North Korea launches missile that passes over Japan

Madchad said:
Why is GAF so scared of everything? Videogame players seem to panic a lot.

Just GAF being GAF.
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Up until now it's down to the younger demographic not knowing any worse situations. The older folk here know what it was like living in the Cold War, and seeing how far worse things were escalated back then.

It wasnt fun growing up in the 1970s/early 80s when nuclear war was far more likely than it is now. Right now even with last night's Japan flyby, this is just posturing by NK.
 
Dan27 said:
Up until now it's down to the younger demographic not knowing any worse situations. The older folk here know what it was like living in the Cold War, and seeing how far worse things were escalated back then.

It wasnt fun growing up in the 1970s/early 80s when nuclear war was far more likely than it is now. Right now even with last night's Japan flyby, this is just posturing by NK.
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If North Korea was one of the major players in the cold war, the world may have just ended.

A flyby with an ICBM, yeah, definitely hide under your school desk material.

BudokaiMR2 said:
I just don't think it's a good idea to continually normalize these events, especially as their technology advances over the years. This is a first and trying to say otherwise ignores the implication of their possible miniaturized nukes and the increased capabilities of their missiles
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The idea of this being normalized is scary and it could happen.
ponpo said:
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These potentially deadly flybys could become normal.
 
SchrodingerC said:
It's more how NK is constantly testing missiles, particularly to seem threatening and belligerent. While yes a missile flying pass Japan should cause pass, this action is within NK's usual MO.
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Which includes torpedoing navy vessels and shelling residential districts with no cause.

I just don't think it's a good idea to continually normalize these events, especially as their technology advances over the years. This is a first and trying to say otherwise ignores the implication of their possible miniaturized nukes and the increased capabilities of their missiles
 
Uhyve said:
If North Korea was one of the major players in the cold war, the world may have just ended.

A flyby with an ICBM, yeah, definitely hide under your school desk material.



The idea of this being normalized is scary and it could happen.

These potentially deadly flybys could become normal.
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I'm very ignorant of current defense technologies, but i kind of thought US/Japanese military capability was easily within the realm of being able to shoot things like this down? Can they not just make these 'tests' pointless by repeatedly shooting down anything NK fires out?

Or would shooting down missiles escalate things further, and effectively make a war out of this? As it is, NK firing in Japan's direction seems like acts of war anyway...
 
gofreak said:
I'm very ignorant of current defense technologies, but i kind of thought US/Japanese military capability was easily within the realm of being able to shoot things like this down?
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They don't.

Well, they DID some ICBM interception tests, and a couple of them succeeded (I think it was 2/5 a couple months ago). They claim it was a real-case simulation, but we only have their promises (they've already did "missile interception" demonstrations with a homing beacon IN the targeted missile).

They're also well know for misinformation. Remember the Patriots against the scuds in 90-91:
- claimed during the war: 45 success out of 47 attacks, 95% success rate
- after the war: between 2% and 9% of success rate (1 to 4 success out of 47), depending on who you ask (Israel, USA) and the secretary of defense said in 2001 "The Patriots didn't work"

I really doubt you can even remotely reliabily take an ICBM down, let alone have them deployed and ready.
 
gofreak said:
I'm very ignorant of current defense technologies, but i kind of thought US/Japanese military capability was easily within the realm of being able to shoot things like this down? Can they not just make these 'tests' pointless by repeatedly shooting down anything NK fires out?

Or would shooting down missiles escalate things further, and effectively make a war out of this? As it is, NK firing in Japan's direction seems like acts of war anyway...
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I believe THAAD actually has a 100% shoot down rate (in tests). Thing is, if it ever misses, that only hurts our "anti-missile tech".

While the tech may be very good, it seems like it's less of an anti-missile program and more of a disincentive for North Korea starting shit.

MosquitoSmasher said:
Here a video of the alarm and alert

https://youtu.be/0Rv-7nkj1T8

I can understand panic starting when you wake up with that tbh.
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Good lord that's creepy. That's almost as bad as the Fallout style drills they run in England.

Edit:
BBC Coverage
Countries do not normally fire missiles across the territories of their neighbours.
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Lol, yeah, lil weird.
 
Be kind of hard to fire a ballistic missile significantly beyond the territorial waters of NK without overflying one of their neighbors. Check the map, folks.
 
Dan27 said:
Up until now it's down to the younger demographic not knowing any worse situations. The older folk here know what it was like living in the Cold War, and seeing how far worse things were escalated back then.

It wasnt fun growing up in the 1970s/early 80s when nuclear war was far more likely than it is now. Right now even with last night's Japan flyby, this is just posturing by NK.
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Oh good, it's time for condescending bullshit to come out from old-timers.

While there were some crazy close calls in the cold war it was also in the end a bunch of proxy wars and posturing which in the end directly affected the general populace very little.

Not like our generation also saw one of the most devastating attacks on American soil since Pearl Harbor(arguably much worse because it was 100% a civilian target). Considering the scale of the attack there is a good chance that people on this board lost someone in that attack.

Or the fact that people in Asia sat on the edge of the seat while cooler heads luckily prevailed when NK shelled residential districts with artillery or sank a navy vessel killing dozens. Were those events just posturing or hostilities that could have easily lit the powder keg that is an uneasy ceasefire between two heavily militarized nations?

I'm not trying to shout doom and gloom but coming in here and taking a condescending bullshit attitude isn't helping anyone and just makes you look childish.
 
Ovek said:
Regardless of all the UN trade embargos other countries still trade with NK. That and I'm sure NK has stock piled the materials to build and fuel new rockets for a long ass time.

Also with a rocket flying over a US ally why pray tell did they not use the THAAD defence missile network? Is it because it doesn't work, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it doesn't work.
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Thaad has maximum intercept range is 200 km (125 miles) for a target at 150 km (93 miles) altitude.

The missile was nowhere near that close.

BudokaiMR2 said:
Or the fact that people in Asia sat on the edge of the seat while cooler heads luckily prevailed when NK shelled residential districts with artillery or sank a navy vessel killing dozens. Were those events just posturing or hostilities that could have easily lit the powder keg that is an uneasy ceasefire between two heavily militarized nations?
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miiite wanna look into the particulars of both of those events.
 
Koren said:
Officially, and they were not designed to act against ICBM, so even if it's true, it has little to do with the current threat...
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Yeah, THAAD was apparently designed to take down short, medium, and intermediate range ballistic missiles, though Lockheed Martin are totes confident in it's anti-ICBM abilities. And you know you can always Lockheed Martin..... Ehh.

Coxy100 said:
Blimey - are these a hangover from WW2? I mean we used to have these in the UK but I presume they're all gone now?
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Up in Huddersfield we still test them once a month I think. Toned down volume, but send a chill down my spine whenever I hear them.

Edit: Gonna move this edit down here, it's interesting I think.

BBC Coverage

TLDR
The 'BBC guy with the cute family' (Professor of Political Science at Busan National University) says that NK is emboldened due to being a nuclear power, nobody wants to formally acknowledge it but there's nothing we can do about their new found power. Some sort of reaction to the US/SK military drills is always expected and they know that they won't be punished due to their new position [I assume he's referring to the launch over Japan]. He thinks that the nuclear program would be much further along if we didn't have sanctions in place, and that we should push those more. But that there isn't a huge amount of options for us.

He framed the launch as a way to terrorise Japanese civilians. He suggests that there will be a pressure for a THAAD installation in Japan. And that there will be an arms race between missile development in NK and missile defense with US allies.

Also that there is essentially no chance of a political route to NK reducing their nuclear armaments, though maybe there could be some small concessions.

My personal input, that tweet was right, we're looking at the new norm. Get used to these threads.
 
Uhyve said:
He framed the launch as a way to terrorise the Japanese. He suggests that there will be a pressure for a THAAD installation in Japan. And that there is essentially no chance of a political route to NK reducing their nuclear armaments.
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"hey, yknow that thing that deffo makes any player understand that there's no way in hell that someone could try to take your regime out without having to personally pay a massive human cost? could you please get rid of it?"
 
Coriolanus said:
Thaad has maximum intercept range is 200 km (125 miles) for a target at 150 km (93 miles) altitude.

The missile was nowhere near that close.


miiite wanna look into the particulars of both of those events.
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I was living in Japan when both happened. The shelling of the residential district on the island was in response to NK drills shooting shells at empty water. A few military personel were killed along with a few civilians and more injuries.

And for the second event, last time I checked overwhelming evidence pointed to a NK submarine was the cause of the sinking. The area has always been tense with other ships being sunk but in every instance it was NK who fired first. There was doubt at first but I was under the impression that the final investigations were fairly conclusive.

Am I missing anything? Feel free to enlighten me if I am missing something.
 
Coxy100 said:
Blimey - are these a hangover from WW2? I mean we used to have these in the UK but I presume they're all gone now?
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Sirens are pretty much commonplace in usage throughout quite a few European countries too which spooks a lot of tourists when they are tested. In Germany we still use them often for civil purposes like for alerting volunteer fire brigades, there are different type of sirens for different situations.

This is the one most people visiting Germany will experience though both in testing and actual use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChsD6vY8JYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSGFrTpmCoc
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
I was living in Japan when both happened. The shelling of the residential district on the island was in response to NK drills shooting shells at empty water. A few military personel were killed along with a few civilians and more injuries.

And for the second event, last time I checked overwhelming evidence pointed to a NK submarine was the cause of the sinking. The area has always been tense with other ships being sunk but in every instance it was NK who fired first. There was doubt at first but I was under the impression that the final investigations were fairly conclusive.

Am I missing anything? Feel free to enlighten me if I am missing something.
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As far as the ROKS sinking goes, a thing to keep in mind is this
On the night of the sinking the U.S. and South Korea navies were engaged in joint anti-submarine warfare exercises 75 miles (121 km) away.[18][19][20] This exercise was part of the annual Key Resolve/Foal Eagle war exercise, described as "one of the world's largest simulated exercises", and involved many modern U.S. and South Korean warships.[21][22]
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read: US and SK dickwaved. If NK did it, it did so by dickwaving right back. I say "if" because it isn't like NK to deny that they do that kinda shit aaand also because even in SK that stuff is contested.. The "overwhelming" at the top of the wikipedia article... isn't.

As for the shelling of Yeonpyeong, as you wrote, it happened in response to the shelling by SK. SK dickwaved, NK dickwaved right back. SK dickwaved harder. NK dickwaved harderer. SK dickwaved harderest. Hostilities ended.

My point here is that, had cooler heads prevailed, US+SK dickwaving wouldn't have happened in the first place, precisely because they know they're dealing with a violent prick that's prone to dickwave right back at the slightest provocation.
 
Coxy100 said:
Blimey - are these a hangover from WW2? I mean we used to have these in the UK but I presume they're all gone now?
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Japan has lots of weather related risks to contend with such as typhoons flood landslides earthquakes tsunamis and other things such as yokai and tanooki zombies. The megaphone speakers you see in japanese neighborhoods are also used for other notifications and public announcements such as if monkeys, boars or bears are roaming the streets, or if there is a lost grandparent. They also have cool going home music at 5pm to let you know that the day is done
 
hobblygobbly said:
Sirens are pretty much commonplace in usage throughout quite a few European countries too which spooks a lot of tourists when they are tested, in Germany we still use them often for civil purposes like for alerting volunteer fire brigades, there are different type of sirens for different situations.
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To add to that, we have actually seen a rise in these kind of installations (German language link). After the Cold War ended, many got torn down until the entire network shut down twenty years ago, but nowadays they seem to have gone back into active use.

Partially, because we are utter imbeciles that can't get the smartphone carriers/ manufacturers to create a reliable and cross platform emergency messaging system and have like three separate apps to maybe possibly display warnings if the net coverage is good and the planets align correctly. Derp.

Partially because we still have some remaining installations and want to put them to good use by means of costly modernisations that are not at all subsidiaries for German tech companies (and often halfway funded through tax deductible donations of local businesses).

Partially because there's still too many people that simply don't look at their smartphones all that often - a blaring siren is an unmistakable and nearly unmissable signal that something is afoot. Unless you live in a modern house behind highly insulated windows which have been shown to perfectly swallow most of the noise.

So yeah. Come to Germany and laugh at our hamfisted ways of handling catastrophic events.
 
Coriolanus said:
As far as the ROKS sinking goes, a thing to keep in mind is this

read: US and SK dickwaved. If NK did it, it did so by dickwaving right back. I say "if" because it isn't like NK to deny that they do that kinda shit aaand also because even in SK that stuff is contested.. The "overwhelming" at the top of the wikipedia article... isn't.

As for the shelling of Yeonpyeong, as you wrote, it happened in response to the shelling by SK. SK dickwaved, NK dickwaved right back. SK dickwaved harder. NK dickwaved harderer. SK dickwaved harderest. Hostilities ended.

My point here is that, had cooler heads prevailed, US+SK dickwaving wouldn't have happened in the first place, precisely because they know they're dealing with a violent prick that's prone to dickwave right back at the slightest provocation.
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Contested by Russia and China and North Korea. What's the common thread between those countries? Sorry but that doesn't hold much weight with me, especially since Russia did not release any of their findings even to the SK government that allowed them access to the wreckage in the first place. Their excuse for not doing so was to not destabilize the area any more. Pretty fucking ironic from a country that seems to specialize in doing just that in various theaters around the world. But sure, go ahead and buy into what could easily be Russian propaganda.

A defector (cabinet member) from NK also stated that the crew who attacked the Cheonan were honored and awarded medals.

There are a lot of questions but I am gonna put more stock in the joint investigation that released their findings over Russian investigation that to this day hides the details of their findings.

I'm don't even want to address your dickwaving comments because they are childish and show no real understanding of the geopolitical realities of the area. Do you want the international community to recognize a country that puts its own citizens in concentration camps? Just sit back and do nothing? What's the endgame in your head?

I'm not for any outright attack, but those 'dick-waving' contests are actually important to keep readiness up in case something does go down.
 
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