Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target

"Sand niggers! Ill kill all of them!"

GAF: Did you see the way she threw that box of crackers? And the way she emphasizes her words. She needs help, this is less about racism than being mentally ill.


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Man can you imagine if she had just calmly said she would kill all sand niggers maybe everyone could agree shes a racist and not feel the need to bring up the fact that she deserves sympathy because she was violent and erratic in addition to being fucking stupid, because somehow being a violent rampaging dickhole means its beyond racism. Cant wait for the GAF thread, "Homeless guy grabbed my girlfriends ass and called her a dirty jew, I felt sorry for him and offered him a place to stay"
 
giga said:
So you don't consider her a racist now?
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She can be both.

Just watching her, and as someone who has worked with mentally ill patients before as a physician, her body language/movements, her becoming violent at seemingly little to no provocation and the bizarre stuff she is saying about a flesh cave or whatever says she certainly has some issues upstairs, INCLUDING racism.

She is mentally ill.

She is racist.

It’s impossible to know which one she is “more of” in this video (and probably would be impossible even if I had her as a patient for several years).
 
She is clearly both mentally ill and racist as hell.

It sounds like she is having some sort of paranoid delusion about people being murdered in a basement. She may also be intoxicated.
 
Amazing thread. This woman is both mentally ill AND racist -- full stop. It's not one or the other, it's both. You can have philosophical arguments about whether all racists are inherently mentally ill, I'm not getting into that. But do not try to minimize her racist behavior behind the mental health issues (or vice versa). Just a call a spade a spade.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
she's just a kid
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You can be crazy and not be racist. You can also be racist and not be crazy(just a bad person).

This lady's clearly both.

Walking into Target with no shoes and throwing things? That's crazy

Firing off racial slurs? That's racist
 
Ambient80 said:
She can be both.

Just watching her, and as someone who has worked with mentally ill patients before as a physician, her body language/movements, her becoming violent at seemingly little to no provocation and the bizarre stuff she is saying about a flesh cave or whatever says she certainly has some issues upstairs, INCLUDING racism.

She is mentally ill.

She is racist.

It’s impossible to know which one she is “more of” in this video (and probably would be impossible even if I had her as a patient for several years).
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Surely, working with mentally ill patients, you must know that its impossible to judge a stranger in a youtube videos mental integrity, and that not every rude belligerent person is mentally ill, and that not every mental illness deserves a pass. She could be sociopathic. She could also have no diagnosable problems and just be on drugs. Whats the point in defending her?
 
Wait, how in the world are people saying she has a mental illness after a short video, are yaw some type of super doctors?
 
sflufan said:
Her words are assuredly racist but I have absolutely no idea if she has the mental faculty to comprehend what they actually mean.

Or she could be a racist strung out on Meth.
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Ding ding!

Majority of the time "mental health" is a poor excuse, as it's just some tired/frustrated/every day mental health issue racist with their mask slipping./

Every now and then though we get a video like this that shows a person who could very easily be severely mentally incapable, and at these times we need to be aware of the reality of mental health issues and those suffering from them.

And for the love of all thing good please can those posting "inb4 mental illness, too late" and other drive by shit posts take a minute to actually think here. Thank you.
 
Before I went to prison for an aggravated DUI, I was diagnosed as bipolar, major depressive disorder, and PTSD. The psychiatrist said that my drinking was the natural result of my untreated and undiagnosed mental illnesses. I still got drunk and drove and got in an accident where we both could have gotten killed. I've been through multiple treatments, go to AA religiously and did my 2 yr bid and came home. I still take a high dosage of Prozac for the mental illnesses. Is this thread telling me I'm not really an alcoholic??
 
Zakalwe said:
You clearly need to read my posts and stop knew jerking with this righteous nonsense.
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Nah I read your bullshit posts. But as a Black Man I'm not to going to say gee golly that irrational hate you have for me is excused becuase your mentally ill.

Nope it's racist doesn't need to be debated at all.
 
Zakalwe said:
Exactly.

I'd suggest some people do a little community service working with severely mentally unstable/Ill people and see the kind of horrific shit they can say while at the same time witnessing their suffering because they can't control it.

The world sometimes isn't as simple as "that's a racist".
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Shut up. We wanna virtually lynch some motherfucking racist when we feel like it. You're not going to take our
5 minutes of racist rage from us you reasonable person!

And no people, not all racists are mentally ill. THAT's the scary part.

Seriously, racist fucks need to go away. But this person seems like she needs help. she's fucking crazy
 
sflufan said:
Her words are assuredly racist but I have absolutely no idea if she has the mental faculty to comprehend what they actually mean.

Or she could be a racist strung out on meth.
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Easier conclusion: if someone is saying racist things, they're probably racist. Spend less time trying to defend them because you don't know if they understand what they're saying.
 
I once fixed this sweet old lady's computer and the PC name was "SANDNIGGA".
 
Kyzer said:
Surely, working with mentally ill patients, you must know that its impossible to judge a stranger in a youtube videos mental integrity, and that not every rude belligerent person is mentally ill, and that not every mental illness deserves a pass. She could be sociopathic. She could also have no diagnosable problems and just be on drugs. Whats the point in defending her?
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I’m not defending her!! Fucking hell.

I’m going by the evidence we have. No, I can’t give her a full on diagnosis and prescribe her meds based off a YouTube video. I can however use the evidence supplied to at least say she probably has something going on. Mentally sound individuals do not walk into a store, yell racist things, throw things at strangers, and scream about flesh caves in someone’s basement. I feel like I’m not really going out on a limb by saying that. Non-racist people also don’t use the term sand-nigger. Again, I feel fairly safe coming to that conclusion. So it’s likely she is a racist individual who also has mental problems. This isn’t a defense, this is simply an observation.
 
shingi70 said:
Nah I read your bullshit posts. But as a Black Man I'm not to going to say gee golly that irrational hate you have for me is excused becuase your mentally ill.

Nope it's racist doesn't need to be debated at all.
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I'm not going to argue with you about how you should feel as a black man encountering racism.

I would suggest you read my posts again with a clearer head though, because I'm not saying what you think I am.
 
If she had a gun and shot everyone while screaming sand niggers would you guys still feel the need to talk about her potential mental health (which you experts are diagnosing from a short YouTube video lol)? Like whats the point of mentioning that a criminal is not acting logically and likely suffers from mental issues, doesnt that go without saying? She could be even crazier and kill people. Then what about her poor mental health? What if it was a black person yelling cracker? What about if it was a muslim screaming about infidels and was throwing shit at people, when that person inevitably got charged as a terrorist, would you be defending their mental health?


This is what yall need to understand. This conversation of how much the poor racist isnt in control of their poor brain is useless and doesnt happen when its a person of color acting crazy, immediately theyre either drugged up or terrorists
 
Kyzer said:
If she had a gun and shot everyone while screaming sand niggers would you guys still feel the need to talk about her potential mental health (which you experts are diagnosing from a short YouTube video lol)? What if it was a black person yelling cracker? What about if it was a muslim screaming about infidels and was throwing shit at people, when that person inevitably got charged as a terrorist, would you be defending their mental health?
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Not if you're a minority that woman is a racist.
 
Free of charge summary :

White person doing something bad => mentally ill.

Person of color doing something bad => criminal or guilty until proven innocent.

Middle ground : whynotboth.gif
 
Neverforget said:
Free of charge summary :

White person doing something bad => mentally ill.

Person of color doing something bad => criminal or guilty until proven innocent.

Middle ground : whynotboth.gif
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That's your conclusion. A perfectly dumb one but that's the time we live in.
Nobody here is saying racism is okay. Nobody here says white racists are mentlly ill and they can't help it. We're just discussing this woman who is clearly fucking mental.

She's also probably racist. Sure. And that needs to go away.
 
Kyzer said:
If she had a gun and shot everyone while screaming sand niggers would you guys still feel the need to talk about her potential mental health (which you experts are diagnosing from a short YouTube video lol)? What if it was a black person yelling cracker? What about if it was a muslim screaming about infidels and was throwing shit at people, when that person inevitably got charged as a terrorist, would you be defending their mental health?
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We go on a case-by-case basis, and try not to have a "one size fits all" reaction?

Majority of the time "lol mental health..." is probably right, but sometimes we see something that might not be so simple and has a bunch of other shit we need to be aware of attached to it.
 
Kyzer said:
If she had a gun and shot everyone while screaming sand niggers would you guys still feel the need to talk about her potential mental health (which you experts are diagnosing from a short YouTube video lol)? What if it was a black person yelling cracker? What about if it was a muslim screaming about infidels and was throwing shit at people, when that person inevitably got charged as a terrorist, would you be defending their mental health?
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Situation 1: No
Situation 2: Yes
Situation 3: Yes
 
No one can say whether or not she definitely has mental issues because she hasn't been diagnosed, as far as we know. She could be drunk, strung out, really stupid, or having just "one bad day." All of these are equivalent hypotheticals.

So why default to the one that gives her the most leverage and turn an issue that's definitely about the victimization of minorities into one that may or may not be about sympathy for hypothetically mentally ill white people? Why does no one ever argue any of the others? Is it because "She probably had a hard day at work and just snapped, so give her a mulligan" doesn't sound as empathetic?
 
Nepenthe said:
No one can say whether or not she definitely has mental issues because she hasn't been diagnosed, as far as we know. She could be drunk, strung out, really stupid, or having just "one bad day." All of these are equivalent hypotheticals.

So why default to the one that gives her the most leverage and turn an issue that's definitely about the victimization of minorities into one that may or may not be about sympathy for hypothetically mentally ill white people? Why does no one ever argue any of the others? Is it because "She probably had a hard day at work and just snapped, so give her a mulligan" doesn't sound as empathetic?
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because of context.

from the video description

For Context:
1. The lady was screaming for a while before I started filming, guards and managers nicely asking her to leave.
2. Multiple store employees were on hold with the police for about ten minutes prior to the start of the video
3. The guard only stepped in physically when she started grabbing heavier objects to throw at customers. He withstood being sworn at, threatened, and spat on without protest.
4. Yes it took the guard a while to cuff her. That's because he was trying hard not to hurt her. It was easier to tell while there, but he was easily strong enough to crush her into the ground and subdue her, but he didn't want to risk an injury.
5. Yes, no one helped, but several people offered. Management continually refused, it seemed to be against policy.
6. I don't think the lady was on drugs, but if she was, she was also mentally ill. She talked a lot about terrorists keeping prisoners in a 'Flesh Cave' down in the basement prior to the video.
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nobody is defending her actions. Nobody has said what she did was in any way acceptable. It's not a zero-sum game.
 
She could have been even more obviously mentally ill, she could have killed people. Then the mental health argument would be even more pertinent and yet even less relevant.
 
Always-honest said:
That's your conclusion. A perfectly dumb one but that's the time we live in.
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Thanks for being rational here AH, this is a horrible conversation to have on gaf because people are so fucking primed to jump on defenders of racism.

I get why, but I also know how much we need to work to raise awareness of mental health issues. It's a really shaky ground, especially when so many use the 'mental health' defense so often and so loosely.
 
D4Danger said:
because of context.

from the video description
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Context says she could be really fucking stupid and sheltered for believing in alt-right conspiracy stuff and, for whatever reason, got triggered at the store and finally just let it out. We won't know for sure what's what with her until she either gets seen by a mental health professional or someone in her social circle explains it to the world.
 
Always-honest said:
That's your conclusion. A perfectly dumb one but that's the time we live in.
Nobody hete is saying racism is okay. Nobody here says white racists are mentlly ill and they can't help it. We're just discussing this woman who is clearly fucking mental.
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Oh really? It's clearly a mental illness?!

I'm sorry I'm not playing Dr Freud and deciding people are mentally ill when they are just being shitty by watching a 3mn video, all I see is a racist who is acting up because she can, not the first thread we had about people like her and unfortunately not the last.

However I have been here long enough to notice the pattern of mental illness used as an excuse to absolutely everything if of course it's a white person mistreating a minority.
 
Here's the thing

People who have mental breakdowns don't just throw racial slurs about. Like, that's not how mental illness works.

She's either a racist or a mentally ill racist.
 
Can one of you mental health experts tell me which disorder it is that forces you to yell racist slurs I always forget the name
 
Neverforget said:
Oh really? It's clearly a mental illness?!

I'm sorry I'm not playing Dr Freud and deciding people are mentally ill when they are just being shitty by watching a 3mn video, all I see is a racist who is acting up because she can, not the first thread we had about people like her and unfortunately not the last.

However I have been here long enough to notice the pattern of mental illness used as an excuse to absolutely everything if of course it's a white person mistreating a minority.
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We've seen plenty of racist fucks in videos, yes. Ignorant aggressive dumb people who need to go away. She's probably one of those. But you don't have to be a doctor to see she is mentally very very ubstable.
Both problems need to be adressed. Her own problems as well as her racism.
 
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