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[Steel]

Vengeance would be actively interfering to cause someone harm. Kicking an already dying man could be considered vengeance. Just allowing nature to take its course isn't enacting vengeance. Justice is in seeing someone pay in some way for their crimes in a proportional manner. Giving comfort to a dying man won't save his life, but rather ease their way out of it. Someone like Hitler denied millions of people that privilege, so it's justice that he too be denied it. Justice doesn't close wounds on its own, but it allows them to start healing. Deny justice and the wound festers. Doing something like conforting Hitler on his deathbed is a good way to delay the emotional healing of victims that have already suffered greatly. You're putting the immediate needs of a monster over the long- term challenges of anyone they hurt.

McCain has done shit things but he's nowhere near Hitler and likely believes that what he's doing is for the greater good. I'm not saying anyone has to feel bad for him being on his deathbed, but arguing that anyone who doesn't shit on him for being near death's door or hopes he doesn't die is being cowardly or aiding them in their shit goals is insane.

What's amazing is that, for all the hand-wringing on here about how disrespectful it is to be indifferent to this, the most jovial celebration of McCain's diagnosis appears to be coming from the far-right, who despise him way more than liberals who mock him for being spineless.

Seriously, though.

 

[Zyae]

He is a human being. Humans are complicated creatures. He's done some questionable things as of late but he is a Hero, a patriot and a man facing down death.

 

[Rmagnus]

McCain has done shit things but he's nowhere near Hitler and likely believes that what he's doing is for the greater good. I'm not saying anyone has to feel bad for him being on his deathbed, but arguing that anyone who doesn't shit on him for being near death's door or hopes he doesn't die is being cowardly or aiding them in their shit goals is insane.



Seriously, though.

Someone believing that he is doing a greater good don't mean he is actually doing a good thing nor should he be exempted from getting criticised. What kinda shit logic is that.he can believe whatever fuck he wants the fact is he is or was actively trying to deny health care millions of people.

 

[Tommy DJ]

Lisa Murkowski has voted in favor of more Trump positions than McCain.

Which wasn't the point I was making at all.

 

[Steel]

Someone believing that he is doing a greater good don't mean he is actually doing a good thing nor should he be exempted from getting criticised. What kinda shit logic is that.he can believe whatever fuck he wants the fact is he is or was actively trying to deny health care millions of people.

Where the fuck did I say he was exempt from being criticized? I said it's insane to go after people for wishing he wouldn't die.

 

[NateDrake]

Which wasn't the point I was making at all.

Great, she has the balls to stand up to Mitch but still votes in support of the party line more than McCain. So what are you praising about her?

 

[Staf]

Ah shit. I work as a statistician doing research on cancer, primarily on gynecological- and braintumors, and that's a death sentence. Especially considering his age.

He seems like a really tough and nice person. Hope he beats it!

 

[HabeeNo]

One of the very few Republicans worth respecting and praising. Hero, and clapping back whenever 45 pulls some BS

Wishing the best for McCain

 

[Rmagnus]

Where the fuck did I say he was exempt from being criticized? I said it's insane to go after people for wishing he wouldn't die.

So what was the damn point of saying he believe he is doing good? Why did you even bring it up?

 

[Tomita]

https://twitter.com/jessica_roy/status/887847253334872065

@jessica_roy
My friend's husband died of glioblastoma in AZ. They wrote a letter to McCain begging for his help. He advised them to move.

): My grandma died of the same cancer in Arizona.

I hope McCain quits and steps out of public life to deal with this. Chances are he's not going to make it, and it will be ugly. While having gripes about the man, I did also have a soft spot for him at times...and I wouldn't wish brain cancer of all cancers on most anyone. I didn't want to see McCain go like this. :/

Spoiler

Obviously I'd wish that shit on the likes of Hitler though.

 

[Steel]

So what was the damn point of saying he believe he is doing good? Why did you even bring it up?

The damn point was that there's a reason for people to wish he wouldn't die and that shitting on people for wishing he wouldn't die is insane.

 

[Blue Ninja]

That's damn awful, poor guy.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

McCain has done shit things but he's nowhere near Hitler and likely believes that what he's doing is for the greater good. I'm not saying anyone has to feel bad for him being on his deathbed, but arguing that anyone who doesn't shit on him for being near death's door or hopes he doesn't die is being cowardly or aiding them in their shit goals is insane.

Sorry, my comments are less about McCain specifically and more about Media's claim that they'd be unable to not help even Hitler if they saw them suffering. I in no way equate McCain to Hitler, and while I don't think he's a particularly good man, I also don't think he's a total unrepentant monster either. I really do think he believes what he's doing is right, but who really knows what goes on in any politician's head. Most of them don't even have a real identity.

 

[Piggus]

Good Riddance

McCain has made mistakes, but this kind of bullshit makes you no better than Trump. Grow a pair of nuts and be a bigger man.

Let's see you spend 5 and a half years being tortured and beaten every two hours, only to eventually come back and become a presidential candidate.

 

[Tommy DJ]

Great, she has the balls to stand up to Mitch but still votes in support of the party line more than McCain. So what are you praising about her?

If McCain doesn't like something happening, he can vote "no" straight up or actually put forward an actual protest.

If he felt that we needed an actual bipartisan health care bill, he could have openly joined Murkowski and Collins to tank the bill. Instead he posts that letter to the public after its certain the bill is 6 feet below the ground.

Its not really praise, its what any senator should have done in the face of a sub-20% approval rating bill. That's below Trump's lowest approval rating by at least 15% meaning a whole lot of Republicans really hate the bill as well. As an outside viewer not living in America, it makes ZERO sense that this bill had any chance of passing. This would have led to a prime minister getting backstabbed in the Australian parliament by the end of the month.

Following the party line is expected because she's a Republican. She represents whatever conservative values are these days in US politics. What's also expected is that Alaska's senate representative is meant to use her judgement to protect the interests of Alaska and her people. In recent times, McCain has either poor judgement (shit like him complaining about Russia yet voting for Tillerson is frustrating beyond belief) or is merely another reliable Republican vote. I don't know which, since voting to cut funding for retired service personnel's medical services is a combination of both: fulfilling a Republican agenda to cut entitlements and extremely poor judgement from a man who should understand their suffering the most.

 

[Rmagnus]

The damn point was that there's a reason for people to wish he wouldn't die and that shitting on people for wishing he wouldn't die is insane.

Lol who is shitting on the people who wish he wouldn't die. It's the people who are indifferent to him dying or actually saying fuck yeah that are being call cunts and non decent human beings? And again the damn point that that's the reason for people to wish he wouldn't die is fucking stupid. He really believes he is doing a greater good but in reality he is fucking up millions of lives.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

McCain has made mistakes, but this kind of bullshit makes you no better than Trump. Grow a pair of nuts and be a bigger man.

Let's see you spend 5 and a half years being tortured and beaten every two hours, only to eventually come back and become a presidential candidate.

This is problematic for a few reasons. For one, some random NeoGAF poster should not be compared to Trump. One has real power and enforces policies to hurt as many people as possible, the other is an online poster on a videogame forum. The weight of their comments or actions are not in the same stratosphere. Also, being a "bigger person" has proven to be irrelevant in US politics. Liberals tried "going high" and they got destroyed despite it.

Regarding McCain's plight in war half a century ago, it is commendable. But it's ultimately irrelevant in face of his current inhuman actions in Congress and his mission to hurt as many people as possible. You'd think someone going through that experience, and with his old age, would find some compassion to not be ok with destroying healthcare for millions, though. Sad he hasn't.

These reactions and sentiments are due to his actions. They're his own fault.

 

[Joe T.]

Uhuh.

I'll just leave this PBS piece here - I completely agree with her. The Reps and Dems have both been losing ground to Independents according to Pew Research. Yes, both sides, with good reason.

I usually go case by case on who I feel empathetic towards. Empathy isn't something that should be doled out for free, unlike proper healthcare. Usually for me to feel empathetic the person should exude empathetic qualities. Do all the voters who voted trump out of sheer malice who then got stung by his healthcare shit deserve my empathy?

Yes. There is a reason they act the way they do. If someone I know shows malice towards others I almost feel that I have a responsibility to find out why they act the way they do and do my best to attempt to right any wrongs. It's usually no easy task, but it often stems from mistreatment, be it from their parents, relatives, authority figures or what have you, and showing them empathy over a long enough period of time proves to be beneficial more often than not. You think that angry kid spray painting anti-Semitic messages around town is doing it because he/she's got a loving family and circle of friends? It's usually because something's wrong/missing in his/her life and it's on those around him/her to help them. Not everyone can be helped, but we'll never know unless we try.

I don't care for John McCain the Republican - there's actually a lot about him I hate - but I do care about John McCain the person. I'd like to think that if I ever had the chance to speak with him over a drink or meal we might be able to persuade one another to change some of our views or at least learn more about why we stand behind the choices we've made. It's impossible to make progress without understanding and that requires a degree of empathy.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

McCain has made mistakes, but this kind of bullshit makes you no better than Trump. Grow a pair of nuts and be a bigger man.

Let's see you spend 5 and a half years being tortured and beaten every two hours, only to eventually come back and become a presidential candidate.

Spending 5.5 years being tortured by a hostile force is actually a great way to get your foot in the door politically. Well, until Trump branded all POWs losers.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I'll just leave this PBS piece here - I completely agree with her. The Reps and Dems have both been losing ground to Independents according to Pew Research. Yes, both sides, with good reason.



Yes. There is a reason they act the way they do. If someone I know shows malice towards others I almost feel that I have a responsibility to find out why they act the way they do and do my best to attempt to right any wrongs. It's usually no easy task, but it often stems from mistreatment, be it from their parents, relatives, authority figures or what have you, and showing them empathy over a long enough period of time proves to be beneficial more often than not. You think that angry kid spray painting anti-Semitic messages around town is doing it because he/she's got a loving family and circle of friends? It's usually because something's wrong/missing in his/her life and it's on those around him/her to help them. Not everyone can be helped, but we'll never know unless we try.

I don't care for John McCain the Republican - there's actually a lot about him I hate - but I do care about John McCain the person. I'd like to think that if I ever had the chance to speak with him over a drink or meal we might be able to persuade one another to change some of our views or at least learn more about why we stand behind the choices we've made. It's impossible to make progress without understanding and that requires a degree of empathy.

Yeah, the US collectively tried that with another politician, George Bush, and ended up in Iraq for over a decade dicking around for no reason.

 

[Matrix XII]

Sad news to hear. Wishing you all the best John!

 

[C4Lukins]

McCain is a hero and a bad ass.

He went through shit that few people will ever even get close to.

As someone who considers themself as a moderate Republican, he was a shining light in a party that has gone to hell.

This is devestating for me. Because any remnant of the party I supported dies with him.

His track record was not perfect, but what political entity is? He was really my last hope for what the Republican Party should be, and you should mourn his exit if this is the end of his political career.

 

[Branduil]

McCain has made mistakes, but this kind of bullshit makes you no better than Trump. Grow a pair of nuts and be a bigger man.

Let's see you spend 5 and a half years being tortured and beaten every two hours, only to eventually come back and become a presidential candidate.

I know if I came back from being tortured for 5 years, the first thing I'd do is cheat on my disabled wife before divorcing her.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

McCain is a hero and a bad ass.

He went through shit that few people will ever even get close to.

As someone who considers themself as a moderate Republican, he was a shining light in a party that has gone to hell.

This is devestating for me. Because any remnant of the party I supported dies with him.

His track record was not perfect, but what political entity is? He was really my last hope for what the Republican Party should be, and you should mourn his exit if this is the end of his political career.

The Republican Party should be about stripping away health care for poor and sick individuals for no apparent reason other than to claim a hollow political victory and show up the previous administration? Sounds about right, actually.

 

[Mr Swine]

I really hope McCain pulls through

 

[GoldenEye 007]

McCain is a hero and a bad ass.

He went through shit that few people will ever even get close to.

As someone who considers themself as a moderate Republican, he was a shining light in a party that has gone to hell.

This is devestating for me. Because any remnant of the party I supported dies with him.

His track record was not perfect, but what political entity is? He was really my last hope for what the Republican Party should be, and you should mourn his exit if this is the end of his political career.

I'm puzzled why this would be shocking to you. What era of the GOP were you hoping for? Since the 1960s, the party has been openly courting racists as a reliable voting bloc. The current state of the party is simply a culmination of that factual action. It went to hell after 1964.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm puzzled why this would be shocking to you. What era of the GOP were you hoping for? Since the 1960s, the party has been openly courting racists as a reliable voting bloc. The current state of the party is simply a culmination of that factual action. It went to hell after 1964.

But I was told he was a "maverick"?

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Yes. There is a reason they act the way they do. If someone I know shows malice towards others I almost feel that I have a responsibility to find out why they act the way they do and do my best to attempt to right any wrongs. It's usually no easy task, but it often stems from mistreatment, be it from their parents, relatives, authority figures or what have you, and showing them empathy over a long enough period of time proves to be beneficial more often than not. You think that angry kid spray painting anti-Semitic messages around town is doing it because he/she's got a loving family and circle of friends? It's usually because something's wrong/missing in his/her life and it's on those around him/her to help them. Not everyone can be helped, but we'll never know unless we try.

I don't care for John McCain the Republican - there's actually a lot about him I hate - but I do care about John McCain the person. I'd like to think that if I ever had the chance to speak with him over a drink or meal we might be able to persuade one another to change some of our views or at least learn more about why we stand behind the choices we've made. It's impossible to make progress without understanding and that requires a degree of empathy.

And when John McCain the person says fuck you, not my problem and then kills your mother by taking away her health insurance? You gonna stand there and say "Poor McCain, he must be broken inside"? That it's your fault because you just couldn't be convincing enough? That it's his parents fault because they didn't love him enough? When does he take any actual blame for the people he hurts? You really think someone just hasn't explained things in the right way to these people? The man is 80 years old. What you're writing here is nonsense.

 

[Sami+]

I'll just leave this PBS piece here - I completely agree with her. The Reps and Dems have both been losing ground to Independents according to Pew Research. Yes, both sides, with good reason.



Yes. There is a reason they act the way they do. If someone I know shows malice towards others I almost feel that I have a responsibility to find out why they act the way they do and do my best to attempt to right any wrongs. It's usually no easy task, but it often stems from mistreatment, be it from their parents, relatives, authority figures or what have you, and showing them empathy over a long enough period of time proves to be beneficial more often than not. You think that angry kid spray painting anti-Semitic messages around town is doing it because he/she's got a loving family and circle of friends? It's usually because something's wrong/missing in his/her life and it's on those around him/her to help them. Not everyone can be helped, but we'll never know unless we try.

I don't care for John McCain the Republican - there's actually a lot about him I hate - but I do care about John McCain the person. I'd like to think that if I ever had the chance to speak with him over a drink or meal we might be able to persuade one another to change some of our views or at least learn more about why we stand behind the choices we've made. It's impossible to make progress without understanding and that requires a degree of empathy.

John McCain the Republican and John McCain the person are literally the same thing.

W. Bush was responsible for the death of millions but man he really is a funny and charismatic guy. I'd even say kind of charming. But that does not erase his actions.

 

[Hoo-doo]

That's a rough diagnosis. He's unlikely to win this battle.

Hope he gets to make the best out of the remaining years he's got.

 

[Rmagnus]

But I was told he was a "maverick"?

Dirk ?that's the only maverick I know of.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

fuck cancer, man.

just had a relative die of cancer earlier today.


:'''(

 

[Piggus]

This is problematic for a few reasons. For one, some random NeoGAF poster should not be compared to Trump. One has real power and enforces policies to hurt as many people as possible, the other is an online poster on a videogame forum. The weight of their comments or actions are not in the same stratosphere. Also, being a "bigger person" has proven to be irrelevant in US politics. Liberals tried "going high" and they got destroyed despite it.

Regarding McCain's plight in war half a century ago, it is commendable. But it's ultimately irrelevant in face of his current inhuman actions in Congress and his mission to hurt as many people as possible. You'd think someone going through that experience, and with his old age, would find some compassion to not be ok with destroying healthcare for millions, though. Sad he hasn't.

These reactions and sentiments are due to his actions. They're his own fault.

I don't give a shit if we got "destroyed" for going high. I refuse to stoop to that level, and anyone else who calls themself a patriot should refuse to as well. We're better than that petty bullshit. You can criticize someone for their policy positions without being a dumb prick and literally celebrating someone getting brain cancer. McCain deserves to be criticized for his actions. Of course he does. But he has done nothing to deserve people celebrating his potentially terminal illness.

I know if I came back from being tortured for 5 years, the first thing I'd do is cheat on my disabled wife before divorcing her.

Wow, sounds like you have an incredible understanding of how PTSD can affect relationships.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Is it possible that acting as though the John McCains and Mitt Romneys of the world were Hitler is how we got to Trump in some small part?

I don't get how some of you can see any Republican and not distinguish any difference from Trump.

 

[C4Lukins]

The Republican Party should be about stripping away health care for poor and sick individuals for no apparent reason other than to claim a hollow political victory and show up the previous administration? Sounds about right, actually.

Hey not what I said.

Stripping Health Care, that is a fun idea.

With Obamacare, I lost my health coverage because I had a weird double kidney failure ten years ago.

My insurance still covered me. And I am completely healthy. But my premiums got raised to 600 a month. So I went with the Affordable health act.

My earnings are about 32k a year with no children or a wife.

So my new premiums became about 280 a month with the government paying almost as much on their end, your tax money.

Unfortunetly my private doctor who I have used for the past ten years is not a part of the HMO. And again my monthly premium is higher then before Obamacare. So I lost my doctor, prescriptions are mostly free instead of ten dollars which was fine considering some of my prescriptions were upward of 100 dollars a month without insurance.

So yeah it is great. I am paying 80 or so dollars a month more for health insurance, It does not cover my longtime doctor fees, but I save ten dollars on each of my prescriptions, which equals out to 480 dollars a year. When I put it all together I am only losing 2000 dollars a year for worse coverage.

But hey because I am a rich white male, no big deal right? No I only make 32k a year. By most standards I am close to being impoverished in the US. But my healthcare costs increased, and my tax return went down from 1300 to 600.

But no sympathy for me. I am lucky to have support from family. But without that it would be a nightmare. And simply a white privelaged nightmare. Imagine families who would have to deal with this shit who do not have the support I have.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I don't give a shit if we got "destroyed" for going high. I refuse to stoop to that level, and anyone else who calls themself a patriot should refuse to as well. We're better than that petty bullshit. You can criticize someone for their policy positions without being a dumb prick and literally celebrating someone getting brain cancer. McCain deserves to be criticized for his actions. Of course he does. But he has done nothing to deserve people celebrating his potentially terminal illness.

That's fine. Nobody is forcing you to express some of these sentiments. People approach certain situations in very different ways.

As for the patriot thing, I'm of the opinion that there's noting more patriotic than shitting on political leaders. That's what defines the US. It's what we were founded on. Someone being sick does not give them a reprieve in my view. Not at this level.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Hey not what I said.

Stripping Health Care, that is a fun idea.

With Obamacare, I lost my health coverage because I had a weird double kidney failure ten years ago.

My insurance still covered me. And I am completely healthy. But my premiums got raised to 600 a month. So I went with the Affordable health act.

My earnings are about 32k a year with no children or a wife.

So my new premiums became about 280 a month with the government paying almost as much on their end, your tax money.

Unfortunetly my private doctor who I have used for the past ten years is not a part of the HMO. And again my monthly premium is higher then before Obamacare. So I lost my doctor, prescriptions are mostly free instead of ten dollars which was fine considering some of my prescriptions were upward of 100 dollars a month without insurance.

So yeah it is great. I am paying 80 or so dollars a month more for health insurance, It does not cover my longtime doctor fees, but I save ten dollars on each of my prescriptions, which equals out to 480 dollars a year. When I put it all together I am only losing 2000 dollars a year for worse coverage.

Your premium was going to be higher regardless of ACA. According to the CBO report out today, it would have actually been higher had it not been enacted/repealed.

I don't think the bill is anything special but people are pretending like premiums weren't rising exponentially before this thing passed.

 

[Mechazawa]

I don't get how some of you can see any Republican and not distinguish any difference from Trump.

No one is "not distinguishing any difference from Trump".

There would practically be fireworks going off on this forum if Trump was diagnosed with this instead

Spoiler

before the realization of a Pence presidency set in.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Is it possible that acting as though the John McCains and Mitt Romneys of the world were Hitler is how we got to Trump in some small part?

I don't get how some of you can see any Republican and not distinguish any difference from Trump.

? The 2008 campaign represented the first visible shift towards people like Trump with the elevation of Palin to the national stage against the insanely qualified Biden and professional Obama.

"Attitudes" to McCain didn't cause shit. The GOP worked actively since the 1960s to move towards people like Donald Trump and other white nationalists. Palin ushered in the Tea Party, and from there ushered even more extreme politicians like Trump.

And Romney is part of an organization that until the 1970s saw black skin as a sin. So yeah, they're all shit from the same tree in my view.

 

[Piggus]

That's fine. Nobody is forcing you to express some of these sentiments. People approach certain situations in very different ways.

As for the patriot thing, I'm of the opinion that there's noting more patriotic than shitting on political leaders. That's what defines the US. It's what we were founded on. Someone being sick does not give them a reprieve in my view. Not at this level.

I agree. This doesn't excuse him for his actions. But I still don't feel that's reason to celebrate his cancer. Indifference I can understand, but celebration of a fellow American (and a veteran, at that) getting cancer is about as low as you can go.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Is it possible that acting as though the John McCains and Mitt Romneys of the world were Hitler is how we got to Trump in some small part?

I don't get how some of you can see any Republican and not distinguish any difference from Trump.

If this is some sort of hot take of the quote from the top of the page, I've already pointed out how your interpretation is false due to you not following the conversation on the last page. Somehow, I think you don't actually care and just want to feel somehow morally superior by pretending that almost all Republicans don't walk in lockstep these days no matter how obscene the stance is.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

fuck cancer, man.

just had a relative die of cancer earlier today.


:'''(

My condolences :'(

That stuff is no joke, there will be a lot of pain, and there will be a lot of sleepless nights for his close ones. I hope he recovers.

 

[C4Lukins]

Your premium was going to be higher regardless of ACA. According to the CBO report out today, it would have actually been higher had it not been enacted/repealed.

I don't think the bill is anything special but people are pretending like premiums weren't rising exponentially before this thing passed.

It doubled in a year. Not only that, it was the insurance company telling me to straight up fuck off. Because the new regulations were so insane that they would rather lose me as a client then comply with whatever the fuck was being pushed upon them.

And my fallback, The Affordable Care Act which was more expensive and provided less coverage.

I would love a great healthcare system in the US, but what Obama did was a mess.


Edit::: Sorry I just realized I have been replying in the McCain brain cancer thread. Not the time or place. My bad I apologize. John McCain is a bad ass who was tortured for years. Who was the best of what the Republican Party had to offer, and for the most part stood with his convictions, which most of the time were sound.

 

[Conor_Fool]

McCain has made mistakes, but this kind of bullshit makes you no better than Trump. Grow a pair of nuts and be a bigger man.

Let's see you spend 5 and a half years being tortured and beaten every two hours, only to eventually come back and become a presidential candidate.

Seriously. There's a video of McCain on youtube from shortly after he was released from torture. He is wide eyed and chain smoking cigarettes, detailing some of the events.

All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard in this thread would likely have killed yourself after a month of what he went through. I don't agree with the man in so many ways, but have a little fucking respect for a man that endured and overcame so much.

 

[Meadows]

He's a war hero that served his country with honour and bravery. I hope he gets well soon.

 

[eBay Huckster]

All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard

okay, who's doing this who wasn't blatantly trying to troll

or are you lumping in all the "cancer sucks, but so does mccain" posts so you can ironically be a keyboard warrior yourself

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Why is it that some "liberals" want to pretend that talking shit about politicians on a message board drives apparently otherwise sane and rational people to throw in with the dregs of the GOP

All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard in this thread would likely have killed yourself after a month of what he went through.

lack of self-awareness is like *mwah*

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Seriously. There's a video of McCain on youtube from shortly after he was released from torture. He is wide eyed and chain smoking cigarettes, detailing some of the events.

All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard in this thread would likely have killed yourself after a month of what he went through. I don't agree with the man in so many ways, but have a little fucking respect for a man that endured and overcame so much.

How long ago was this? 40 years? 50?

What does that have to do with currently working to destroy healthcare for tens of millions of people? Why does him surviving being a POW 50 years ago absolve him of criticism now?

Just because you're a veteran does not give you a right to be above criticism. This is the same type of sentiment that allows police in the US to be above the law. "Bubu cops are heroes and they'd never do wrong! You can't criticize them!"

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

It doubled in a year. Not only that, it was the insurance company telling me to straight up fuck off. Because the new regulations were so insane that they would rather lose me as a client then comply with whatever the fuck was being pushed upon them.

How far has your premium gone up since then? If we hadn't gone Obamacare, reports are that you'd be worse off today, not to mention that your insurance always had the possibility of kicking you off if they didn't like the conditions of your illness. If it had doubled or tripled and no government subsidy existed, could you have coped? Likely forced to drop insurance altogether.

 

[FyreWulff]

All you spineless pussies talking shit behind your keyboard in this thread would likely have killed yourself after a month of what he went through.

should have pasted the rest of the navy seal copypasta