US hasn't been at 3 since 9/11 and hasn't been at 2 since the Gulf war kicked off.
If there is any level the US is at right now it's probably 4, during which it's simply increasing intelligence gathering and taking extra security measures.
North Korea launches missile that passes over Japan
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US hasn't been at 3 since 9/11 and hasn't been at 2 since the Gulf war kicked off.
If there is any level the US is at right now it's probably 4, during which it's simply increasing intelligence gathering and taking extra security measures.
Hitler was willing to lose the war to attain his goal of destroying the European Jewry. He wasted precious resources on his genocide that could have served the war effort. And the Nazis didn't end the war when defeat became inevitable (as a responsible leadership would have) but instead allowed Germany to be destroyed (and actually helped with the destruction). At its core, Nazism was a religion of death.
South doesn't entirely want it either, except for the obvious humanitarian reasons. Their economy would take a massive hit.
yeah cause the Iraq war turned out just wonderfully
No one takes that at face value, no.
Obsolescence? What does that even mean? They don't care. They run a country and the want to keep running it. That's all.
Stone Ocean
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The world takes it seriously, which is why we avoid military action.
Maiden Voyage
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Kim Jong Un hasn't been in power for decades. He's not his father nor his grandfather.
They are threatening a military retaliation against outsiders trying to oust Kim Jong Un.
Coriolanus
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
Maiden Voyage
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It's the same motives of an absolute monarchy with an inner circle that wants to hold status quo.
Would you like that missile to fly over NK and land in Russia or China?
Neither would like a US missile anywhere near them...
DEFCON 2 is reserved for an imminent war. That's unlikely.
The South doesn't even want unification.
On television. Theirs more then the internetThey are?
No it isn't. This has happened before in '98 and '09. The only use of DEFCON 2 was as a weird technicality to prepare for the 1st gulf war and during the Cuban missile crisis.
There doesn't seem to be any published records of when DEFCON 4 has been reached, which probably indicates that it is more common and used more regularly, so that might be possible, but I'd still doubt it.
superdeluxe
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On the economy? Sure, but I would think with Japan/US help SK could rebound from that. I'm trying to think of a scenario where it works
How opposed would SK/Japan be if China put someone in power and NK were basically a dependent on them
Maiden Voyage
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And his strategy has been different. We don't yet know how he plans to stay in power.
We know attacking is almost certainly not one of them because he would nearly instantly die.
Maiden Voyage
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News reports happen live. They can't exactly talk about all the news all at once.
Again. I disagree. I don't think it's implausible to imagine a scenario where NK is in it's last throws and Kim decides to launch a missile at the US.
Drop it in the yellow sea, North Korea is not a landlocked country, it has two coasts. Alternatively just let it loop round and drop it in the ocean. Guided missiles are a thing afaik. Or you can just fly the bomber planes instead. There's many different ways to play tit for tat
"Last throes" is exactly what this strategy is preventing.
Coriolanus
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we also know that he went to great lengths to make sure that he can't be easily replaced by a more amenable kim.
And he'd do that because....?
I mean, the dude has been in power for about half a decade now and shown pretty much no signs of being an irrational actor, so i'm trying to understand where your position is coming from.
Maiden Voyage
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Their economy seems to be pushing them the opposite way.
The youth generation of SK has pretty much given up on reunification. Only 46% of the 20 year olds deem reunification necessary.
It is quite sad to say so, but the split of the Korean peninsula is in the best interests of all major powers: none of them (US, China and Russia) would like to face the uncertainties of Korean reunification.
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Beat EviLore at pool.
They are but there is a huge hurricane that hit Texas is more important.
CNN broke in with the news. MSNBC covered it as well I believe.
But there's not much to be said other than what happened. It happened and it's over and there has been no official response from the US yet.
The biggest story in the country right now is Texas and there was some (more) Russia-related information that broke. What information is there about this missile launch that would make CNN and MSNBC cover it 24/7?
BudokaiMR2
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Yeah, nothing in Osaka for us at least. Just saw it on my feed.
hydragonwarrior
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I was reading up on this and it seemed like NK had already warned it was going to do it soon:
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...34718877/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
I'm guessing no one was thinking they would do it?
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...34718877/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
I'm guessing no one was thinking they would do it?
Exactly.
You just keep saying
1. Bad economy, food shortages
2. ....
3. Profit!
SDCowboy
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Again that serves zero purpose. NK knows if they every attack anyone, they're wiped off the planet, likely within an hour. We don't need to flex muscles to them.
they didnt even shoot it in the direction of Guam.
Smiles and Cries
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CNN is kinda stuck on Trump news
they do remind us that they have the only western reporter in North Korea every few hours though
NK is one of the most impoverished nations on Earth. Germany is still struggling to bring the former East Germany up to West German standards, after spending over a trillion dollars for the past 25 years. And that was with the wealthiest Communist country! The South saw the German experience and made clear it would be having none of that.
Maiden Voyage
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You realize poor economies and food shortages lead to unrest and turbulence, right? Or do we need to ignore those too?
Coriolanus
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you realize that NK has suffered from plenty of both those things numerous times over the decades, yes? Why should we assume that the latest bout will produce a different result?
Yerp. Is what happens when a country in a position of "strength" fucks around. Life goes on and stuff.
Brutal regimes with regular executions and horrifying death camps have managed that before. They aren't new at this. It's not about ignoring it, it's about recognizing it's far less a threat to his power than outside forces invading and removing him are.
Maiden Voyage
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So sanctions shouldn't work by your logic--because they've lived through them before.
I was shocked my newstationvat 5 , 530 and 6 didny mention it.
Fuxk Fox didnt either at 5. Seems crazy
Tangled Up in Blue
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China doesn't want millions of hungry refugees on their border clamoring to get in.
ThoseDeafMutes
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BMD = Ballistic Missile Defense
CRAM = Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar
The United States and Israel are leaders in these technologies.
SDCowboy
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There bigger issues currently going on, especially with the hurricane, than another weekly NK missile launch.
BudokaiMR2
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Although I don't think we need to be freaking out too much, the situation in 2009 was completely different. That one was a rocket supposedly carrying a satellite payload. The worry was that some debris might fall. Even the completely insane NK regime were saying that it was a satellite launch.
This is an aggressive test of a weaponized ICBM Years later when they may now have the ability to miniaturize a nuke. In 2009 they had just acquired weapons grade nuclear fuel if I remember correctly.
The goal of sanctions isn't to topple the regime. They don't appreciate them surely but again, not as much a threat as regime change.
A reminder wouldn't hurt. It could also appease all the bloodthirsty/scared people who are demanding war
A military attack would be a monumental overreaction whereas sabre-rattling or harsh criticism would be considerably more appropriate.
SDCowboy
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They very likely do not need to be reminded. All it would do is stupidly add to tensions.
Maiden Voyage
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And how does ignoring their threats lead to a regime change?