diagnosis doesn't change who he is (although it could get him to rethink that and might provoke change... but that's sort of beside the point), and you'll get no push back from me on that.

But I think Obama et al have the right approach here. I don't want to go down the path I see Trump Jr and his daddy going down of dehumanizing their political opponents. McCain is a person. With family that care about him. Maybe he should have more empathy and not be against healthcare. But I still can only feel sorry for someone who gets brain cancer. Karma isn't real. Cancer isn't discriminating. It's random and cruel and I hope we can defeat it.

McCain hasn't helped move us towards defeating cancer. But universal is universal. I think we can be better than him, and that means wanting to see him get the best treatment possible, at no great expense to him. I hope he recovers and we defeat him politically. *shrug*

I'm out now though. This thread isn't doing any of us any favors, myself included.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

That's the point I'm trying to make here, except that we only have her "friend's" "word" for it and that it's in a box "somewhere". If that's not funny, I don't know what is.

That's true. But because it is coming from a journalist at a very reputable organization, I'm apt to give them the benefit of the doubt here that they believe this is credible.

Because if it isn't she'll get destroyed. Rightfully so. LA Times will have some standards here, unlike more seedy organizations that are out there.

 

[Negator]

Truth. And when you think about it, that's pretty insulting to anybody that has cancer especially little kids. Did they have it coming?

I know the poster didn't intend to come across in that way but we should be careful with our words when talking about such serious conditions.

I didn't know kids with cancer were fighting to strip health insurance from other people.

I've lost my father to cancer. I know how serious cancer is and I'd appreciate you to not put words in my mouth, thanks.

 

[BronsonLee]

What would be the Republican benefit to him immediately resigning anyways? I don't understand that one

 

[Laieon]

Why should I care about his life?

It's called empathy. Be the person you want him to be.

 

[Psychoward]

It's called empathy. Be the person you want him to be.

It's telling that you cut out the rest of the post before going with that argument.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I didn't know kids with cancer were fighting to strip health insurance from other people.

I've lost my father to cancer. I know how serious cancer is and I'd appreciate you to not put words in my mouth, thanks.

the point is that karma doesn't exist. Bad things dont' only happen to bad people. That McCain, who was trying to strip health care from millions, now has cancer, is a coincidence. Good people get cancer. Bad people live healthy lives til they're 100.

 

[reaganator]

If you'd clicked the link you would have seen she's in touch with her friend and said friend is looking for the letter, which is in a box somewhere

I provided the link in my original post, even, so don't dare try to say nobody could find that information for themselves or that it wasn't easily obtainable

As for your first point, I don't know how I'm supposed to even believe that. For someone to even read a tweet in 5 seconds and believe it without proof is quite scary.
Edit: All I'm saying is that if you're working for a reputable media outlet, you ought to back up your claim with proof. Being a verified user amplifies that sentiment. It's called professionalism.

As for your second point, what are you even talking about?

 

[Zushin]

This man supports 23 million people losing their health care whilst he gets it gets it for free.

He straight up does not give a fuck whether they live or die.

Why should I care about his life? Because he's rich and powerful?

You don't have to care about his life, but not giving a shit and empathising with someone whom is about to suffer a horrible and painful disease aren't mutually exclusive. I think he's a piece of shit too, doesn't mean I would wish cancer on anybody.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

This man supports 23 million people losing their health care whilst he gets it gets it for free.

He straight up does not give a fuck whether they live or die.

Why should I care about his life?

Pretty much.

I notice these people are never asked to "be the better person" and actually, I don't know, not be murderous assholes just once.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Really sad news. I kinda had the feeling something was off during that hearing.

 

[rjinaz]

I didn't know kids with cancer were fighting to strip health insurance from other people.

I've lost my father to cancer. I know how serious cancer is and I'd appreciate you to not put words in my mouth, thanks.

I said I know you didn't mean it that way. Sorry if I feel it could be seen that way, I do.

 

[Laieon]

It's telling that you cut out the rest of the post before going with that argument.

"Why should I care about his life?" Sounds like he doesn't care if McCain lives or dies. Sounds like he shares the same opinion ("He straight up does not give a fuck whether they live or die.") as the man he apparently isn't a fan of.

I don't think you can criticize someone for doing something when you're doing the same.

McCain may lack empathy but that doesn't mean we have to.

 

[Hierophant]

Pretty much.

I notice these people are never asked to "be the better person" and actually, I don't know, not be murderous assholes just once.

Not a single person here thinks he'll change his ways and vote against stripping healthcare from millions but suddenly he gets cancer and we're supposed to feel sorry for him?