Can't take opinions like yours seriously unless you're willing to die to ensure the end of the Kim regime.
If you are, god help us.
North Korea launches missile that passes over Japan
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Can't take opinions like yours seriously unless you're willing to die to ensure the end of the Kim regime.
If you are, god help us.
superdeluxe
Member
This is clear provocation and escalation and if Japan wanted to retaliate they are well within their grounds to do so.
I just hope they don't
I just hope they don't
Unknown One
Member
It's like somebody shooting a bullet a few inches from your head as a test. A person with a bad aim track record. Would you not panic and fear for your life? Think about that, people who think this is "nothing".
What you quoted before does not in any way suggest anyone believes NK will start a war. They explicitly cite instances where a regime was attacked and replaced as a way to show deterrence is the likely goal. Inevitable war is the result if NK has no ability to kill other people.
The article does not support your position.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The only reason China is interested in NK, is to avoid having US miliatry bases just a few Km of their borders.
USA should pull off any military pressence in SK soil and China won't have any reason to keep such a nuissance afloat.
SDCowboy
Member
As already mentioned, this flew hundreds of miles above Japan. It's still not ok at all, but it's also not like they buzzed Japan.
Er.....what?!
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Oh...shit.
The U.S abandoning its allies surely won't have drastic consequences all over the world.
Yo dude, respect & pointing out grandstanding are not mutually exclusive. Dick waving can be dangerous.
Where is your proof for the claim that the guy is "insane"? Playbook so far is very rational for a dictator.
He is not a religious fanatic bent on martyrdom.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Yeah but behaving like a poorly trained cop in this situation has FAR worse consequences because you're not dealing at the scale of just one person vs one person. You can't compare the two although I do get you're trying to empathize with people who just read a missile strike warning in Japan.
But when it comes to measuring the next step, you have to look at the whole scenario. The more level headed the better.
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NYCmetsfan
Banned
If a bullet is 300miles above your head its a bit different than a few inches
Relaxed Muscle
Member
If China cuts any help to NK, they are fucked, they will be alone. If NK regime goes down, what reason does USA have to keep military presence in SK?
North Korea are not Nazis, and that's not what the Nazis showed. North Korea doesn't seem to be run by madmen; their end goal is pretty obvious and all of the moves they've been making are consistent with this end goal.
Jezbollah
Member
NOTAMs have been in force on an ongoing basis for a few years now for aircraft not needing to require North Korean airspace. It's not by choice, it's by actual restrictions.
Those same restrictions were in place for the KAL incident - however for some reason the crew didnt set the correct autopilot setting and they went into Soviet prohibited airspace. It's unlikely that incident will ever happen again.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
The article builds a case that the Kim Jong Un regime is unlike the previous two and that his goals and ambitions are unclear. What is known is that he wants to beef up his military. The hanging weight at the end of the article is on what he intends to do when he has it. It's clearly leading a premise that a NK first strike is not off the table. It's like you stopped reading halfway through.
Captin Quacker
Member
It real bold tho
And i don't even wanna think about if the missile had a malfunction
The Nazis didn't have nukes in 1939, nor did the Soviets. MAD isn't a credible deterence when only conventional weapons are part of the equation.
SDCowboy
Member
It would actually be nice to start hearing more outcry from other countries outside of the US, SK and Japan.
Yeah its pretty annoying. Im in south korea, living at a potential first target and stress isnt even the word.
Ability to project power against China and the NK that would still exist in some form.
NK was already a MAD scenario before they had nukes because of Seoul's location relative to DMZ.
SDCowboy
Member
It is risky, but it's still just calculated dick waving. It will make a lot of headlines (which is likely the point), nothing will happen, and life goes on.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Didn't expect to wake up on my birthday to (another) international crisis.
Fuck off North Korea and know your goddamn place and back off with this shit.
A special FUCK YOU to the Trump supporters out there who elected the weakest stupidest most childish president in history to enable these psychopaths more than usual.
Fuck off North Korea and know your goddamn place and back off with this shit.
A special FUCK YOU to the Trump supporters out there who elected the weakest stupidest most childish president in history to enable these psychopaths more than usual.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
If NK still exist in that scenario, will be, as much, a shell of what's now.
And what kind of "power" needs USA to project against China? This is not the Cold War...
Lil'DigiOp
Member
So what does an armchair general do?
I really dont fuck with you shooting any type of anything over ally country. That shit ends now.
Sink your shit in the sea all day, nothing near any country. I feel like you have to respond to show that it will not be tolerated, how many statements have been made and shit continues?
I really dont fuck with you shooting any type of anything over ally country. That shit ends now.
Sink your shit in the sea all day, nothing near any country. I feel like you have to respond to show that it will not be tolerated, how many statements have been made and shit continues?
I think you're missing what an analogy is.
Anyway, any guesses as to how/when Trump will react to this publicly?
I didn't though. The fact you quoted what you did in an attempt to prove your point shows you aren't interpreting what's being written properly. The article is about the changing assumptions about the regime's desire for nuclear weapons and how that fits into their strategy of deference and self preservation. That's it.
If there are no explosives the effect would be pretty minimal.
https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/902286999855476736
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/hwasong-12/
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/hwasong-12/
This range is enough to get to Guam
hydragonwarrior
Member
I think his analogy is still apt though. It's a fucking terrifying feeling. But I think the reaction held by government and military officials who decide the next step should be different (after their initial shock has passed as well).
The South China Sea? Building massive military bases to take control of the sea? Provoking Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, SK pretty much everyone around them?
Say something to scare the fuck out of us.
SDCowboy
Member
It was a horrible analogy.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
The famine is over, I think. Ended last year.
I didn't say NK was like the Nazis. I just used the Nazis as an example of a group of people that ultimately had no sense of self-preservation. Who is to say Kim won't use his nuclear weapons as a final act before his regime crumbles due to complete economic collapse?
Captin Quacker
Member
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Another golf trip probably.
America effectively has no president and every government understands that, including NK
Scurry shit
Whether you like it or not, nations like to have control over their energy supply, strategically important trade routes and ultimately resources. From this perspective it doesn't have to be a cold war for the US or China or any other major power to maneuver in ways to make sure they can sustain and potentially grow their economic power and influence. The worst situation is assumed to be the default in geopolitics. China would not sit still if the US wasn't in NK. This is why what you advocate is not a realistic appraisal of the geopolitical situation.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
And that what their intentions for using the weapons are unclear. Hence the possibility that they will, you know, use them.